I think i figured out the main reason people ALWAYS despise new lore.

Skorch·11/24/2017, 9:55:38 AM·31 votes·1,925 views

Because it no longer is "This character is..." A lot of characters are getting relationships with others and large backgrounds. When previously it was a short little paragraph that allowed SO much self-influence and guessing on the rest of it.

But now that Riot figured out actual lore and a story. People are upset their personal headcannons arent right. These characters that they once thought they understood every part of, based on a single paragraph and 10 to 15 lines of dialogue, they go completely elsewhere.

And thats not to say that they SHOULD keep old things in tact. If Vlad got a VGU and he wasnt a pun-master there would be problems. BUT characters need to be more than they once were.

The outrage around certain characters becoming Vastayan was way too much.

Another thing is people jump to conclusions WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to fast. For instance, with all of these single paragraphs updates people are rioting that they arent what they want and they "completely changed the character" But riot understands that the old characters FOR SURE still need to be there. Remember when people first saw Viktor in Jayce's lore and everyone was up in arms that he was no longer a morally grey character? And pretty much the lore team said: "Just wait" and when his lore came out everyone was just perfectly fine with it?

People have way to little faith in the lore team. When FULL stories and lore come out i almost NEVER see a complaint. So why does everyone get up in arms at the littlest bit of information?

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NiamhNyx11/24/2017, 10:19:13 AM19 votes

SONA ISNT MY HEAD CANNON BADASS SECRET AGENT FROM ANOTHER WORLD SENT TO DESTROY THE VOID??? WHAT IS THIS???? BLASPHAMY!!!!

I usually pride myself on quick wit, but that took me a full six minutes to think up. Gonna go cry in a corner now.

Quepha11/24/2017, 4:30:43 PM15 votes

No, it’s actually the fact that these characters have had an established backstory for years. It may not have been great but it’s still who they are and who you think about when you select the character. Arbitrary changes to the character feel like Riot is killing off old friends out of boredom.

Think of the Star Wars remasters. The fans don’t give a crap if it was George Lucas’s true vision to unambiguoisly have Greedo shoot first, it still isn’t their Star Wars.

Blood Magicks11/24/2017, 11:17:26 AM11 votes

And thats not to say that they SHOULD keep old things in tact. If Vlad got a VGU and he wasnt a pun-master there would be problems. BUT characters need to be more than they once were.

Unfortunately right now he is less than what he once was. He was a clever, creative twist on a trope. Now he is a carbon copy of it.

Is filling in the gaps of the old short text without hard retconning it too much to ask for? If it's really 10-15 lines and that small then it shouldn't be hard.

EDIT: Also it's fair to say that in the new version he will have even less interaction with main characters as he will be simply too old to give a fuck about whoever is playing soldiers with the Noxus army this century.

Chromatic Eagle11/24/2017, 5:15:00 PM11 votes

They have completely retconned character stories into being different people. Trundle and Xerath for examples. The thing with Viktor’s lore could’ve also been a behind the scenes change based on feedback. It’s not like people should stop showing concern over potential changes. It just needs to be mediated better.

Furor Nexis11/24/2017, 8:50:02 PM10 votes

I'd like to weigh in on this discussion. To counter your point I'd like to bring up Varus.

One of the single biggest reasons that alot of people were upset and infuriated over the snippet that had been put up on PBE was because Varus' characteristics and personality had already been well established. Honor bound, legendarily skilled, father, husband. When all of that was taken away from him he swore to enact his vengeance after striking a deal with the corruption; a legendary power to destroy his enemies that slowly ate at him and taunted him all the way. Everyone who was familiar with Varus acknowledged that while his story may be a little edgy, it was the perfect cocktail for an engaging character.

The new story for him seems to indicate that Varus, the guardian of the Pit of Pallas never existed. Instead it's Varus, the Darkin Bow, and a couple of unknowns who struggle against his sadistic rampage. It's an absolute erasure at it's finest, and as much as the team heading his narrative probably put in painstaking hours for his new lore, his already well-established character will be gone then.

Ebonmaw Dragon11/24/2017, 7:24:57 PM10 votes

Im pretty sure that is not about the headcanon, its about removing the old canon that was already established and it literally removes old characters in order to remplace the characters with new ones that look similar to the old ones, but arent the same.

AirKingNeo11/24/2017, 5:48:38 PM7 votes

Or people just don't like entire characters removed instead of being rewritten to fit the story (Varus, Kayle).

Berserknurple11/24/2017, 8:29:49 PM6 votes

I think something everyone is forgetting about the "new lore" is that in 90% of cases it's just a shortened bio for the client. It's not invalidating the old lore in most cases, that will still be on the universe site. Take Sion, for example. He got a "new lore" paragraph, but it doesn't invalidate his longer first-person bio. I think Nautilus is the same. Nothing in the new lore contradicts his old bio.

The Anagram King11/24/2017, 5:23:41 PM6 votes

There's always going to be someone who hates change.

Why Riot should or shouldn't reton nearly 50% of the characters they touch is definitely a discussion worth having, but ignoring that - change isn't good, just because it's change.

The reason I dislike most of the new lore, is because it seems generic. Characters are losing tropes and characteristics - often being haphazardly inserted into some, existing, faction. It sort of takes away from the character's identity, rather than expanding on the original identity.

I remember snorting in laughter at the Galio changes. That one was my favourite. Turning a solemn statue into a university jock superhero. That one was funny. :P

ZedUsanGovos11/28/2017, 4:33:19 PM3 votes

Not necessarily. My issue with Zed isn't the way he has been described, but the timeline for which he's been set in. There's been a very specific timeline for Zed's life.

The Jhin/Kinkou incident-> Traumatized Zed, leading him down a dark path-> Fails studies and becomes super angsty-> wants to beat Shen-> enter Zed's old lore.

Old Lore: Zed unlocks shadows-> beats Shen-> exiled and creates Order of Shadows-> returns to Kinkou Temple-> Kills Master Kusho-> Slaughters students and controls temple-> Present day Kinkou and Order help fight Noxus, which is when Kayn was found.

New Lore: Zed establishes Order of Shadows DURING the Noxus-Ionia War-> doesn't have ACTUAL SHADOW POWERS-> UNLOCKS SHADOWS DURING THE FUCKING WAR AND WHILE THE ORDER EXISTS. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ORDER WAS BECAUSE HE HAD TAUGHT HIS STUDENTS THE ART OF THE SHADOW, AND NOW HE HAS AN ORDER ABOUT SHADOWS WITHOUT SHADOWS. DURING THE FUCKING WAR THAT ORIGINALLY PRE-DATED THE ORDER. WHAT THE FUCK IS HIS CONNECTION TO JHIN NOW, OR SHEN? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETO PLS.

Kaolla12/11/2017, 2:37:35 PM2 votes

Riot visited the lunch table, removed the mashed potatoes, and put down a plate of cheddar broccoli

Now if you didn't know the mashed potatoes was there, or you don't LIKE mashed potatoes, the cheddar broccoli is fine. if you LIKE cheddar broccoli then you're happy Riot is visiting the table

But if you're a mashed potato fan, or you hate cheddar broccoli then you're going to be a bit miffed that Riot is tampering with your banquet

Add to that the fact that message boards are more of a collective for complaints more often than praises and it will most certainly give the impression that ANY changes will always lead to complaints (which isn't to say the complaints aren't valid, you just have to be able to read deep in order to determine whether there's truth to the dissenting opinions)

The Varus change is as close as i've seen to unanimous unhappy-about-the-change as I have ever seen on a message board. People liked mashed potatoes and just wanted some gravy on top, not for Riot to replace the dish completely

JustARivenMain11/24/2017, 3:28:56 PM2 votes

I'm just happy the "new" Lore for Riven is essentially the same, just a summary of the 4 paragraphs that used to be there. (atleast in Client)

KoKoboto11/24/2017, 5:05:48 PM2 votes

Vayne changes make her a psychopath so I don't like them.

Valor helping Quinn for no reason makes no sense, also really smacked the theory on Quinn and Talon being siblings.

New Diana, Leona, Pantheon, Taric stuff is great. I like the new Urgot and Warwick as well and Mundo.

I'm kinda worried about Volibear and Aatrox.

ZapMyHeart11/29/2017, 6:31:09 AM2 votes

Maybe because the lore team should be held accountable for their shitty stories and plagiarism?

Old Karma: Beautiful, graceful, unnervingly calm Ionian leader who is a master tactician, willing to fight with her country to defend against Noxus. Where she, through the still waters of her forever tranquil mind, discovered her innate magical powers. That was further honed through Janna's teachings and flourished in the battlefield with deadly poise from her parent's fans.

New Karma: Heretic monk who went against the teachings of Ionia when the Fire Nation attacked. Where she lost her nerves and calm by killing someone through cliched "I got hangry, therefore it triggered my innate magic powers to do cool stuff and act like a hero" anime scene. Cool. Seen it a thousand times. Read it a million more. Come up with something better, Rito.

Placeholder Lore: Blatant Ionian ripoff of Avatar: The Last Airbender.