At this point, what is making League Lore stand out from other franchises? Seems generic

Darrosh Jewfist·3/14/2015, 5:17:32 PM·83 votes·8,416 views

If Riot can't solve this, their lore will always be sixth-rate.

Any amateur fantasy writer can spend days building up a fantastic world with culture, magic systems, and etc. all based off some real life example and with Riot's artists they have no problem SHOWING us how awesome it is. They can quickly worldbuild rather easily if they have a vision.

And somehow, Riot is behind in this department.

But making memorable characters, stories, and etc that is more than just looking nice? The recent champs really dropped the ball on this.

Honestly, the most popular champs are just the ones played at LCS, have nice splashart, or people's personal preferences. I can't imagine someone actually going "yeah, I love Kalista/Bard/Rek'Sai because they got great lore and personality behind them" or "Nasus' Shurima narration video really had me thinking he's a great character."

It feels generic.

That's bad.

;_; what do?

151 Comments

Criomhthann3/14/2015, 6:01:19 PM24 votes

What lore?

DJ Hatsune Miku3/14/2015, 8:39:17 PM21 votes

Honestly, nothing. League's lore and emphasis on just having this generic fantasy world is, from a writer's perspective, one of the dumbest things that has ever happened to this game. League had this great thematic hook with the Institute of War and all these city state interactions and summoners and it was unique, it was interesting, it's what the damn game is named after! At this point League should just be called, "Fantasy Fighters" because that's really what it is.

The fact that they scrapped years worth of lore because, "It was limiting" is total bullshit imo. Having a theme that's present in your entire world and dictates how things happen is not stifling, it's an enabler. The fact that the Institute was this political gladiatorial arena was so damn awesome and it still allowed a great number of interactions. There is literally no champion released to date that wouldn't have fit within the old lore and the "Shurima update" for Azir would have worked just fine in the old lore.

Not to mention having this central thing working to preserve balance and keep another war from ravaging this world was great and could have opened up a lot of interesting dynamics between players. People like to poke at the idea that Kat and Garen are interested in one another or have this secret relationship going since one is Noxian and the other is Demacian and they're mortal enemies. But guess what, that simply cannot exist anymore in the new lore. Kat and Garen would never meet each other outside of a battle that would end in one of their deaths.

Same goes for Twisted Fate and Eve. Instead of constructing an interesting and engaging world with real characters in it.. They're going for fantasy tropes in a generic world that supports nothing but one of lores that are there only to make a champion seem cool so that people buy them.

And on another note, why are they even called champions anymore? They don't champion anything because there's nothing TO champion! They're just named characters in a story that.. Honestly no one would read if it was in any other form.

As a long time creative writer, the new lore is just a shadow of its former self and it's probably one of the lamest things they've ever done short of trashing the journal of justice. The League judgements gave us insight into these characters, the Journals let us see what goes on outside of the rift. Now all we have is a 2 minute animation about Bard doing honestly nothing besides make pretty lights show up. It's bad story telling and bad writing.

Can you imagine what Orianna's lore would be like if she was released today? It'd be a damn trainwreck. "Some girl gets killed by -insert generic thing that's not tied to anything here- and her dad goes mad and makes a robot that's, for some reason, a killing machine." It wouldn't make a lick of sense.

I honestly wish I could spend a few months with Riot's Lore Team and just see what these professional level writers are even thinking, because as it stands I feel like these people have just accepted that they aren't a team but a group of writers that want to make their own separate things and to make all these whacky and sellable characters something had to give. It's just frustrating to watch lore and stories I loved drift away into just memories. The day Sona doesn't say, "Only you can hear me Summoner" is probably the day I quit league.

mirAcIe3/14/2015, 7:52:00 PM20 votes

Lore development is very very slow. Sorry for the straightforward criticism, but I feel like Riot develops relatively small lore pieces that help us to build a bigger picture at the same rate as other game developers build the whole games. And then Rito easily scraps the former work and rewrites history just like that. I know that change is good, but it kinda breaks my heart to see old things just being... erased for the sake of newer, "better" ones. Can't we just build new lore on top of the old one and not tear the old lore down completely? Sure newer players won't care, but if you've been around since 2010, that's just... sad.

Iceborn Pippin3/14/2015, 8:20:32 PM15 votes

You know what is facepalm worthy? RIOT getting rid of the Journal of Justice which was a source of organic storytelling. It was what allowed for Swain to be in the position he is in today, Leader of Noxus. Without the JoJ, swain would never be the face of Noxus like he is today UNLESS RIOT RETCONNED IT.

You know what is facepalm worthy? RIOT changing Skarner 's lore so he is just some crystal scorpion in the Shurima Desert that is quiet territorial. When what would been easier to do is simply EXPAND HIS LORE so that Skarner went to the Shurima Desert only to discover that more of his kind lived there, unprotected, and which is why he is so territorial now and is in the Shurima Desert.

Because they don't wish to really expand the lore unless a new champion is released, it doesn't come across as organic storytelling. Because the characters lack true drive or growth they come across as stilted.

Its already been FIVE YEARS since the game was released all the way back in October 27 of 2009. I expected the characters and their stories to continue growing, not stagnate into cliches and cardboard cutouts whose stories are only plot hooks and cliff hangers.

Nagirah3/15/2015, 7:08:38 AM14 votes

It's stupid that they removed IoW, because it was "limiting", but now that it's gone, lore is even more shorter and limited than ever before. What's the point of removing all the lore if you're too lazy to even replace it?

Iceborn Pippin3/15/2015, 7:09:30 AM13 votes

Here is also a problem that Bard introduces. Since the IoW no longer exists, pray tell how did Bard prevent the ongoing war such as when both Demacian and Noxian were fighting over Kalamanda?

For Bard to prevent both sides to going to war, he would have to be a mediator between the two. For Bard to prevent both sides from going to war he would have had to stop them early on to stop larger ramifications that would be caused by the war that led to the events of Kalamanda/Dominion. Yet there is a problem with that as well. For Bard to be a mediator he would have to be involved in the political affairs of mortals. Yet his lore states he isn't involved in the political affair of mortals.

Well that couldn't have been Bard's work. Zilean and several summoners were the ones who created a giant stasis bubble over Kalamanda. Yet since the league was retconned out of existence along with Summoners, Zilean was the one who made a giant stasis bubble over Kalamanda. Yet that would mean Zilean is more on par with Bard who is able to also create a giant stasis bubble (in-game).

Yet then the question becomes why did Zilean do it. He would have to had assistance or been informed by someone. Bard cannot speak to Zilean for Bard speaks in musical notes and Bard's message would fall flat on its face. Yet for Bard to interact with Zilean at all means that he is involved in the affairs of Mortals.

Then the question becomes why is there a Dominion Map? Who made it so in-lore it was used as another Battle Arena for the champions to duke it out. Why do the champions even duke it out on Summoner's Rift or Howling Abyss or Twisted Treeline?

Since the League and IoW does not exist, why are they called Champions? Whose cause are they championing. Shouldn't that also mean the game is just renamed to L for LEGENDS as the League does not exist?

By also retconning with Bard instead of keeping IoW they got rid of Skarner 's entire race that was hibernating at Kalamanda as they also retconned Skarner's lore as it now just Crystal Monster in the Shurima Desert.

Why couldn't we have both Bard and the Institue of War? Bard cares simply about Artifacts and Natural Disasters, the Institute of War cares about Politics and Warfare.

TLDR: Bard instead of IoW causes a domino effect of plot holes which only create more questions than answers. Which then further prove that they should not have taken away the League or the IoW to begin. As the incompetence becomes apparent.

TwitchInMyPants3/15/2015, 2:29:46 AM12 votes

I miss S2 just for the Journal of Justice. It was so fun to read and really the great storytelling on top of the engaging gameplay is what hooked me in the first place. Literally only reason I still play LoL is that my friends cannot play HotS yet and they dislike Smite. Frankly even though those games aren't about lore the latter actually feels like a lively environment due to all the character interactions in both real world context and in-game dialogue. The lore matches what the gods are capable of in game and it breaths out as you play. And that's just a generic arena lore that wasn't close to what S2's lore was like, that shit was exciting.

Like the Ionia vs Noxus match was a really fun one, though I feel like it was handled poorly. It was literally one match that wasn't even really shoutcasted much since Phreak was answering lore questions instead of commenting on the gameplay. It didn't retain views as long as a normal competitive game would just because of the sloppy handling. If there was like a collective of summoners brought in to represent certain nations and it was played out as a series, that would be almost as hype as LCS. Thing is Udyr rushing the most broken build in the game after misplays from Noxus' side was the only thing that decided Lucidity boots to be branded as Ionian. That was probably the sloppiest way that match could've been done.

Honestly I've been hoping they'd try it again especially since they have experienced shoutcasters, but the lore team is basically dead. The people that work it now can make neat presentations once every 6 months but really it seems like they're just jotting notes down on what their headcanons or ideas on certain champs are and they're just erasing the artwork that's well loved by the community and replacing it with 3 lines of chicken scratched notes that are incoherrent. I don't understand how they do this shit over and over again and don't understand why we get pissed about it. They're deleting well established storyline that people like and they're smashing it in the smallest package they can, leaving a smooshed mess that no one likes.

TonyTonyMordecai3/14/2015, 6:52:21 PM10 votes

To be honest, (and I'm expecting downvotes) but I honestly DO want to see some sort of ties inbetween characters or the history behind them, to give a better back story when you want to make fan art or fan fiction, but... In the end... I really don't care. I want to get into the game, and if the lore says "Bard is from a different cosmic dimension" then that explains to me that he is some sort of divine/dimensional being that words or stories can't simply describe. I would rather have the short and sweet lore that gets to the point as opposed to the super long stories that didn't explain much at all, and left me wondering why I bothered wasting five minutes on the whole life story of Ezreal when all I needed to know was that he's an explorer with a magical wristguard?

KING OF MASKS3/14/2015, 8:15:19 PM10 votes

To answer the question of this thread: probably the fact that League's lore is effectively nonexistent. That's pretty damn unique, if I say so myself!

Strawberrycocoa3/15/2015, 12:46:27 AM9 votes

This thread makes me miss all the conversational interactions between Shapers in Dawngate. Sometimes I would pick Desecrator when an ally took Mikella just to hear him taunt her about her father and her privileged upbringing.

Ben693/14/2015, 11:23:45 PM2 votes

Basically, they don't care. Riot is all about the competitive scene now. I think it's a pretty small minority that cares about lore anyways, I mean that stuff is pretty cool, but I'd rather have a well balanced fun game, than some cool stories behind the champs.