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Some of the things Vel'Koz says

Bouncemaster Zac··59 votes·5,474 views

Make me incredibly curious about what the average Void creature is like. While The Void has always been a vague alternate world full of darkness and weird monsters, we've never gotten much in the way of specifics save for what we can glean from Void Champions. Vel'Koz, being a talkative 'scientist' just happens to off-handedly mention some really interesting things.

Velkoz "Endoskeletal. Quite peculiar." Having an internal skeleton is apparently highly unusual in the Void. But... KogMaw explicitly has one, visible when he explodes after death, and Chogath probably has one as well based on his body structure and the whole growing thing. Cho and Kog are weird even to other Voidborn it seems.

Velkoz "Human melting point remains... inconsistent." Apparently, most Void species melt at a consistent temperature as though they're only made of a single type of material.

Velkoz "Creature's mewling increases during dissection." First off, Vel dissects things alive and without anesthesia. Fucking brutal. Second; Void creatures either don't feel or don't respond to pain, evidently.

Velkoz "I miss the darkness of the Void." "The sunlight here is harsh." The Void is dark, we knew that, but the second line is the one worth noting. Vel isn't complaining that there's a sun, he's complaining that this particular sun's light is harsh. Presumably he's seen one before. Does the Void have a sun of some kind?

There's a lot to pick through and theorize about here, and it'd be great to learn more about the Void.

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Borbland31 votes

Velkoz "Tears appear to serve no function"

_Proceeds to buy item 3070 _

Echo54527 votes

Vel played

Borbland1 votes

slow clap

Ackelope24 votes

I think you're extrapolating some of these a little too far. For example, just because Vel notes that humans make more noise when they're dissected doesn't mean void creatures don't have a response to pain. He isn't necessarily comparing, just making a note of a fact. Same with the inconsistent melting point. He's making a statement of fact about humans, not comparison. When he appends something to the statement like "Quite peculiar", you can presume the void is different, but many of his quotes are not necessarily trying to compare.

Bouncemaster Zac5 votes

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I think you're extrapolating some of these a little too far. For example, just because Vel notes that humans make more noise when they're dissected doesn't mean void creatures don't have a response to pain. He isn't necessarily comparing, just making a note of a fact. Same with the inconsistent melting point. He's making a statement of fact about humans, not comparison. When he appends something to the statement like "Quite peculiar", you can presume the void is different, but many of his quotes are not necessarily trying to compare.

You may be right, but I think I'm doing the science noodle proud by overanalyzing everything he says.

Wimbledofy5 votes

Not overanalyzing enough though. If you were overanalyzing correctly you'd make better assumptions. Especially how you tried to interpret "Human melting point remains... inconsistent." If he were comparing to void he wouldn't have said humans but would have spoken of the world as a whole compared to the void.

BIAKaboose1 votes

His page in the client actually has him mentioning that void creature melting points are also inconsistent. Looked up the exact quote from the story just to make sure, "Hmm. Void-native melting point is inconsistent," I note." So that one is just blatantly incorrect, sorry to burst your bubble dude. [zombie-nunu-tears]

Hovering Hentai22 votes

The quote is "the light here is harsh" I dont think he mentions the sun

Redhood Mon3 votes

yes, he means Leona and Lux .

Votable Jester1 votes

That still does suggest that there is some light in the void at least.

LunSeiSleidee14 votes

I think you're probably reading too much into this. His voicelines aren't meant to give you an idea of the Void, they're meant to set up the kind of character he is.

50000000000000002 votes

And this was before void lore was released.

Verdade9 votes

"Bones are surprisingly inflexible" "Are no organs safely removable?" "Their skins appear non-transferable." "Hm, this is a fragile species." "Creature appears to seek its maternal unit." "Have they ceased to evolve?" "When bisected, neither half grows back." "Odd creatures of blood and flesh."

If you add all these together, you can get pretty rough picture of native void creatures:

-they don't have parents, or at least not father/mother. It's more likely they multiply by division like cells -this is further supported by fact they can regrow when split in half -these beings are capable of growing organic carapace which works as exoskeleton and "holds them in shape". It's very likely they can grow it consciously (At least Kha can). It appears they can grow to practically unlimited size (Cho). For example, Kha's blades seem to be made of his internal matter, so it seems he doens't damage/cut using physical strength, it's more likely he's using something like Vel's plasma beams (think of lightsabers) -they need sustenance, and they can get it by either devouring matter (Kog, Cho, Kha, Rek) or absorbing energy (Vel) -they are very individualistic and often refuse to work with other void-born, however they seem to follow some kind of leadership -there is some great void creature, possibly leader or ancient/primal voidborn that seems to spawn voidlings/command invasions

medic titan1 votes

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-there is some great void creature, possibly leader or ancient/primal voidborn that seems to spawn voidlings/command invasions

Maybe it's the creature mentioned in AurelionSol story.

idontgiveabother7 votes

"Their elbows are quite obscene" My favorite quote in the game from this guy

TricolorStar4 votes

I'm pretty sure the Void is just an Lovecraft-inspired Eldritch location full of many kinds of crazy monsters (a lot of them invertebrate, or at least insectoid in nature). From the art we've seen of the Void, it even appears to be a sort of living world, similar to Phaaze from Metroid or Remina from Hellstar Remina. Lots of open gashes in the ground sporting teeth, tentacles coming from the mountains, and a weird purple light that comes from a black-ish Sun.

Vel'Koz appears to be in a high class of monsters from the Void, being capable of very intelligent thought and some really weird philosophy. Cho'Gath, Kog'Maw, and others are more animalistic, and Kha'Zix and Rek'Sai are actual wild animals.

Photos of Ghosts4 votes

Kha'zix is not a wild animal, he can speak very correctly, much better than Kog

BIAKaboose1 votes

Isn't Kog still pretty much a baby though? The point on Kha'Zix is pretty spot on though.

Echo5452 votes

Velkoz "I find their elbows obscene"

They must not have elbows in the void. Or maybe they just dress their elbows more conservatively.

Bouncemaster Zac5 votes

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Velkoz "I find their elbows obscene"

They must not have elbows in the void. Or maybe they just dress their elbows more conservatively.

Nah, all the other Voidborn we know have elbows. That's just a tentacle-eyeball-monster thing.

Craft Zeppelin3 votes

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Velkoz "I find their elbows obscene"

They must not have elbows in the void. Or maybe they just dress their elbows more conservatively.

elbow porn incoming.

Fasmodey1 votes

I don't think humans get melted, do we? We get burned, our materials are not open to get melted.

FloRaider423 votes

You could make the argument that the melting point does exist, but is just to close to the boiling point to notice. I think under specialized circumstances (pressure, vaccum, temperature) it's theoretically possible to melt materials that usually burn up like say wood.

FilDaFunk4 votes

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You could make the argument that the melting point does exist, but is just to close to the boiling point to notice. I think under specialized circumstances (pressure, vaccum, temperature) it's theoretically possible to melt materials that usually burn up like say wood.

Cell mostly contain water within the lipid membrane - technically, there isn't much melting to be done.

Melledoneus1 votes

Not with that attitude.

SoyUnPrededor2 votes

"cells contain substances which successively and temporarily retard the rise of temperature. " You can actually melt a fair number of cells, I did a bit of research into this, but first you have a step-like trend of heat increase, wherein it first begins to rise, plateaus for a little while, then continues to heat up linearly until another such point where it plateaus again. However, once the fire retardant materials are expired, the rest continues to melt.

Think of it like a fire that you occasionally pour water on, but never enough to extinguish. Eventually, when you run out of water, it'll keep on doing its thing, increasing temperature until the remaining material has reach a temperature hot enough where it is imbued with enough energy for the solid structure of it to turn to liquid.

Carbon melts at 3550ºC, but it would only take around 200ºC for most of a human to melt. Your skin as it is mostly carbon, would likely either char and burn, or sublimate (go from solid directly to gas) however, human skin is much more than carbon, the sugar is made of carbon but it melts well below 3550ºC (sucrose melts at 186 ºC), additionally, the nucleus of cells are particularly vulnerable to heat changes, and the fat in your skins starts melting around 60ºC, thus by the time the sugar has melted, the fat is long gone. Even in a case where we have a material made mostly of carbon, that doesn't seem to melt. . . parts of it, the fat layers, the sugars, the blood vessels etc within that material all would melt. It seems a matter of definition at this point. Does partially melting still count? Or do we only count the parts that do melt and not that which does not even as a piece of the same organ, cell, or part of the body?

Additionally, "The melting point of DNA is around 60ºC. Note that ‘melting’ in this sense is not a change of aggregate state, but simply the dissociation of the two molecules of the DNA double helix." By the time we reach 60-65 ºC, the cell DNA has started to disintegrate, fat has started melting, the skin cell membrane is made of a kind of fat and nucleus is composed of DNA. Even if I add 40 more degrees the water dipole attraction is not enough to bind water molecules. Everything starts to fall apart. Full chaos." do note, raising it 40 more degrees reaches at minimum 100ºC, or the boiling point of water, so after that point much of the water evaporates, so by the time you reach 200ºC to melt the sugars the flame and heat retardant from the water molecules has mostly expired.

FilDaFunk2 votes

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"cells contain substances which successively and temporarily retard the rise of temperature. " You can actually melt a fair number of cells, I did a bit of research into this, but first you have a step-like trend of heat increase, wherein it first begins to rise, plateaus for a little while, then continues to heat up linearly until another such point where it plateaus again. However, once the fire retardant materials are expired, the rest continues to melt.

Think of it like a fire that you occasionally pour water on, but never enough to extinguish. Eventually, when you run out of water, it'll keep on doing its thing, increasing temperature until the remaining material has reach a temperature hot enough where it is imbued with enough energy for the solid structure of it to turn to liquid.

Carbon melts at 3550ºC, but it would only take around 200ºC for most of a human to melt. Your skin as it is mostly carbon, would likely either char and burn, or sublimate (go from solid directly to gas) however, human skin is much more than carbon, the sugar is made of carbon but it melts well below 3550ºC (sucrose melts at 186 ºC), additionally, the nucleus of cells are particularly vulnerable to heat changes, and the fat in your skins starts melting around 60ºC, thus by the time the sugar has melted, the fat is long gone. Even in a case where we have a material made mostly of carbon, that doesn't seem to melt. . . parts of it, the fat layers, the sugars, the blood vessels etc within that material all would melt. It seems a matter of definition at this point. Does partially melting still count? Or do we only count the parts that do melt and not that which does not even as a piece of the same organ, cell, or part of the body?

Additionally, "The melting point of DNA is around 60ºC. Note that ‘melting’ in this sense is not a change of aggregate state, but simply the dissociation of the two molecules of the DNA double helix. By the time we reach 60-65 ºC, the cell DNA has started to disintegrate, fat has started melting, the skin cell membrane is made of a kind of fat and nucleus is composed of DNA. Even if I add 40 more degrees the water dipole attraction is not enough to bind water molecules. Everything starts to fall apart. Full chaos." do note, raising it 40 more degrees reaches at minimum 100ºC, or the boiling point of water, so after that point much of the water evaporates, so by the time you reach 200ºC to melt the sugars the flame and heat retardant from the water molecules has mostly expired.

Hm... That seems to justify "inconsistent" melting points, thanks. Never knew I'd learn something from these boards.

Supreme Senpai692 votes

Someone hasn't seen Raiders of the Lost Ark :)

Glory ln Death1 votes

Or The Wizard of Oz.

Skorch1 votes

Actually with Chos body growing rapidly, i dont think bones would be good, He has an exoskeleton.

Bouncemaster Zac3 votes

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Actually with Chos body growing rapidly, i dont think bones would be good, He has an exoskeleton.

It's the opposite. Exoskeletons can't grow. Ever. Look at any existing exoskeletal creature that grows to a notable size. Whenever a Tarantula or Giant Wood Locust (i think thats what theyre called) grows they have to molt their exoskeleton and spend the next few days naked while they grow a new one. Cho would have to have an endoskeleton in order to grow the way he does. Or no skeleton at all.

Skorch1 votes

Probably none at all really,

Sraeg20131 votes

That'd just make him a slug.

He clearly has joints.

Skorch1 votes

Arent crustaceans technically skeletonless?

Sraeg20131 votes

You are mistaking not having a vertebral column (spine) and not having a skeleton.

Skorch1 votes

Do i look like a marine biologist?

Sraeg20131 votes

The joke is, the name comes from the word "crust", so exoskeleton is implied.

But what would I know, I don't even know how to pronounce "crustacean".

ZeichiVos2 votes

That implies that Void creatures follow any of our normal rules of biology. Aurelion Sol's lore suggests that the opposite is the case.

Bouncemaster Zac2 votes

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That implies that Void creatures follow any of our normal rules of biology. Aurelion Sol's lore suggests that the opposite is the case.

True, but again most of what we have is implications.

RG Velean1 votes

Actually, any large creature would prefer an exoskeleton because it will support their massive size. An endoskeleton would collapse

Sraeg20131 votes

Are you sure you got it right?

Exoskeleton is the surface skeleton. Endoskeleton is the internal skeleton.

Exoskeletons are heavier both in density and volume.

RG Velean1 votes

Indeed, it was a mistake for some reason. I think I got it mixed in my head because larger exoskeletons would crush the creature

Sagan Forever1 votes

Opposite is true. That is why small creatures have exoskeletons and large creatures have endoskeletons. An endo skeleton is denser, larger, and less efficient shape for holding weight. Think about it this way a shack has no columns because it is easier to not put a column in a shack. A skyscraper has a large amount of support beams(endoskeleton), becuase it would collapse with the beams. Ants have an exoskeleton and whales have an endoskeliton for a reason.

AbrahamBaconham3 votes

Cho is an extremely old champion however. We've seen that Void creatures DO molt, with Kha'zix's Upgraded Ult, so its not entirely unthinkable to assume that canonically Cho does as well.

Sraeg20131 votes

Or no skeleton at all.

Technically skeleton is any body part that supports the structure of an organism.

bdoubleskyclan131 votes

Jurassic Chogath and Jurassic KogMaw has a weird exoskeleton .

Sraeg20131 votes

Quite the contrary, those are typical endoskeletons.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

I'm really enjoying this community response; thanks for taking the time to reply to my humble thread everyone. :D

SanKakU1 votes

He's a bright monster, so maybe he was sneaky back in the void. The sunlight makes him adapt to a different fighting style.

The mewling increases observation is apparently homage to the idea that there is no sound in the void as was expressed in a music video with various LoL champions being role played by various singers.

Melting point inconsistent observation is probably just him noticing that different champions die at different rates when he starts zapping them. Like a Soraka might be healing from Q, or someone might have bought some lifesteal or something to prolong the suffering. Actually, it's possible that instead this is him having a fascination with heat. In that video that I was thinking about, Malzahar states that there is no light and no sound, but there is dark, death, and cold. So if there is cold, it can be assumed there is little to no heat, thus he would be fascinated by the concept of a melting point perhaps.

Don't really have a comment about the first point of interest you brought up.

AonDor1 votes

Can I just say... this is the nerdiest thread I have ever read... XD ME LIKEY

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