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IronStylus Says: Deal With It. - I Say: Give us our money back or never get any more from us.

Neo Cyrus··402 votes·28,939 views

SJW IronStylus says characters will be stylized from now. Really? There's a difference between being stylized and being outright disgusting and amateur looking. What the fuck is this:

http://i.imgur.com/NSmDeoP.png

You think the new one is on the left? WRONG, that hideous thing on the right is the new one. The difference in changes for the other two skins is even more horrendous but I didn't have comparison pictures on hand.

And don't tell me they fixed them on the PBE, it's still 99% the same trash, it's completely disgusting and even worse on the other 2 skins. They've made it abundantly clear with what they've said that they're keeping this creepy/ugly Disney villain caricature look for Fiora.

You can stylize something without it looking like an intern made it to troll someone. I'm not going to bend over and take this one, I want my money back, I own every Fiora skin, I've blown hundreds of dollars on this damn game and I'm not about to watch content get deleted and replaced with garbage that's insanely just described as being "slightly different" or "stylized".

It's not in any way, shape or form what I bought, it's nothing the same. Either your company stops quoting bullshit policies about no refunds or don't see a cent from us again. This isn't even getting into the topic that you're essentially deleting a champion and replacing it with an ugly one with the same name that's not at all the same.

Sincerely,

Enraged customers who think Riot's art style and artist's "deal with it, we're the artists" attitude is bullshit that would end in disaster in nearly any other company.


As if past butcherings weren't horrible enough (Pentakill skins being demolished), this one is clearly the art team pushing as far as they can and seemingly getting a kick out of how pissed off people are.

Don't take this laying down. Send in ticket after ticket demanding refunds. Don't take no for an answer. Keep sending in tickets until they get the message. The art team can get away with whatever they want as is abundantly clear from their "fuck you" attitude, but that doesn't mean you should let them take your money too.

Edit: Have some more pics, and stop pretending they're fixed on the PBE or being fixed, the new ones still look almost identical to these -

http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/67/663/fiorabasemv.jpg

http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/67/664/fioranightravenmv.jpg

http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/67/665/fioramusketeermv.jpg

http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/67/666/fioraheadmistressmv.jpg

Now compare those to the old models and weep.

Edit 2: This needs to be posted, and read more than the title otherwise it's meaningless and comes off as childish nonsense - http://www.goldper10.com/article/2044.html

The SJW crusade of the art team has been going on for too long. You want to make uglier-than-hell characters? Fine, no one complained about any of them. But STOP GOING BACK AND DESTROYING WELL ESTABLISHED CHARACTERS!

327 Comments

DropFill155 votes

She never needed a fucking VU to begin with. They just want to throw it on our throat

Thanotos Omega47 votes

Yeah Ironliefeld and his team can go to the pit this art style is just ugly and to different from what we all got into the game with.

Retillin11 votes

Ouch, calling an artist "Liefeld"... man that is rough.

Thanotos Omega9 votes

He and his team deserve it,

Retillin17 votes

Oh I don't disagree. But it's like the artist version of "Hitler" or "Stalin". It means they REALLY fucked up.

Thanotos Omega3 votes

Have you seen Fiora's spine? or MF's waist? cleaner lines doesn't make that any less horrible looking,

Retillin5 votes

Hey now, League's "art team" is only 90% as bad as Liefeld.

Thanotos Omega41 votes

The key difference is Liefeld didn't go into peoples homes and change comics they already bought.

Dracid68 votes

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She never needed a fucking VU to begin with. They just want to throw it on our throat

this is the part I don't get. She is one of the last champs that needed a VU. Taric is leagues ahead in terms of how bad his model is. I loved Fioras model. She looked great. This new one was unnecessary and ugly as hell

IcyPepper101 votes

Probably the only time I'm disappointed in the art team and Ironstylus.

These Fiora models are hideous. They could easily not change Fiora's model and just pretend this never happened and let it blow over. Let us have her new kit, make the animations for the current models, and we can pretend the whole art crap never happened.

And if you don't want to waste the new splash and "classic" model, make it a skin. See how many people buy it. Probably not many. I wonder why.

Purodyuusaa38 votes

Let me preface and tl;dr by saying I sympathize with you OP.

When I first started playing this game, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how anyone had anything negative to say about it. This was back in old GD and the number of shit posters and flamers were abundant and that's honestly all I thought they were. "How dare they!" I thought. I was naive.

Time passed and as Riot made changes, I began to notice I didn't exactly agree with all of them. I figured this would naturally be the case as Riot isn't marketing to me personally, but to a lot of people that are like me. I let the ones I disagreed with slide and I relished in the changes I approved of. However, the number and frequency of changes I thought were bs kept growing while the number I enjoyed continued to diminish. This is the cycle of how a fanboy turns into a flamer and how Riot manages to kill fun.

I have no idea when it happened but I think around the time when Sivir got a new splash art is when my undying adoration for Riot began to nosedive. Thread after thread of people showing Riot how they messed up were being posted. People and myself went so far as to show real life examples of how the anatomy simply didn't work. We all acknowledged what Riot was aiming for and pointed out they missed the mark, but we were met with 2 answers. Deal with it or absolute silence.

I could sit here and shit on Riot and tell you they're a terrible company. They aren't really when you look at it objectively. They're a business trying to make money which is all any business is really doing. If I were to be perfectly honest with you though, Riot doesn't really give two parts of a shit what you think OP. They're going to continue on their way and it's going to make them money. They've got a pretty good business model they've organically fallen into. For every fault you find, 30 or 40 people will willingly defend it. It's become so bad that Riot has no real reason to respond to any of your criticisms. Their fans will do it for them and that will be that. You'll argue, they'll defend. This will happen until you forget and move on. That's the crux of their PR department. They depend on your willingness to become complacent and forget. Either you will be drowned out by their summer soldiers or you will be ignored into submission. In either case, you will eventually become complacent and forget. Small changes will happen sure, but nothing so major such as a complete scrap of their plans. This will all happen with barely a single response from their "player first" staff members.

Sure, when they do respond, you'll get the same tired answer. "We need to work on our communication skills" or something similar, but that's been their go to response since as far back as late season 2 when I started playing. Their communication skills haven't improved and I have to sincerely doubt any actual effort was ever put into improving them. Riot doesn't need to change. Riot won't change. They're the largest game on the planet and your criticisms, no matter how valid they'll ever be, are only an insignificant moot point to them.

You'll beat yourself to death before you even so much as move them OP. In all honesty, they aren't really worth the effort or the emotion. If you enjoy the game, enjoy it for what it is. A time waster. If, like me, you find your frustrations with the company start altering your mood, then it'd be best to find something different to waste your time on. Come back every blue moon, play an aram or two, laugh at how dumb things are, and then leave it at that. Just don't let this company and their shitty policies physically and emotionally affect you.

Neo Cyrus17 votes

I would have quit this game long ago if so many of my real life friends didn't play and would have left with me, they stubbornly refused. Now I'm heavily invested into it. Not only have I spent a lot of money on it, but the time I've spent is also crazy. I've played ranked since season 3, constantly watched the LCS, constantly tried to not repeat the same mistakes of each ranked match until I climbed to Platinum rank this season.

It's insane to think that the art team are what's killing the game for me. Don't get me wrong, I want to uninstall the game every time I see each patch's balance changes.

And yes, I'm well aware of what Riot's tactics are, heavily relying on people forgetting and becoming complacent combined with their keyboard warrior shills defending every scumbag move they do. That's why I'm trying to make people speak up and not forget.

Solaxo10 votes

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I would have quit this game long ago if so many of my real life friends didn't play and would have left with me, they stubbornly refused. Now I'm heavily invested into it. Not only have I spent a lot of money on it, but the time I've spent is also crazy. I've played ranked since season 3, constantly watched the LCS, constantly tried to not repeat the same mistakes of each ranked match until I climbed to Platinum rank this season.

It's insane to think that the art team are what's killing the game for me. Don't get me wrong, I want to uninstall the game every time I see each patch's balance changes.

And yes, I'm well aware of what Riot's tactics are, heavily relying on people forgetting and becoming complacent combined with their keybaord warrior shills defending every scumbag move they do. That's why I'm trying to make people speak up and not forget.

I honestly don't know what people find so interesting in LC$... "same picks all over again, farming minions for 20 min"

Ranger Azereth33 votes

I don't even care about her size or "sexiness" the models are just objectively worse...the facial image in and of itself shows how much quality went into that look....it's honestly sad that they are doing a VU for her. Her kit, yeah that makes sense but her style and look were fine. Make the VU a skin not her new model.

Also this is from someone that has little issue with riot for the policies or practices. This time though I completely disagree with this move.

BlackSunNocturne32 votes

She looks like a tumblr landwhale.

There. I fucking said it.

Ironstylus made so many GOOD designs for female champs. Yet Fiora is the one he butchers.

Fiora goes from one of the most attractive females in League, to a frigging butterface who looks like a Tumblr SJW's "ideal woman" (ie: Fat and ugly)

Goddamn it all

MajorPain914 votes

All she is missing is a patreon.

Gunslinger74417 votes

This is painfully true. Fiora is a slender, sexy duelist with an attitude to match. I wouldn't be surprised with this model, instead of "en garde!" she'll say "Check your privilege!"

Ectasyy27 votes

What i don't understand is they have a problem switching the bangs on fiora because then the splash wont look like the models in game.... but why would you even change it when all her skins (royal guard, mistress, nightravin) have the hair over one eye.. so does that mean they are gonna change the splashes to them since it don't look like the model anymore? IT makes no sense. easy as done just fix the models like the splash or close to them. I see so many fans of the game easily re edit the art and made it 100x better. and they are doing it for FREE and so many at one time. They don't work for riot

Thanotos Omega41 votes

Riot has no issues selling products with false advertising, never has never will,

Tundra Fizz25 votes

The face on the right looks extremely... off and not like Fiora at all... >_>

Weiner the Pooh18 votes

Yeah I agree, this "VU" is basically just a new champ that they made then used an existing champions name, in no way does the new look feel like Fiora at all, hell the only reason I new it was Fiora when I saw it on ff@20 was because the title said it.

Trídent18 votes

The new one is completely disgusting.

Legacy of Xion16 votes

The model on the right is fat.

Literally this VU is a horrendous travesty upon Fiora. I was all for her - I got all her skins, most from mystery gifts. I got Headmistress, one of my favorite skins.

Now? Now she looks horrendous. She no longer looks like the slim, suave french badass. She's a fat french woman with a ruler.

I was pissed at Kayle's splash, but THIS?! THIS IS WHAT I WAITED FOR?!

LlamaSpeed16 votes

I knew riot would meet its downfall someday. The only thing keeping league of legends up was its beautiful art. Once that's gone, leagues gone.

Stackless Python14 votes

Thank god I didn't buy that skin, at it's release it look look as fuck, but I already had Royal Guard. That is a visual downgrade done for no reason. We buy the skins, we buy the champions, you get paid because of us. It's a company, not a fucking personal art project. If you want to make money, make things people are going to buy. I'm sure as hell not buying a visually downgraded skin.

O Fallen Scholar14 votes

Is it worth sending tickets to customer support? Because I'm thinking about it.

Neo Cyrus16 votes

Imagine what would happen if everyone who wants a refund wouldn't stop demanding it instead of just pretending nothing happened and moving on as Riot wants. One way or another they'd lose enough money that they'd consider not destroying characters and robbing us with future updates.

Knight Widow11 votes

Im a huge Fiora player and while I am hopeful for the new skill changes im very upset with the hideous VU. I hate her new look. She was stunning before. I loved ALL of her skins. Now they all look terrible. Dont even get me started on Musketeer. Its TRASH now. I will be demanding a refund. If we dont get a classic skin im gonna raise hell.

disregardable10 votes

They'd probably lose more money offering refunds for champion updates than from losing you as a customer.

Neo Cyrus27 votes

Yeah because I'm the only one they'd lose. /sarcasm

They made that policy right before they started destroying skins, during the time they completely butchered all the Pentakill skins.

disregardable3 votes

You may as well be, compared to the number of people that would take the refund if offered.

Neo Cyrus16 votes

Are you here just to troll?

disregardable8 votes

It's a legitimate point. Riot would probably lose a few million dollars in RP if they refunded Fiora+all of her skins, and that's just Fiora. It's bad business sense.

Neo Cyrus29 votes

If you think they'd lose millions then it's clear how horrible it is.

Linna Excel8 votes

Which one is the updated version?

Gaston du Coteau14 votes

The one on the right, currently in the PBE it's slightly different, but still absolutely horrible. The 1000x better one on the left is the old.

A Miss Fortune6 votes

I think instead of calling Riot out you should be a lot more kind and organized with your post, Rioters won't comment on discussions/posts just flat out insulting them.

Also I'm pretty sure Riot is continuing to tweak Fiora, they want to give her a more sophisticated look while also trying to balance out her previous look. Personally I dislike the new splash art on how large the difference is between her core facial features, but at least they're trying to keep the game new and fresh.

Gaston du Coteau23 votes

Just be kind to those robbing you of your purcheses and telling you to fuck off and deal with it! Great idea! I can't tell if you're trying to piss people off or what.

There have been tons of "kind and organized" posts, and they got a middle finger in return. It's time for some angry ones.

And no, the "worked on" models and splash are almost identical.

They're intentionally making ugly models to see how far they can push people, how fresh and new!

A Miss Fortune6 votes

Telling Riot that they're a horrible, cheap company that just is in it for the money isn't going to get you anywhere. Yes, there was organized posts and they actually were commented on by Rioters.

Give it time, It's literally been like 2 or 3 days since her splash art came out and you're already going insane that they haven't made a completely new splash art. You want them to make a good splash, but also seemingly want them to rush it and make it instantly. I'm no artist, but I can imagine it takes some time to finish a well made splash.

Neo Cyrus22 votes

At this point I'm convinced you're either a Riot shill or a troll. They've done this before, they're doing it again, and stronger than ever. They've already stated they're sticking with this "style", the "fixed" versions are literally disgusting.

Stop trying to push your agenda, no Riot artist replied even once to any of the "kind" threads.

They're pushing as far as they can get away with it, and you're standing there saying be kind and organized. Get real, my points are relatively organized.

A Miss Fortune5 votes

Actually, I think on the first day of the splash art release someone commented and said they are working on the splash art or something.

I don't understand why you're trying to make Riot seem like they're cruel and evil and just want your money, if they wanted your money and to be lazy about it, wouldn't they just keep the original splash art to begin with and do as little as they could on her rework?

Neo Cyrus16 votes

You've been told several times now the "worked on" versions are near identical. Let me give you some more info, no matter what they change about them (which may be nothing more) they'll still be disgusting because they're pushed so far into the "ugly" style they're aiming for. I'm ignoring you now.

NemeBro13 votes

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Actually, I think on the first day of the splash art release someone commented and said they are working on the splash art or something.

I don't understand why you're trying to make Riot seem like they're cruel and evil and just want your money, if they wanted your money and to be lazy about it, wouldn't they just keep the original splash art to begin with and do as little as they could on her rework?

By not refunding people who had the old Fiora, by giving her a VU they are more likely to attract new Fiora players who prefer the VU version. The people who preferred old Fiora have to deal with it, and people who like the new VU can now spend money on a champion they were never interested in before.

That is how this could be a money-grabbing ploy.

Digielf1 votes

This is just a skin anyway, who cares about skins seriously only those who main Twisted Fate, Her original vu looks a lot better than the old one

http://www.newsoflegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Fiora-Model-2-1024x6381-1024x638.jpg

Noin Lucrezia12 votes

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This is just a skin anyway, who cares about skins seriously only those who main Twisted Fate, Her original vu looks a lot better than the old one

http://www.newsoflegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Fiora-Model-2-1024x6381-1024x638.jpg

"This is just the one you pay real money for, who cares about that? The free one looks fine."

Did you even pull your head far enough out of your own ass to read what you wrote before you clicked 'post'?

Digielf1 votes

the skins arent canon they are customizations that noone cares about, the original champion is the true one why would anyone care about their skins Fioras new visual update looks perfect in compare with the old model, her skins payed the price because the update couldnt fit with them too

Noin Lucrezia13 votes

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the skins arent canon they are customizations that noone cares about, the original champion is the true one why would anyone care about their skins Fioras new visual update looks perfect in compare with the old model, her skins payed the price because the update couldnt fit with them too

"Why would anyone care about the ones they PAID REAL MONEY FOR and not the ones that they can get for free Bison Bucks."

Gee you fuckin' got me there, Sherlock.

Digielf3 votes

ah lol i didnt notice that, yes if they payed money already and bought them it will be a turndown

Noin Lucrezia13 votes

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ah lol i didnt notice that, yes if they payed money already and bought them it will be a turndown

...How do you think we get skins?

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