List of Champion Alignments

Fasmodey·Feb 8, 2016·17 votes·6,311 views

I tried to make my best and I just listed one alignment for every champion. Some of them have combined alignments but wrote the dominant one. I'm not the best at this and I'm super open to edit my list. Let me read your opinions. I will comment to wrong aligments, they will probably be combined aligmented champions.

Lawful Evil True Neutral Lawful Good Neutral Good Neutral Good Lawful Good Chaotic Good Lawful Good Lawful Good Lawful Neutral True Neutral Chaotic Evil Neutral Good Lawful Good Lawful Evil Chaotic Evil Neutral Good Neutral Evil Lawful Neutral Chaotic Evil Neutral Evil True Neutral Lawful Evil Chaotic Evil Neutral Good Chaotic Evil Lawful Good Chaotic Good Lawful Good Neutral Evil Lawful Good True Neutral Neutral Good True Neutral Lawful Evil Lawful Good True Neutral Lawful Good Neutral Good Lawful Good True Neutral Neutral Good Lawful Evil Chaotic Evil Lawful Neutral Lawful Good Lawful Evil Lawful Neutral Chaotic Neutral Lawful Neutral Lawful Good Chaotic Evil True Neutral True Neutral Lawful Evil Lawful Neutral Lawful Good Lawful Evil Lawful Neutral Chaotic Neutral Lawful Good True Neutral Lawful Evil True Neutral Lawful Good Lawful Neutral Chaotic Evil Lawful Neutral True Neutral Lawful Neutral Chaotic Neutral Chaotic Good Chaotic Evil True Neutral True Neutral True Neutral Lawful Good Lawful Good Lawful Good True Neutral Chaotic Neutral Chaotic Evil Neutral Good Lawful Neutral Chaotic Good Lawful Good Lawful Neutral Chaotic Evil Lawful Good Lawful Good Lawful Evil Chaotic Evil True Neutral True Neutral Neutral Good Lawful Good Lawful Evil Neutral Evil Lawful Evil Lawful Neutral Lawful Good Lawful Good Chaotic Evil Lawful Good Lawful Evil Lawful Good True Neutral True Neutral True Neutral Lawful Evil Chaotic Neutral Lawful Neutral Chaotic Evil Lawful Evil Lawful Neutral Lawful Neutral Lawful Evil True Neutral Chaotic Evil Lawful Good Lawful Evil Lawful Good Chaotic Neutral Lawful Neutral Chaotic Good Neutral Evil Chaotic Neutral Lawful Neutral Neutral Evil

84 Comments

Malicious MetalFeb 8, 20166 votes

Mordekaiser is everything else BUT chaotic. He doesn't kill just for fun, he's got intricate plans and doesn't do anything on a whim. Ï'd say Lawful or Neutral Evil would suit him better.

FasmodeyFeb 8, 20161 votes

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Mordekaiser is everything else BUT chaotic. He doesn't kill just for fun, he's got intricate plans and doesn't do anything on a whim. Ï'd say Lawful or Neutral Evil would suit him better.

He is chaotic because he doesn't bown to anyone, even to Black Mist. In other say, he is not a entity that would work with you for his benefits. He turns you to a slave rather than leaving you as free minded. He is chaotic because he also doesn't have that much laws. Mordekaiser is not like Karthus. Karthus would give you a chance to live for his benefits, Mordekaiser wouldn't. He sees everyone below himself.

But you must also be right, because Mordekaiser has a complex personality. He seems like he fits to each aligment.

LankPantsFeb 9, 20163 votes

He is chaotic because he doesn't bown to anyone, even to Black Mist.

That's not what makes a character chaotic. A chaotic character is sporadic and emotional, they're often also very passionate especially at the extreme of the chaotic spectrum. The most chaotic of the emotions is rage, chaotic characters often lash out if they feel wrong done to. Mordekaiser is a cool and collected character. He's about as far from chaotic as you can get, I'd say he's actually very lawful.

Laughing FishFeb 9, 20163 votes

I would definitely say lawful evil. He ran an entire kingdom himself at one point, and is now turning the entire shadow isles into his empire. That is the work of a man with nasty, vile, long-term plans.

GreenLoreFeb 8, 20164 votes

Dunno about Aatrox being lawful evil.

All aatrox seems to care about is turning a war into a massacre. He doesn't care what the war is about,he doesn't care with whom he'll side,he just cares about having his fun in the battle.

FasmodeyFeb 8, 20161 votes

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Dunno about Aatrox being lawful evil.

All aatrox seems to care about is turning a war into a massacre. He doesn't care what the war is about,he doesn't care with whom he'll side,he just cares about having his fun in the battle.

And then there is Shaco, who has fun on killing others. Having fun on something doesn't destroy its evilness. War is a bad thing and he is pushing people to kill each other, he has fun on this. He is definitely evil.

GreenLoreFeb 8, 20162 votes

I actually meant that he is closer to chaotic evil than lawful evil.

His actions have no purpose other than carnage and bloodshed

LusdenFeb 8, 20163 votes

Annie is really more Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral - she's finding her own path, and isn't out to either harm or help people in general.

Renekton is Chaotic Neutral, not Chaotic Evil - he's outright insane and cannot tell right from wrong. He's not capable of making moral judgements.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20162 votes

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Annie is really more Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral - she's finding her own path, and isn't out to either harm or help people in general.

Renekton is Chaotic Neutral, not Chaotic Evil - he's outright insane and cannot tell right from wrong. He's not capable of making moral judgements.

'' They will have pain that they never imagined. ''

'' As I live, all will die. ''

'' Carnage. ''

Doesn't matter if he lost his mind, he is currently pretty evil. Joker is also have not a pretty healthy mind but it doesn't change his evilness.

You're right on Annie, I would change it if I could but there is a bug.

RalanrFeb 8, 20162 votes

Pantheon feels more lawful neutral to me. But we need more fleshing out in his lore before we can work with alignment.

Olaf However is lawful neutral and I know it's surprising. Remember that his entire purpose in life is to die in battle, but he doesn't just let a guy stab him through the chest. No, he makes them WORK FOR IT!

Olaf doesn't just want to die in battle! He wants to die fighting with all of his strength! A glorious death! NOTHING LESS!

Ergo, lawful neutral since he will not take the easy route.

Also, is in no way shape or form lawful of any nature. She is Chaotic Good, through and through.

Rumble is more Neutral Evil in that he's A) A racist, and B) Only does things for himself.

Jinx is Chaotic Neutral if nothing more than her reasonings. She just wants to have fun, which usually involves blowing things up. Whether there are people in the buildings is of little concern. And she lives to troll by always escaping her and Caitlyn pursuits.

Chaotic evil people of her nature tend to want screams. She just wants explosions.

FasmodeyFeb 8, 20161 votes

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feels more lawful neutral to me. But we need more fleshing out in his lore before we can work with alignment.

However is lawful neutral and I know it's surprising. Remember that his entire purpose in life is to die in battle, but he doesn't just let a guy stab him through the chest. No, he makes them WORK FOR IT!

doesn't just want to die in battle! He wants to die fighting with all of his strength! A glorious death! NOTHING LESS!

Ergo, lawful neutral since he will not take the easy route.

Also, is in no way shape or form lawful of any nature. She is Chaotic Good, through and through.

is more Neutral Evil in that he's A) A racist, and B) Only does things for himself.

is Chaotic Neutral if nothing more than her reasonings. She just wants to have fun, which usually involves blowing things up. Whether there are people in the buildings is of little concern. And she lives to troll by always escaping her and pursuits.

Chaotic evil people of her nature tend to want screams. She just wants explosions.

Shaco also tries to have fun, but he is definitely evil. Doing something for having fun doesn't destroy its evilness as I said in above.

Vi has laws, because she is piltover cop thing.

You're right on Olaf, and I would definitely change it but I can't, I can't go to below for a retarded problem, I dont know if I'm the only one or not?

RalanrFeb 8, 20163 votes

Vi would do it without the law though. In fact she has.

MrBuffingtonFeb 9, 20162 votes

^ She's sort of the "bad cop" to Caitlyn's "good cop"

Vistha KaiFeb 9, 20162 votes

Syndra Neutral Evil

Some neutral evil villains hold up evil as an ideal, committing evil for its own sake. Most often, such villains are devoted to evil deities or secret societies. Neutral evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents pure evil without honor and without variation.

This isn't Syndra.

A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn't strive to protect others' freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions.

This is Syndra.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20162 votes

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Neutral Evil

This isn't Syndra.

This is Syndra.

Wiki says that:

Neutral evil

A neutral evil character is typically selfish and has no qualms about turning on its allies-of-the-moment, and usually makes allies primarily to further their own goals. A neutral evil character has no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit for themselves. Another valid interpretation of neutral evil holds up evil as an ideal, doing evil for evil's sake and trying to spread its influence. Examples of the first type are an assassin who has little regard for formal laws but does not needlessly kill, a henchman who plots behind their superior's back, or a mercenary who switches sides if made a better offer. An example of the second type would be a masked killer who strikes only for the sake of causing fear and distrust in the community.

Vistha KaiFeb 9, 20162 votes

Wiki indeed says that, but how do you match it to Syndra? In fact it's nothing like her.

Should you find a moment, I suggest reading this essay by OverlordForte. I support everything that was said in that article, as I've came to identical conclusions in the past.

I'll try to summarize it as best as I can... and them summarize it even more.

Syndra was an unique magic wielder from very young age. Because of her carefree (she was a kid after all) usage of the power she was disliked and deemed potentially dangerous. Around her teens she was offered a tutorship in a remote temple. She wasn't forced to go to the temple, it was an offer she eagerly accepted, the old man was suppose to help her develop her magical prowess, no? Years went by and, despite the fact she grew as a mage, she realized something was wrong. She went to the monk and asked him right away. This is where shit went down. He said he was dampening her power, so she can learn to control it better. I'll use OForte's parallel here. Compare it to your duo partner deliberately feeding in your promo matches, because that'd make you a better player. You'd get pissed. Then, when she asked to lift the spell, not only the guy refused to do it and end the farce, but he threatened her! Threatened her to take away something that made her unique and was her only joy in life. For Syndra at the time it was basically a death threat and she couldn't know, if the monk was able to do it. Not only that, but everything she believed in was shattered. She did what everybody in danger would do. She attacked him and between the man's age and her angered state she used too much power and he snapped.

Now the TL;DR.

What you perceive as evil was actually a self-defense. Despite her apperance she may care about people, more than she and others believe she does. She sees the government as lying, full of betrayal and wants to topple it eventually.

Those are characteristics of Chaotic Neutral.

If she was Neutral Evil, she would just kill the guy without even asking why.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20161 votes

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Wiki indeed says that, but how do you match it to Syndra? In fact it's nothing like her.

Should you find a moment, I suggest reading this essay by OverlordForte. I support everything that was said in that article, as I've came to identical conclusions in the past.

I'll try to summarize it as best as I can... and them summarize it even more.

Syndra was an unique magic wielder from very young age. Because of her carefree (she was a kid after all) usage of the power she was disliked and deemed potentially dangerous. Around her teens she was offered a tutorship in a remote temple. She wasn't forced to go to the temple, it was an offer she eagerly accepted, the old man was suppose to help her develop her magical prowess, no? Years went by and, despite the fact she grew as a mage, she realized something was wrong. She went to the monk and asked him right away. This is where shit went down. He said he was dampening her power, so she can learn to control it better. I'll use OForte's parallel here. Compare it to your duo partner deliberately feeding in your promo matches, because that'd make you a better player. You'd get pissed. Then, when she asked to lift the spell, not only the guy refused to do it and end the farce, but he threatened her! Threatened her to take away something that made her unique and was her only joy in life. For Syndra at the time it was basically a death threat and she couldn't know, if the monk was able to do it. Not only that, but everything she believed in was shattered. She did what everybody in danger would do. She attacked him and between the man's age and her angered state she used too much power and he snapped.

Now the TL;DR.

What you perceive as evil was actually a self-defense. Despite her apperance she may care about people, more than she and others believe she does. She sees the government as lying, full of betrayal and wants to topple it eventually.

Those are characteristics of Chaotic Neutral.

If she was Neutral Evil, she would just kill the guy without even asking why.

She didn't kill him because she thought he was giving her power. She was hoping to have more power, but he was only limiting her. So she killed him. Current Syndra's personality is pretty arguable though. You have points too.

Vistha KaiFeb 9, 20161 votes

She didn't kill him because she thought he was giving her power. She was hoping to have more power, but he was only limiting her. So she killed him.

With all due respect, but it sounds as if you either skimmed her lore, or somebody summarized it for you over the phone.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20161 votes

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With all due respect, but it sounds as if you either skimmed her lore, or somebody summarized it for you over the phone.

I play my champions because of their lore and Syndra is one of my mains. People like to make evil people softer. Like killing someone for a reason is not a bad thing.

Vistha KaiFeb 9, 20161 votes

Kill somebody in self-defense. You're now an evil murderer fitting only for a death row.

I mean, you're now accusing me of making Syndra seem "softer" than she actually is, which is true to a degree, albeit a much smaller than you think. What you said about her in your previous comment, however, has nothing to do with "reality".

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20161 votes

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Kill somebody in self-defense. You're now an evil murderer fitting only for a death row.

I mean, you're now accusing me of making Syndra seem "softer" than she actually is, which is true to a degree, albeit a much smaller than you think. What you said about her in your previous comment, however, has nothing to do with "reality".

What do you mean with self-defense? Was the master going to kill her or something that I missed? Like, she could leave the tempest after this explaining easily, she didn't need to kill him.

Vistha KaiFeb 9, 20161 votes

You know that "If you won't stand down, I'll take all of your magic away." thing.

Also did she rip him to shreds? No, she just Force-punched him into a wall. Considering fantasy tropes it rarely kills anybody.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20161 votes

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You know that "If you won't stand down, I'll take all of your magic away." thing.

Also did she rip him to shreds? No, she just Force-punched him into a wall. Considering fantasy tropes it rarely kills anybody.

'' Syndra now aims to grow powerful enough to destroy the weak, foolish leaders of Ionia - and anyone else who would dare to shackle her greatness. ''

What a neutral girl.

Raiku KawisaFeb 8, 20161 votes

Shyvana doesn't exactly fit the 'good' category. She is lawful, I'll give you that, but Lawful Neutral.

FasmodeyFeb 8, 20161 votes

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Shyvana doesn't exactly fit the 'good' category. She is lawful, I'll give you that, but Lawful Neutral.

You may be right because she was one of the hardest to put. She seems like she has both sides.

Raiku KawisaFeb 9, 20161 votes

Well, Lawful fits easy. She is not on terms with Garen in Demacian loyalty, but she dedicates herself to the service of her Prince whom earned her respect in battle and deed. "The enemies of Demacia shall fall" is one of her quotes. She also wants a place where she belongs, a group of people who both respect her and she can respect.

As far as Good or Neutral, she is not exactly the nicest person. "The Rage..." "They are nothing before me." "By the blood of my father, I will end them." She doesn't care about mercy or kind deeds. She has been scorn by dragonkind since her birth. She is not going to go out of her way to cause someone harm, but if they get in her way, their lives are forfeit. She has her own moral code.

LankPantsFeb 9, 20161 votes

Rage isn't an evil emotion, it's a chaotic one.

Shyvana's hard to place because she doesn't fit to the DnD scheme at all. She fluctuates between Chaotic and Lawful. I think the fairest definition for her is true neutral, but unlike most true neutrals she's not a balanced character.

Raiku KawisaFeb 9, 20161 votes

I don't really spend much time looking at alignments so for all i know you are exactly right. But I view the Lawful-Chaotic alignment based on how they treat whatever government they live in. She doesn't struggle against the laws of Demacia, hell she is part of the Royal Guard.

GalactikittenFeb 11, 20161 votes

The lawful alignment is based off of both the character's willingness to follow established laws and rules of their particular society, as well as following a strict personal moral code. A lawful evil character who kills people is probably breaking the law, but still can be considered lawful if those killings fell under their own personal code.

Sassmast3rFeb 9, 20161 votes

May I ask what this "alignment" is? It seems interesting and I can't really apply the definition of alignment to this xD. I'm so confused!

Raiku KawisaFeb 9, 20161 votes

Its from Dungeons & Dragons. Alignment is a general idea of how your character will react to certain things. A Lawful Good character is like Garen. He does what the law of Demacia demands to the letter for the good of Demacia. He never strays from that path. (Also, damn paladins. They make for interesting campaigns, but really annoying to play/play with.

On the flip side is someone like Jinx. She is Chaotic Evil (you could argue neutral... kinda). She kills and destroys just for the hell of it. She hates organized law like the Piltover Police.

There are nine recognized alignments and you can find them here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)

RalanrFeb 9, 20161 votes

I tried paladin once. Liked the smiting and liked being the not soft good guy. But I'm a barbarian lover at heart. Got to unleash my inner rage on some poor motherfuckers who just happen to have a locked door that needs kicking.

GreenLoreFeb 9, 20168 votes

Its the D&D-type of alignment. It basically categorizes characters into the groups of "good","neutral" and "evil" which are all divided into 3 other subgroups about the attitude to the society,"Lawful","neutral" and "chaotic"

A short description would be: Lawful good: A good person who believes in the law(or some sort of Codex).

Neutral Good: A good person who does value the law to some degree,but will break it if it goes against their moral codex

Chaotic Good: A good person who isn't influenced by the law at all(or goes directly against it),think of Robin hood

Lawful Neutral: A person who follows the Law or a codex,without questioning them.

True Neutral: Also known as neutral neutral,people of this alignment are pretty much neutral towards everything(this alignment is kinda hard to pin down).Animals are also considered true neutral.

Chaotic Neutral: Are very often freespirits or lunatics,they might be persons who value their freedom more than anything and don't fall into either good or bad or just people who are too insane to be judged morally(though not everyone who is insane is automatically this)

Lawful evil: An evil person who does follow the law(or again some codex),these are often bad guys in important political positions and

Neutral Evil: A person who does evil things out of self interest.Wether they follow the given laws or not is pretty much irrelevant to them

chaotic evil: A chaotic evil character is someone who does evil things simply because he enjoys doing them or thinks that he has to do them.The joker from batman is probably the most well known example.

If you want to inform yourself a bit more in detail you can look here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterAlignment

Sassmast3rFeb 9, 20162 votes

Oh, thank you for the response! So, how come Diana is Lawful Neutral? Shouldn't she be Lawful Evil? She does follow the Law of the Lunari; in fact she literally worships them, however she's not a nice person. She seems more into the concept of hurting everyone who exiled her, and that very same passion influences her to fight others as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm not that smart when it comes to the lore or interpretation of it, but I do think she's kinda evil.

Angry MonsterFeb 9, 20162 votes

Nice does not equall good. Those that punish criminals are not nice they can be good though. Sometimes being good is doing the dirty work.

Though honestly neutral lawful is a better dia choice. The list is pretty bad and tons of arguments could be made for most of those picked by the OP.

And usually the parts are first described by them being separate thoughts before combining.

Ex Lawful just follows the laws Chaotic random or goes against society.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20162 votes

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Nice does not equall good. Those that punish criminals are not nice they can be good though. Sometimes being good is doing the dirty work.

Though honestly neutral lawful is a better dia choice. The list is pretty bad and tons of arguments could be made for most of those picked by the OP.

And usually the parts are first described by them being separate thoughts before combining.

Ex Lawful just follows the laws Chaotic random or goes against society.

I already said '' neutral lawful '' or Lawful Neutral. You said the same thing.

And I know my list isn't that good. Other then It would take so much time. I looked the champion, tried to remember their personalities and then combined them with alignments. Not a deep work. So that's why I'm trying have help from people.

Angry MonsterFeb 9, 20161 votes

I wasn't even typing to you. Yes i agree with you dia is in the right spot other not nearly so much. Just cause i agree with one of your placements, i did not want the poster thinking i was agreement with everything. The person who i typed to was talking about other things.

And I know my list isn't that good. Other then It would take so much time. I looked the champion, tried to remember their personalities and then combined them with alignments. Not a deep work. So that's why I'm trying have help from people.

LAZY. you did a half ass job and then want other to fix it? Really?

Sassmast3rFeb 9, 20167 votes

Why are you being so rude?

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20163 votes

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Why are you being so rude?

Nah, I stopped typing to this dude anyway.

Like a topic without argument could live.

GreenLoreFeb 9, 20161 votes

Well these kind of things are almost always a bit subjective(except for the really extreme cases). Some people might see a person as evil,while others say the person is neutral(or even good). Diana is one of these champs who I'd personally categorize as evil,but some people here see her more as neutral or outright good.

But in either case I'd say Lawful does fit her pretty well.

LankPantsFeb 9, 20161 votes

There's a few of these that I really don't agree with.

Going in order

Ahri : Is probably a chaotic character, at least historically. I can see true neutral as an argument but I don't think that she really fits into it very well. She's not a balanced character like you'd normally expect from a true neutral.

Gnar : Gnar is a character driven by his rage and emotions. That makes him a very unpredictable chaotic neutral.

Khazix & Rengar : Nowhere in either champ's lore is there a suggestion that Rengar is inherently good or that Kha'zix is evil. The most relevant similarly here is that they're like a hunter hunting a Lion. The Lion hunts to survive, the hunter hunts for sport, arguably the hunter is far more evil. I'd argue that they are both neutral characters however.

Mordekaiser : Morderkaiser shows no chaotic traits. He's a strategical military leader, chaotic characters can't do this well due to their tenancy to act on whims. Morderkaiser shows far more lawful traits in the way he acts.

Shen : A character who lacks emotions isn't anything. He isn't a good or bad character, nor is he lawful or chaotic, in every case a character must act on certain emotions to be in these states. Since Shen completely lacks emotions that makes him true neutral.

Shyvana : This one's a little tricky but I don't think is a good character. She doesn't act for the good of anyone, she only acts because she's told to, either by her emotions or a military superior. I think this shows a neutral alignment. In terms of Lawful and Chaotic she's both. Her two defining character traits are defining traits of both alignments. She often succumbs to her rage and lashes out, which is a clear chaotic trait yet at the same time she's fiercely loyal to her country, which is an important lawful trait. I'd say she's a true neutral who often acts as a chaotic or lawful neutral character.

Syndra : A wounded dog that bites isn't evil. Syndra was put into a corner by the Ionian government and struck back against those who she perceives to have hurt her. I'd say this is more neutral than evil, although she certainly treads the line. She's also definitely a chaotic character, she's heavily emotional and very unpredictable.

Velkoz : Vel'koz doesn't want to destroy anything or anyone. In fact he doesn't care about anything or anyone. All he cares about is knowledge and amassing it. I'd say he's a neutral character.

Zyra : It's implied in Zyra's law that she has minimal ability to think when she kills the only person she's ever relieved to have killed. At this point she's not even true neutral, trying to classify her on the DnD scheme is about the same as trying to classify a venus fly-trap. I'd say if you're going to classify her she's true neutral, mainly because her lore reveals nothing about her.

BeatinWarDrumzFeb 9, 20161 votes

I think you're confused - a sadist can be good (perhaps kinky), and someone who takes no pleasure in the suffering of others (think Anakin Skywalker) can be evil. Someone who is amoral is not neutral just because they aren't going out of their way to hurt ppl - velkoz is definitely evil

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20161 votes

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I think you're confused - a sadist can be good (perhaps kinky), and someone who takes no pleasure in the suffering of others (think Anakin Skywalker) can be evil. Someone who is amoral is not neutral just because they aren't going out of their way to hurt ppl - velkoz is definitely evil

You're right. Crazy Nazi Doctor made so bad things for science on people, does it mean he isn't bad?

LankPantsFeb 9, 20161 votes

I don't think Nazi scientists (doctors still treated people and saved lives in Nazi Germany) is the correct comparison. I think Sky-net is better. Vel'koz is analytical to the point where his own analysis becomes the grounds for his actions above all else.

Vel'koz is trapped by his psychology and compulsion to learn in the same way as Sky-net gets trapped in it's own logic fallacy.

From your over post

Your emotion and purpose on actions don't chance your evilness that much.

Yes they do. Almost every champion in league kills, the only thing that divides them is their reasoning. Vel'koz's reasoning is actually fairly good compared to a lot of champs, he's certainly more pure than Draven for example who kills for entertainment.

Jhin says he is doing it because he must, he can't stop. But it doesn't mean he isn't evil.

Is someone who suffers from schizophrenia (which Jhin seems to) and kills truly evil? I think Jhin acts the way he does due to a psychotic condition. He's already shown to be both obsessive and compulsive in his VO and both of these are common effects of schizophrenia. The condition fits him very well.

I'd say if he is mentally ill he'd actually be neutral, obviously if he's not he's an evil basterd, but it seems far more likely that he is to me. I think that from a very homo-centric point of view Vel'koz could be seen as extremely emotionally impaired in the same way.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20161 votes

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I don't think Nazi scientists (doctors still treated people and saved lives in Nazi Germany) is the correct comparison. I think Sky-net is better. Vel'koz is analytical to the point where his own analysis becomes the grounds for his actions above all else.

Vel'koz is trapped by his psychology and compulsion to learn in the same way as Sky-net gets trapped in it's own logic fallacy.

From your over post

Yes they do. Almost every champion in league kills, the only thing that divides them is their reasoning. Vel'koz's reasoning is actually fairly good compared to a lot of champs, he's certainly more pure than Draven for example who kills for entertainment.

Is someone who suffers from schizophrenia (which Jhin seems to) and kills truly evil? I think Jhin acts the way he does due to a psychotic condition. He's already shown to be both obsessive and compulsive in his VO and both of these are common effects of schizophrenia. The condition fits him very well.

I'd say if he is mentally ill he'd actually be neutral, obviously if he's not he's an evil basterd, but it seems far more likely that he is to me. I think that from a very homo-centric point of view Vel'koz could be seen as extremely emotionally impaired in the same way.

Then how can't you be sure every killers has schizophrenia? It's because Jhin is aware about what he is doing, does it make him less evil? Like, then, we shouldn't have prisons but crazy hospitals.

I didn't see your purpose and emotions dont chance your evilness, but it doesn't that much. Killing a person for fun and doing it because he had to do for satisfaction (like an pill) has no THAT MUCH difference. They're still evil. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be that much evil but neutral guys who kill other people.

Vel'Koz can learn science without hurting others, there must be a way. As we know, Valoran isn't a Middle Age simulation. They're probably a little bit close to our age. So, Vel'Koz has a lot way to learn science but he chose the killing living things.

He says I acknowledge your pain, but he still continue to cause you extreme pain. Like, if you're doing something, do it without pain. He doesn't care about your emotions, he is purely objective, emotionless creature.

LankPantsFeb 9, 20161 votes

Then how can't you be sure every killers has schizophrenia? It's because Jhin is aware about what he is doing, does it make him less evil? Like, then, we shouldn't have prisons but crazy hospitals.

There's a big difference between Jhin and most characters. Jhin shows a lot of hallmarks of schizophrenia other champs just don't.

He has a clear compulsion for an arbitrary number. Schizophrenia often causes people to believe that if they don't do something perfectly and precisely in an arbitrary way it won't work for them. Jhin clearly exemplifies this with his 4 shots and clear compulsion towards doing things 4 times.

He also has delusions of grandeur. He believes that he is truly a great artist and that he has a crowd who appreciates the work he does.

He also says things like "I do this because I must". This can be interpreted in two ways, either he's compulsive in his actions or paranoid and delusional about what could happen if he stops.

So that leaves us with a deranged, compulsive and most likely schizophrenic serial killer. My point is however that Jhin, in his current mental state isn't even really Jhin before his condition set in. It's hard to hold someone accountable when they can't control their own mind.

Also in the real world if a person like Jhin was tried in most countries (basically anywhere not America) he'd be put into a high security psychiatric ward indefinitely unless he recovered from his condition, which given the seeming intensity is highly unlikely.

I didn't see your purpose and emotions dont chance your evilness, but it doesn't that much. Killing a person for fun and doing it because he had to do for satisfaction (like an pill) has no THAT MUCH difference. They're still evil. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be that much evil but neutral guys who kill other people.

There's a large difference between a person who kills for his own or others satisfaction like Draven and someone who kills in a professional army to defend their country like Irelia. I actually don't understand your argument here, motivation is the core determiner of alignment.

For example the person who lead to the creation of mustard gas wasn't trying to invent a weapon, he was just experimenting with chemical reactions. The fact that his chemical was found to be a horrific chemical weapon does not make him evil. The fact it turned out to be an excellent chemotherapy drug also does not make him good. What matters was what he was trying to achieve.

Also yes, the majority of characters in league probably do fall neutral or good. There's actually quite few who can be described as cruel, which I'd say is the core attribute for evil characters.

Vel'Koz can learn science without hurting others, there must be a way. As we know, Valoran isn't a Middle Age simulation. They're probably a little bit close to our age. So, Vel'Koz has a lot way to learn science but he chose the killing living things.

You're assuming that Vel'koz works in the same way as humans. It's implied in the lore that Vel'koz's only way to learn is by destruction.

He says I acknowledge your pain, but he still continue to cause you extreme pain. Like, if you're doing something, do it without pain. He doesn't care about your emotions, he is purely objective, emotionless creature.

He acknowledges your distress, that's the only time that he ever mentions an emotion. The way he says it though is almost as a question, it's almost "Why does my presence cause them distress?". Vel'koz tries to understand emotions but as you said, he's a being of only logic. He's essentially a computer who's been told to learn, and a computer is never evil for carrying out its program.

FasmodeyFeb 9, 20161 votes

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There's a few of these that I really don't agree with.

Going in order

: Is probably a chaotic character, at least historically. I can see true neutral as an argument but I don't think that she really fits into it very well. She's not a balanced character like you'd normally expect from a true neutral.

: Gnar is a character driven by his rage and emotions. That makes him a very unpredictable chaotic neutral.

& : Nowhere in either champ's lore is there a suggestion that Rengar is inherently good or that Kha'zix is evil. The most relevant similarly here is that they're like a hunter hunting a Lion. The Lion hunts to survive, the hunter hunts for sport, arguably the hunter is far more evil. I'd argue that they are both neutral characters however.

: Morderkaiser shows no chaotic traits. He's a strategical military leader, chaotic characters can't do this well due to their tenancy to act on whims. Morderkaiser shows far more lawful traits in the way he acts.

: A character who lacks emotions isn't anything. He isn't a good or bad character, nor is he lawful or chaotic, in every case a character must act on certain emotions to be in these states. Since Shen completely lacks emotions that makes him true neutral.

: This one's a little tricky but I don't think is a good character. She doesn't act for the good of anyone, she only acts because she's told to, either by her emotions or a military superior. I think this shows a neutral alignment. In terms of Lawful and Chaotic she's both. Her two defining character traits are defining traits of both alignments. She often succumbs to her rage and lashes out, which is a clear chaotic trait yet at the same time she's fiercely loyal to her country, which is an important lawful trait. I'd say she's a true neutral who often acts as a chaotic or lawful neutral character.

: A wounded dog that bites isn't evil. Syndra was put into a corner by the Ionian government and struck back against those who she perceives to have hurt her. I'd say this is more neutral than evil, although she certainly treads the line. She's also definitely a chaotic character, she's heavily emotional and very unpredictable.

: Vel'koz doesn't want to destroy anything or anyone. In fact he doesn't care about anything or anyone. All he cares about is knowledge and amassing it. I'd say he's a neutral character.

: It's implied in Zyra's law that she has minimal ability to think when she kills the only person she's ever relieved to have killed. At this point she's not even true neutral, trying to classify her on the DnD scheme is about the same as trying to classify a venus fly-trap. I'd say if you're going to classify her she's true neutral, mainly because her lore reveals nothing about her.

Syndra is a selfish, power maniac, ego hungry, evil person. She is not trying to be evil, like she has point for herself, but she would crush anyone on her path, even innocent kids.

If Syndra could become powerful when she killed innocent people, she would do it without doubt. She doesn't care about others. Syndra is between evilness and neutral though, but I see her more on the edge of evilness. In other say you have point too.

Shen lacks emotions, but his purpose are on more likely good path. Because he tries to shut down evil people, not good people. He is trying to have perfect balance, but in this purpose he doesn't hunt people '' because they're good ''.

Rengar point is a bit tricky for me. Because he had fun with playing Gnar until it had been too much. He seems like a nice guy in non-hunting life. But I can be also wrong.

You're right on Kha'zix.

Ahri cares about human life and she sees them valuable if they're not wasting. I think she is balanced about it. She is neither good or bad. She is neither lawful or chaotic. She is a little bit emotional but she can get over from it, as we saw it in short story.

You're right on Mordekaiser.

Shyvana is a tricky one, she is one of combined alignmented champions. She fits to both, or she doesn't fit to anyone, whatever.

You're right on Gnar.

I said Zyra is evil because she made an evil laugh in the end of her story. Her story doesn't give that much, she is more likely neutral but she can also be evil. Anyway, you're most likely right.

RalanrFeb 9, 20161 votes

As much as I don't like defending Syndra, her teacher wasn't exactly free of retribution since he threatened to take her powers away.