Name a Champion whose story "couldn't progress" because of the League.

CupcakeTrap·11/17/2014, 6:37:54 PM·21 votes·6,763 views

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I jotted this thread down on the old forum before the transition to Boards:

Link: Name a Champion whose story "couldn't progress" because of the League

I've been meaning to revise this, polish it up, and post a new version on these boards. In the meantime, any feedback or suggestions?

You can also feel free to submit new "challenges", or to take a stab at handling some yourself. (It's not rocket science, Narrative's protestations that it's "too hard" notwithstanding.)

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CupcakeTrap11/17/2014, 7:48:14 PM23 votes

Most of that thread is somewhat lighthearted, but, of course, there was a very serious discussion of Syndra joining the League.


Originally Posted by CataclysmCrash View Post You can't argue Syndra. It's too little too late.

Legit murdered someone and uplifted a solid block of the country side. Summoners get to dig through her mind. They ain't going to be like "Alright she seems legit" and let her in the League with her free will.

Instead a story would have to be written, possibly involving Zed (running with the power theme) where the Kinkou and Karma/Irelia fight them and arrest them.

To which I responded:

I don't think being a murderous psychopath keeps someone out of the League. It just means that Ionia isn't going to sponsor her. This is realpolitik. Most factions in the League — not individual Champions or Summoners, but most entire factions, entire nations — are guilty of horrific crimes by the laws of other factions. That doesn't matter: the League is a supranational body. It can be called on to punish war crimes and adjudicate armed conflicts between nations, but it doesn't care what a Champion has done to their own faction. If she sets foot on Ionian soil, Ionia can arrest her, but Ionia has no jurisdiction over her within the Institute, or in Noxus, or anywhere else.

So she shows up, and Noxus is all "she's gonna fight for us kthx" ^.^

and Morgana goes, "omg wtf we don't need more mages srsly she's like 18 this is ****ing insulting im a fallen angel and you want to recruit a ****ing teenager **** this"

and Noxus is all "w/e ur support now"

and then Noxus is like "(frostfang pretty strong on you now imo)"

and LeBlanc is like "what about me"

and Noxus is all "lol nerfed. but srsly summoners we want her k? so do the paperwork and stuff"

and some dorky Summoner from Ionia is like, "uh, guys, this chick is totally nuts. I don't even need to read her mind. Talk with her for five minutes and she'll start raving about how she wants to murder Ionia's elders and rule over Valoran with an iron fist. Seriously, she's bat**** insane. Why would we want to help her become more powerful?"

and then Noxus is like, "Gosh, maybe we'd better persuade a founding member of the League to demand her entrance, like, a world superpower that the League can't ignore. OH WAIT **** THAT'S US. So how about you *****es write down whatever Judgment you want, then let her in. Instead of talking about a bunch of things that 'might' happen. I mean, hey, Demacia, everyone deserves a chance, right?"

and the Ionian dude is like "omg demacia don't u ****ing do this"

and the Demacian Summoner is like, "everyone deserves a chance and we have anger management classes maybe the good summoners of the league can help her find tru peace"

and the Noxian Summoner is like, "yeah, totes"

and the Ionian Summoner is like "karma srsly ur like a master diplomat do something"

and Karma is like "w/e id rather have her in the league doing ARAMs than wrecking ionia"

and the Ionian Summoner is all like :(

and Noxus is like "superpower" ^.^

and Syndra is like :3

and Noxus is like, "lol ur a cat"

Maple Crusader11/17/2014, 7:47:59 PM7 votes

Alright, I have a few champs in mind: Renekton and Warwick. I'm not sure how Renekton's story with the League's existence would progress because he's a prisoner in the league (unless he's not a prisoner in the new lore, which I hate immensely) and he doesn't have much potential development in his personality other than being bloodthirsty and mad. Warwick's new lore makes him completely focused on killing Soraka. Sure, champions have fought against each other outside the Fields of Justice (Karthus ended up dead when Malz and Kass fought one time), but Warwick would never be able to eat Soraka's heart as long as the League is still around.

Sharjo11/17/2014, 9:30:12 PM5 votes

I'll stick my hand in, as much as my gut tells me not to, because well, screw it. On the question at hand: No one. Everyone could have developed if they kept the League. It's not like anyone disagrees with that. In the dev blog, Riot said they could do it, but essentially didn't want to. Why? Because the stories involved were, in their opinion highly contrived and sometimes, not all of the time, things being contrived kinda sucks. Here's my thing here: this question seems like a trap because contrivance solves it completely. An example:

Vel'Koz's Velkoz is the super cool lasery void floaty guy of doom. His purpose is to consume and learn, but his ultimate goal is to attain the ultimate knowledge. He believes Zilean Zilean, floaty timey whimey old guy of Urtistan who he's never met holds this knowledge. This means he wants to meet and kill Zilean, because Vel'Koz learns by lasering things to oblivion.

So Vel'Koz goes around, gets some intel, finds Zilean, and then stops because there's an institution of people in his way. At this point, the story goes one of two ways:

  • Vel'Koz says fuck these sods and tries to fight his way to Zilean, and winds up imprisoned.

  • Vel'Koz decides to be sneaky about it, either by hatching a plan to trick the summoners or covertly getting through their defenses to get to Zilean.

The first option kills his story dead in its tracks and puts him in the "Next step of the story is his break out!" a story that Cho'Gath, Brand, Renekton and Nocturne all suffered from. These summoners can keep a primal fire elemental, a monstorous void creature, a (former) alien warrior and a living nightmare imprisoned potentially indefinetly. So what happens then? A contrivance to solve the problem. A rogue summoner breaks him free, he somehow manages to figure out how to break free despite the sheer implausibility of such a thing, malzahar breaks him out, which is also pretty implausible considering that the Summoner's are probably sensible enough to not let him do that. Either these contrivances (there's likely more I haven't thought of) or some big institute shattering event would need to happen.

The first part of of the second option is unlike Vel'Koz. He's not the kind of entity to negotiate well with humans, especially considering that his kind are not so well received in Runeterra. The second option is more plausible but this is the INSTITUTE OF WAR. They'd figure it out. If they didn't it'd be poor writing IMO. If the institute can figure out how to keep so many baddies in check, what about Vel'Koz is so sodding special that he can't be? How is this solved? A contrived story to sort it out. I actually can't figure one, and kinda don't want to, because I feel like it'd be insulting Vel'Koz to do so, and I really like the little guy- wait no he's huge. I really like the big guy!

A contrived story can work, and be compelling, but you can't do it too many times or else it just feels really cheap. This is why filler anime is generally always bad, at least in my opinion, because in order to make it a reasonable threat, it has to have some kind of powers and involve certain characters in ways that mess with things. The contrivance there sucks, and is wears you down really quickly.

In League's case the same applies. If one imprisoned character escapes, the rest are fucked. Because logically, the rest of them would never be able to escape because the methods for keeping them imprisoned would drastically improve, and by extension their chances of escaping dramatically fall to around 0%. If they wanna make those characters get out and develop properly, they have to compound things further and make an even BIGGER contrivance to allow for it. For me, that shit would get old really fast. You can only pull contrivances once or twice before they get old.

So in the end I have to ask, not who couldn't develop because of the League, but who couldn't develop without a contrived story to push them along? To be clear, contrived stories can be great, but League would need to many.

Killer of Poros11/18/2014, 12:48:22 AM4 votes

Jax Why does this guy exist if there is no institute of war? He's just a mercenary who was good at fighting in the league and wasn't known for anything before that.

Hellioning11/17/2014, 8:11:59 PM4 votes

I think most of the 'imprisoned by the League' champs might have had difficulty showing up in any sort of way with the League in place. Basically the only option for a story they had is 'AND THEN CHO GATH BREAKS OUT!' Which isn't a bad thing, but I do think the League was limiting their options when it comes to those champions.

EDIT: I guess that wasn't what you were asking, though. I can't think of any champ that had hit a dead end in their story, except possibly by Riot not WANTING them to continue their story. For example, Demacia's faults never showing up after Lux's judgement.

warpenguin55511/17/2014, 7:49:57 PM3 votes

Lee Sin

Narasimha11/18/2014, 12:29:02 AM2 votes

I think I posed this in the original thread, but I thought about it a bit.

Gangplank

If I recall correctly, you responded with "He could be in the League for political reasons." But I did a bit of thinking, and I came to this: He's a PIRATE. What use for gaining favor in politics? If anything, it'd be easier for him to just roam and Bilgewater and gain fame (or infamy) from there. He doesn't gain too much from the League, and he doesn't lose anything from it either.

ULTRAF0RCE11/17/2014, 11:38:02 PM2 votes

Brand, his character in general makes it impossible to create a story with him, the removal of the league means that there is an easy excuse to make him be whoever they want him to be, also he can be a reverse pre big lore xerath he can go from being Jafar to some dude who likes fire too much

Twilight Drizzle11/18/2014, 2:09:15 AM2 votes

Nami.

Because the ARAM Ghost was just fresh out of moonstones

delonix11/18/2014, 5:27:43 PM1 votes

Ao Shin. Legend has it he will appear when Ionia faces its greatest crisis. The Institute of War and the League of Legends within have been holding off this crisis, which is apparently worse than a Noxian invasion.

Also, I'm curious if you still feel the same way about Fiddlesticks. Having him ult into an Institute of War meeting and start advocating for an independent Shadow Isles seems sort of out of character for the demon in the basement.

tau4311/17/2014, 8:12:25 PM1 votes

Nasus doesn't really have a reason any more.