I think I would prefer a map over another ambiguous champion cinematic. I mean, how can I feel engaged in the world if I don't know where things are? Is Valoran even still called Valoran? Did that get retconned too?
;_;
Is a map too much to ask for? Even the worst amateur fantasy novels published online have a map...
TheSaltyScourge39 votesWho needs a map? 
Yash Gautam5 votesYou belong in a museum, map!
TBadger10 votesFucking love maps.
Ebonmaw Dragon17 votesI will leave this here: (Again)
[{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5TYn4jBP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-26T07:09:32.137+0000) Here is the new map of valoran:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/nyiwc3.jpg
TV Announcer: Are you tired of the same old Grand Runecanyon? Father [bored]: Well, here we are, kids. The Grand Runecanyon. Girl [annoyed]: It's so old and boring! I want a new one. NOW!! Riot: Hello. I'm Riot. The Lore Department has lost its credibility, so it's borrowing some of mine. Boy: Tousle my hair, Mr. Riot! Riot: Sure thing, son. [ruffles the boys hair with a touch of magic and chuckles] Now I am pleased to tell you about the new Grand Runecanyon. Coming this weekend, it's east of Noxus and west of Demacia! Summoner: That's where the Institute of War is!! Riot: It's nowhere near anything is or ever was. This is Riot saying if you're going to pick a game company to trust, why not this one?
Matezoide4 votes8,5/10 underrated post.
Didnt they complety change the Shadow Isles' location? Lol
Electro5221 votesActually, if you think of the old Runeterra map as a globe, the map we saw for the Harrowing matches the old Runeterra map, its just from a different point of view. Think of Freljord housing the north pole of the globe, then Bilgewater and The Shadow Iles curve in towards each other.
This would also make Ionia quite close to the Shadow Isles, so, I may not be completely correct, since the Harrowing map showed no sign of Ionia.
RiotBioluminescence13 votesI can offer you a partial map - specifically of the Shurima area. Sorry I don't have more for you.
(Standard disclaimer - I'm not on the narrative team, but I did get to design this map working with some of them, last year. (I really enjoyed it, as I'm a bit of a map nerd!))
RiotBioluminescence11 votesOh! And I'm a bit of a numpty - I forgot to also mention the Black Mists Harrowing map - though, it's more of a historical diagram than a map, specifically. I didn't work on that one.
Ptarlorr3 votesold map, not canon
junglerboy161 votesIt was just pre-retcon-announcement. As far as we know right now, the Freljord event was on the leading edge of the "New lore" and is considered the first officially cannon information that we have.
EvilMerodach2 votesOh! And I'm a bit of a numpty - I forgot to also mention the Black Mists Harrowing map - though, it's more of a historical diagram than a map, specifically. I didn't work on that one.
Kind of felt the Black Mist map was closer to a timeline than a map. Though it is still sorta mappy. (is that a word?...can I make it a word?)
Forgot about the Shurima notebook/letters thing. Felt like Riot took away more lore than they added when they added Azir/new Shurima stuff, but sorta forgot about the explorer guy and Rek'Sai promo stuff and whatnot. Things like that make me feel more connected to champions than cinematics. But cinematics are still pretty awesome. But also kinda feel Rek'Sai was the wrong place to add Shurima lore..as..she's kinda..non-personal? Without having an understandable language and definable personality other than 'i'm'a eat you!' Hard to invest time into learning her 'personality' when it's that. Feel like maybe adding stuff around Rek'Sai like..'How does Nasus feel about her invading his land?' Would get me more excited about reading it.
Or like with Bard, if I remember right, isn't going to speak, just make chime sounds in game (though, for different reasons than Rek'Sai,) so, how does Irelia/Karma/Varus feel about the charming (chiming..) star man returning? Do Kennen/Akali/Shen think this will help or hurt the Balance? Is Soraka in love, in awe, or ashamed in Bard's presence? As she used to be not too far off from the same sort of being as him, but she gave it up/was tricked out of it.
Tesla Effect5 votesOh! And I'm a bit of a numpty - I forgot to also mention the Black Mists Harrowing map - though, it's more of a historical diagram than a map, specifically. I didn't work on that one.
Dear Bioliminescence, care to explain all the details behind this map? Besides The Capital located in the center of the map, the other parts arent familiar to me at all. Can you say what locations are they representing?
Someone pieced together a more complete version of that map (would wish if you posted the original one for us wiki editors): http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150227214027/leagueoflegends/images/2/2e/Shurima_map.jpg
PS: These are the rest of the maps we got after the retcon that should be canon now. http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141106011552/leagueoflegends/images/2/2d/Black_Mist_Map.jpg http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140223094402/leagueoflegends/images/2/24/Freljord_Map.png http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121017224252/leagueoflegends/images/f/fd/Shadow_isles_concept.jpg
RiotBioluminescence13 votesI've sent an email off to see what I can get to post up here (I'm away from the office right now, and a bit new to this whole forum-posting thing at Riot). Hopefully I can get you a bit more for the wiki about the Shurima tablet, but it wasn't just me who worked on this and I don't want to go leaking stuff I shouldn't.
(Or rather, I DO want to, but I probably shouldn't!)
Tesla Effect2 votesI've sent an email off to see what I can get to post up here (I'm away from the office right now, and a bit new to this whole forum-posting thing at Riot). Hopefully I can get you a bit more for the wiki about the Shurima tablet, but it wasn't just me who worked on this and I don't want to go leaking stuff I shouldn't.
(Or rather, I DO want to, but I probably shouldn't!)
Thank you very much. Dont have any other ways to message the main peeps behind it all, so this really helps.
RiotBioluminescence10 votesHey, Tesla Effect (excellent name, btw).
So - I have crummy news and not-so-rubbish news. Crummy - I've been asked not to post a different version of the map. The hope is that we can hold it back for a future release where there should be more content to go along with it. So, the wiki image will have to wait for now.
Better news - I've been given the go ahead to talk about the map at least! I don't actually know what form that should take... so... I'm gonna think about it over night. Suggestions welcomed - maybe see if others on the boards have ideas too.
Maybe a really tiny Q&A, or a role-played thread of correspondence between Euneterran cartographers, or something else entirely. Suggestions really welcomed. I don't just want to do a full info dump wall o'text. :/
(Just in case people coming to this have no idea what I'm talking about - this is in regards to the Shuriman tablet map that was shown in the Rek'Sai teaser site.)
Darrosh Jewfist1 votesGreetings Merchant of Glowing Algae Matter,
I am a merchant from southern Freljord trying to find his way to Shurima. Where the heck is the capital? What's the name of the capital? Is there sand people there or a bunch of desert nomads? Are there even sedetary towns? Where's Rek'Sai and her horde of Xer'Sai relative to all this?
Sorry, I got a bit too close to Sin's toxin.
Praise be to Bard. We should play some Riotball sometime.
RiotBioluminescence11 votesFair tidings, Master Jewfist,
How far you seek to travel! I have some bad news for you in that such a thing as mighty as a 'capital' was wiped from knowledge of the Shuriman people, when the empire fell. A people is only so populous as life giving water is able to sustain - and the desert is broad and deep. Wells are rare and easily drained, so their cities are but hamlets and their villages frequently seasonal. Travel without a guide is for those who tire of life.
The 'Sai, is for the most part, completely uninhabited - there is no trade to be done there. It occupies the South of the desert 'empire' reaching from the endless mountain range, almost half way to where the city Shurima was (and they say, is again). Coming from the Freljord as you are, I would say that should you find yourself on a parallel with that place - venture no further South. It is weeks of the most hateful travel.
Sorry it is not happier news - there are still amazing prizes to be gathered for the courageous (and well prepared) merchant traveler in the stalls (and under the cloaks) of this brutal land. Why, I recently acquired a map that no-one seems to want to talk to me about (( ;) ))
With a plethora of thanks, Merchant of the Glowing-Life.
Decrit1 votesThe tired man enters the algae cartographer' s entourage. After dropping his runeforged void sword of infinite twerk looks at him straight in the eyes and asks...
What about the borders? I am not only talking about borders between factions - that probably will be rewritten totally - but also borders of the known world, sea too. Champions like Nami and Fizz home into the ocean from which we know nothing, and while that is partly ok ( the ocean is fascinating for that reasons ) we don' t know what the narrative team intends to do with those limits: will everything be discovered eventually? will be always left with a shade of mystery? and what about space, if there is any, since Bard existence opened some really interesting possibilities?
It' s a bit of a weird question, probably i did not even put it in the best terms... basically, what i am asking is if they have plans or decisions made for the large scale of the whole world. if they are interested on exposing them, obviously.
sits in silence, only disturbed by the sword movements
also, the sword thanks you for your time.
RiotBioluminescence9 votesThe cartographer seems both disturbed and fascinated by the swords movement. Long pauses are punctuated only be the sound of distant coughs from the neighboring rooms. It's getting awkward.
Sorry! What was that? Oh! Borders. Unfortunately, I don't have the answers you seek - I am a peculiarly specialized cartographer in that I've only ever had this one map. I probably shouldn't even call myself a cartographer! I...
That sword. What strange movements it makes...
Sorry again. Maps. Yes. No - I'm afraid I just don't know. I know there are other cartographers hard at work even now, working to create a... mmm... documentation, both written and drawn, of our macrocosm. Some things are already known, of course, but others do indeed remain a mystery. It is likely that this slow work will be shared with the greater scientific community in time.
I have no doubt, however, that some corners will remain a mystery - here be dragons, indeed - because once we know everything - what cause have we left to explore? Broad strokes; yes. Dotted "i"s and crossed "t"s; only patchily.
No great answers there for you, I'm afraid - I'm really not specialized in those areas. Ha! Areas! No-one laughs at cartographical jokes.
(( Sorry, Decrit. If you haven't guessed - I'm not a part of the narrative team, and while I got to make the Shurima map artifact, I don't have complete knowledge of the rest of Runeterra's map and cosmology. There is work going on, though.))
Decrit1 votesEhr, i knew ye weren' t in the full details, but i misunderstood that you were given broader details from a sendind spell.
the sword stops only for a moment, as for changing back the stare to the merchant, resuming the movements immediately after
Not bad, not bad at all however! You still answered my question - having full explanation in any case would not have been possible aniway i think - but the thought that macroworks are in progress and how satisfies enough me, and for that i can' t thank you enough for your time!
the man takes up the now immobile sword and puts it in the sheath over his back and makes his leave, realizing only after the dire error he made
( Oooooops, guess i misunderstood >< i cannot into engrish and i must have left something. Still you are most kind to answer aniway to my question, and knowing just a tiny bit of direction will be enough for me - something i expected actually, but confirmation is still good! so thanks a lot :D )
(don' t ask me why twerking sword. just.... not)
Celio Hogane HD1 votesYESSSS, a mini Q&A! :)!! :D!!! Do it!!
Decrit1 votesanother men enters in the tent of the algae merchant. Probably he resembles someone who she already met, but a single stare at the unrecognized giant mustaches on the man' s face makes her sure he is a newcomer
Her, hello. Sure we never talked to each other with embarrassing errors already, haven' t we? I was scouring the sand of Shurima with my crew lately - something that was already pointed out as folly and not really fond for living - and beside some sketchy drawings we never managed to find a decent map.
When doing a map, any map, do they base themselves on relics of the tombs mostly? cartographers come from outside cities like Noxus, like a fellow from which i heard time ago, or the shurimans beside survival have time for this kind of development too? Also where is placed the desert, mostly? the map is round, but i can' t figure out where are the major cities, the ocean or whatever other point of intrest to orientate myself. I don' t even know how i came here in first place.
the man stops and you notice that his mustache tilts sightly on a side. you begin to hear some people mutter outside the tent and a rumor as something fondling on the wall
(basically i am asking about the process of mapmaking, not strictly in world-realistic terms but in-between from Valoran and actual development, and how orientate the map and place it compared to other regions).
RiotBioluminescence5 votesWelcome, mysterious, mustachioed, stranger!
Let me tell you about this wax-rubbing of an old Shuriman map I have here.
As you say, the map is round. This, I believe, was a stylistic choice that many ancient people used - long before realistic maps and realistic scales were used. As such, the map is at least slightly symbolic.
Note too, the symbols around the edges. On the left, what looks like the sun is drawn behind a mountain. At the top of the picture, another sun is drawn - this time, above the mountain range. Our image is missing what might have been shown on the right, but I have it on quite good authority that there would be another sun picture there. It would probably have been drawn behind another mountain or range of hills.
In Shurima, as any visitor knows, the sun rises in the East, sweeps high across the sky on the North side, and then sets in the West. If we take these symbols to represent dawn, noon, and the missing setting sun, then the drawing is orientated with North at the top.
I hope that helps with the beginnings of your studies. I might draw your attention to some features that might reward greater study - particularly the interesting geological formations in the NE of the map, and the deep cuts in the SW of the map. I'd love to hear your theories!
I, ahem, think you might want to see to your... animal... outside now. Sir.
Rustling Bush4 votestheirs a map on the wiki if i remember correctly http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100821100304/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/c/cd/MapofValoran.jpg/1000px-MapofValoran.jpg
Darrosh Jewfist24 votesIt's invalid post-IoW/Summoners retcon since it still has the Institute of War.
Rustling Bush16 votes[{quoted}](name=Darrosh Jewfist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LxEbBEWH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-03-06T03:41:43.872+0000)
It's invalid post-IoW/Summoners retcon since it still has the Institute of War.
yeah, and its also a crappy map to say the least, everything is smoshed together.
Baron of Bread12 votesWhile this map does exist, I find it difficult to take seriously considering how the Harrowing is affecting Bilgewater without having significant effect on, say, the Freljord/Ionia/Demacia/Piltover/others. So yeah, that map is probably outdated.
Scorpoison2 votesI am gonna be the devil's advocate and say that the map just cuts off there and there is only 1 continent on the entire planet
Verandure5 votesThe map still calls Mount Targon "Mount Gargantuan".
UPfreely4 votesthis map reminds me of the old-world maps where everything is amazingly distorted.
Orbv3 votesWait, so did we EVER get someone from Urtistan or Fyrone Flats? I would have loved for more of that map to be incorporated. Northern Valoran is more human, and southern is more bestial...but there's a clock tower at Urtistan, I'm intrigued.
WolfBV1 votesDoesn't Kog'Maw have Icathian Surprise? Is there a portal to the Void in Icathia? Who knows?
Verandure1 votesYes, that's where Malzahar went to get his void powers and where he got Kassadin to sacrifice his own daughter.
Captain Aishi2 voteszilean is from urtistan
aaronconlin2 votesIf the map on the wiki is accurate, then it needs an update. Maps are a huge part of the lore (it's the setting after all). Everything is so close, there's only one continent and it just seems kind of generic
Chaotic Reks1 voteshere
Celio Hogane HD3 voteshe is saying a NEW one.
Eyrgos1 votesGlad you can talk about it. So to start the discussion, where are the Summoners? What's near to them?
RiotBioluminescence3 votesHey, Eyrgos!
Sorry - I've been reading the thread in discussion mode, and didn't realize you were replying to me. Unfortunately, I don't have any information about Summoners (except for the publically known fact that there are no longer Summoners) - I'm not part of the lore or narrative team. I am here because I helped make the Shurima map for the Rek'Sai teaser site, and they say I'm allowed to answer questions on it. Bigger questions - I'm as in the dark as you are, most likely!
Sorry again. I don't even usually work directly on League!
EDIT - As Jeddy017 pointed out, and Eyrgos confirmed - I do not know what I'm talking about. This is the Jaredan quote that's important here:
Summoners are a part of the story of Runeterra, they have not been removed as a part of the world, but they are different. I can't speak to their role due to work being done in that regard that will be seen in the future. Sorry to be so vague, it's just not ready for us to release yet.
Eyrgos1 votesHey, Eyrgos!
Sorry - I've been reading the thread in discussion mode, and didn't realize you were replying to me. Unfortunately, I don't have any information about Summoners (except for the publically known fact that there are no longer Summoners) - I'm not part of the lore or narrative team. I am here because I helped make the Shurima map for the Rek'Sai teaser site, and they say I'm allowed to answer questions on it. Bigger questions - I'm as in the dark as you are, most likely!
Sorry again. I don't even usually work directly on League!
Thanks! No problem, I just wondered why; good to know I wasn't skipped over on purpose xD.
Jeddy017's comment above (chronological view please hehe) actually speaks to the contrary (which' what I meant to allude to)...
Summoners do exist still, it's just not widely known (popularly).
Haha, you can see this in the fact you didn't even know xD (just poking good-natured fun at you :P).
So do you think you'd wanna speak to Narrative & ask them to give us a teaser as to their current or new dominion/realm of existence in (or outside, ho ho!) Runeterra???
Also (sorry to derail a little here but Quinn fans are especially desperate for communication/help), if you speak to IronStylus (or could, please!), do you think you could please ask him to visit by at this thread:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/p0vFP3c2-ironstylus-regarding-quinn
Or someone more appropriate to the requests/questions if not him :)
I would love you forever! I'm completely disheartened... I've fought so hard for two years for this and more with virtually nothing to show.
Thank you so much for any consideration!
P.S. Aside-tangent... I wonder if a lot of players feel neglected by Red's as a result of "Discussion-View Syndrome." Not saying I do, you found me after all & I'm happy for it :). But you know about all these threads hating on the new Forums (please nobody derail this thread with talk of that, this' merely an aside I want left behind)... I almost feel like Rioter's should use Chronological View as a standard when looking to respond in discussion threads. I feel like people may feel 'burnt' often as they get accidentally bypassed due to the comment-sorting, that may alleviate this syndrome I just invented. What do you think? I think it'd be good for community health/PR if I'm understanding the system right. It's just my impression that commenter's get incidentally skipped quite often & it can be hurtful/negative for the community. /tangent-over #thankyouforlistening
RiotBioluminescence4 votesHey, Eyrgos!
Yeah - see, this is why I try to keep out of discussions on the other lore elements.
I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, and in the instance where someone from Narrative says something that what I say doesn't agree with (or even doesn't imply the same thing) you should absolutely ignore every word from my keyboard. Talk about gun-shy.
Holy crap... Ok, this doesn't normally happen and you have to PROMISE me that you won't take this to mean I have any magical powers. I don't. I also don't want there to be a future where I'm used as some kind of messenger - I don't think I'd be good at it, and... a hell.
Ok, so I emailed IronStylus - I don't see him around the office (we're on different teams) and I didn't expect a response. I definitely didn't expect a response over the weekend. I was writing this post trying to convey how unlikely it was that you'd get a response any time soon. So, he replied.
Tl;dr - he hopes to jump into the thread himself, but he and RiotDanky have been looking at working on Quinn based on a concept they already have ready. There ARE some other champs that are further up on the conveyor belt right now, but you may just have nudged it up on the list. Hopefully when he gets a chance, he can tell you a tiny bit more.
(Please keep forever-love for your fave champs (and boring things like family, etc.) and don't hand it out to random Rioters for just hail-Mary-ing an email with little hope for success. I don't deserve any.)
Eyrgos2 votesHey, Eyrgos!
Yeah - see, this is why I try to keep out of discussions on the other lore elements.
I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, and in the instance where someone from Narrative says something that what I say doesn't agree with (or even doesn't imply the same thing) you should absolutely ignore every word from my keyboard. Talk about gun-shy.
Holy crap... Ok, this doesn't normally happen and you have to PROMISE me that you won't take this to mean I have any magical powers. I don't. I also don't want there to be a future where I'm used as some kind of messenger - I don't think I'd be good at it, and... a hell.
Ok, so I emailed IronStylus - I don't see him around the office (we're on different teams) and I didn't expect a response. I definitely didn't expect a response over the weekend. I was writing this post trying to convey how unlikely it was that you'd get a response any time soon. So, he replied.
Tl;dr - he hopes to jump into the thread himself, but he and RiotDanky have been looking at working on Quinn based on a concept they already have ready. There ARE some other champs that are further up on the conveyor belt right now, but you may just have nudged it up on the list. Hopefully when he gets a chance, he can tell you a tiny bit more.
(Please keep forever-love for your fave champs (and boring things like family, etc.) and don't hand it out to random Rioters for just hail-Mary-ing an email with little hope for success. I don't deserve any.)
You, {insert: sir or madam}, are a complete GODSEND. I swear you're my Riot Angel. I legitimately cried tears of joy about this... I really don't think you can comprehend the gravitas of just how much this means to me.
My only worry (and you may want to forward this to old Styly too as it appears urgently important he know it, given his intentions to move forward it sounds like) is that they've already cooked up a concept without speaking to us... now, I trust IronStylus as a designer, but because of the way Quinn's been handled historically & my perception of a 'damaged relationship' between Riot & Quinn fans, which needs mending in my opinion... I think it might be best if they officially seek us out for feedback/thoughts first (before running with their idea). If anything, I think that would be a huge step in creating 'healing' with regards to the strained relationship. That'll be moot though so long as they're flexible with regards to making major adjustments to the design if fans are widely displeased. I just think involving us may make for a solid 'olive branch', if you will. Food for thought, something worth his consideration if you think you'd wanna forward this last point on my behalf.
You've already gone above & beyond, I appreciate you so much. It's no bother if you don't wish to do this last little thing; you've already done something incredible for us which you really shouldn't have (nor of this thread, sorry again to all about the derail; it ends here, whether replied to or not. Promise.).
As promised above, I'll let this communication die here & await IronStylus' next move. Love you long time (saving forever-love for the fam), I'll never forget this :)
Sincerely,
Eyrgos
P.S. if you do happen to reach out to him once more (humbly), please do be sure to extend my personal thanks for the potential 'bumping up the list' of Quinn's visual changes.
ULTRAF0RCE2 votesthe problem with chronological view is that it is near impossible for people not used to these forums to know who is responding to who in them(main reason I avoid GD) also by seeing what comments are actually creating discussion inside the thread easier it makes it more simple for the players from Riot to decide which question they will answer, since if you notice with the exceptions on the light hearted threads most red responses are easy to tell apart partially because you can tell they have been worked on in a way to try and give a clear explanation to whatever it is they are discussing.
Motajo2 votes{quoted}EDIT - As Jeddy017 pointed out, and Eyrgos confirmed - I do not know what I'm talking about. This is the Jaredan quote that's important here:
Even if Summoners are technically still a part of Runeterra, doesn't changing them render the point moot?
I mean, since they're getting changed, they clearly won't fill the same purposes they did before the Great Retcon. Sure, there may be summoners of the "wizard bringing beings to them via an acidic taxi ride" variety, but they aren't the Summoners of the IoW, which is what (I should hope) people mean when they bring up the term.
Jeddy0173 votesAccording to Jaredan,the Summoners in the new lore are going to be something different than what they were before.So even though the Institute of War & the League of Legends are gone,the Summoners are still going to be a thing.Just a different thing. Here's the quote:
Summoners are a part of the story of Runeterra, they have not been removed as a part of the world, but they are different. I can't speak to their role due to work being done in that regard that will be seen in the future. Sorry to be so vague, it's just not ready for us to release yet.
Here's the comment: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/Qr1AicQh-suggestion-box-what-do-we-want-to-talk-about-with-narrative?comment=0031
Anything else is pure speculation until Riot starts releasing lore content or something.You might not want to hold your breath though.
Epsilaun1 votesonly read the red posts/related comments but for the people who posted the "map" of the Harrowing.......aparently we need to retcon Nautilus as part of Shadow Isles now cause one of the events says " Reports of a large figure encased in a rusted diving suit seen in the heart of the fighting."
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