He seems to be just an amorphous blob .... but is he male ? He sounds male... and I inevitably see artwork with him and Riven leading me to believe that he most certainly is a male character. Zac , while a male name, is simply an acronym (if I recall). So what's the deal?
Ebonmaw Dragon6 votesZAC is technically Genderless.
And about the "paired with Riven" thing, there are 2 possible origins (that could be related)
In the splash art of Battle Bunny Riven, you can see a silhouette shaped like ZAC... that seems to be "blushing" due the drops of water/wine and light effects.
The other possible origin, is that a random dude asked for tons of pictures of Zac x Riven in the internet, and people did what that random dude said.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZsG7bk0x,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-30T01:47:26.451+0000)
The other possible origin, is that a random dude asked for tons of pictures of Zac x Riven in the internet, and people did what that random dude said.
Wow I'd never even heard of that, thanks.
Boulderox1 votesthat actually was confrmed to be a teaser for zec, such as braums teaser in winter wonder lulu mustache poro.
TNHA Baritone1 votesWhy does his In-game lore say
he grew up to be a fierce hero
Ebonmaw Dragon3 votes[{quoted}](name=Karma Mechanix,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZsG7bk0x,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-04-30T04:23:49.075+0000)
Why does his In-game lore say
Fine, i used the wrong word: ZAC is Asexual.
Because ZAC identifies himself as male... But he still being an artificial amorphous organic substance.
His Gender is Masculine, but he still being a asexual creature.
Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.
Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine
Sharjo1 votesBasically sex is what your body has physically while gender is what you consider yourself and sexual preference is how you swing.
Fun fact: some people's sexual preference is asexual in that they really just don't give much of a toss about such things.
1 800 MID LANE1 votesGender and sex are synonymous in the context here.
Dominick Destine1 votesGender and sex are synonymous
Fixed.
Gender is just a word used to substitute for 'sex' in forms and the like, they're the same thing.
Helmight3 votes... No they're not? The word "sex" is used in reference to biological traits, while "gender" is used for the characteristics that societies define. Look up the definitions, if you don't believe me.
In the case of BuffsOP's post, the terms are synonymous in context because Zac doesn't have any sexual traits - he's just a giant blob. The only thing he can really have is gender, which he's defined as male.
Dominick Destine1 votes... No they're not? The word "sex" is used in reference to biological traits
Sex is the determination of an individual's chromosomal make-up. I.e. XX = Female XY = Male Based on the last two chromosomes of an individual (last pair of the 23 pairs)
This is pretty basic embryology, man. Any/all medical textbook support this.
while "gender" is used for the characteristics that societies define.
"Society" is a meaningless buzzword. Look up any medical textbook and tell me if "Gender" is defined as anything remotely close to what you are talking about rather than ... not existing.
Look up the definitions, if you don't believe me.
Maybe you should do that.
In the case of BuffsOP's post, the terms are synonymous in context because Zac doesn't have any sexual traits - he's just a giant blob.
"Sexual traits"? sex is determined by chromosomes... we do not know what Zac's sex is but he seems to be male.
The only thing he can really have is gender
Except that doesn't exist...
The point of the thread was to see if Riot had recently issued any sort of statement with regards to it , also questioning the strange Riven/Zac artwork, but they have both been answered. Zac's sex is male... and the artwork was some sort of strange popular commission work.
Sumec1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZsG7bk0x,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-04T22:33:34.239+0000)
Sex is the determination of an individual's chromosomal make-up. I.e. XX = Female XY = Male Based on the last two chromosomes of an individual (last pair of the 23 pairs)
This is pretty basic embryology, man. Any/all medical textbook support this.
"Society" is a meaningless buzzword. Look up any medical textbook and tell me if "Gender" is defined as anything remotely close to what you are talking about rather than ... not existing.
Maybe you should do that.
"Sexual traits"? sex is determined by chromosomes... we do not know what Zac's sex is but he seems to be male.
Except that doesn't exist...
The point of the thread was to see if Riot had recently issued any sort of statement with regards to it , also questioning the strange Riven/Zac artwork, but they have both been answered. Zac's sex is male... and the artwork was some sort of strange popular commission work.
I assume that's why all hospitals determine sex by checking the chromosomes of the infant instead of taking a cursory glance at their genitalia.
Oh wait, they don't.
Dominick Destine1 votesI assume that's why all hospitals determine sex by checking the chromosomes of the infant instead of taking a cursory glance at their genitalia.
Which are caused by those two chromosomes (Last pair (XY/XX)).
Do you even know what chromosomes are/do? or did the newborn get a "sex-reassignment surgery" in-womb?
Sumec1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZsG7bk0x,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-04T22:58:28.804+0000)
Which are caused by those two chromosomes (Last pair (XY/XX)).
Do you even know what chromosomes are/do? or did the newborn get a "sex-reassignment surgery" in-womb?
Intersex conditions are a thing that happens pretty often, yo. Genital development are caused by hormones, which are influenced by chromosomes, the chromosomes themselves don't result in a penis forming in 12 weeks. Shit happens, and this is why we have male fish with a female reproductive tract, or female eggs found in male testes. It's why we have women who are born XY with testes instead of ovaries because there is other shit going on.
You are drastically oversimplifying the one field you're clinging to, and completely undermining Psychology and Psychiatry.
Dominick Destine1 votesIntersex conditions are a thing that happens pretty often.
First of all, no. There are hermaphrodites which are incredibly rare congenital defects. These are not "pretty often" occurrences, these are , last I checked, less than 0.01% of births.
Genital development are caused by hormones
u wot m8 ?
which are influenced by chromosomes
LOL?
Uhh, have you ever read a medical textbook on embryology? you have zero clue. Not only is what you said wrong, it is apocalyptically wrong, you'd be laughed out of a classroom if you argued such nonsense.
1- Hormones are not what you think they are. 2- Embryological development (In the way we are describing) is due to chromosomal make-up, not by hormones. Hormones have NOTHING to do with sex. 3- ZAC seems to be male by all accounts. The thread was over awhile ago.
Embryology has established these things for over 50 years, so please, educate yourself before spouting such tremendous nonsense.
You are drastically oversimplifying
Sure, tell that to every medical textbook on embryology ever published. LOL.
Sumec1 votesFirst of all, no. There are hermaphrodites which are incredibly rare congenital defects. These are not "pretty often" occurrences, these are , last I checked, less than 0.01% of births.
If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life.
Given the size of the world's population and the regularity of births, that's still "Pretty Often." It's likely happening somewhere in the world every day, and if not that - at least every week. This is especially true when you consider that the places with the highest birth rates are ones that have less medical aid, and also exposed to worse conditions which can have an effect on growth in the womb.
Also, I've never heard anyone who isn't an ancient fossil refer to genital anomalies or intersex conditions as 'hermaphrodites', this doesn't even make sense because a proper hermaphrodite does not exist in the human species.
Uhh, have you ever read a medical textbook on embryology? you have zero clue. Not only is what you said wrong, it is apocalyptically wrong, you'd be laughed out of a classroom if you argued such nonsense.
And we're all so grateful to you for telling us we're wrong without explaining the validity of your argument. "Embryology lol" "Has the weight of history and 50 years lol" are not valid arguments, and you would be "Laughed out of the class" for framing your argument that way.
Hormones are not what you think they are.
I think hormones are chemical messengers carried through the body's blood stream that instruct the body to carry out certain bodily functions and developments, including when it's time to start puberty, which sexual characteristics emerge, and the forming of a foreskin and penis in the womb.
What did you think I think hormones are, and explain to me how this is wrong, please.
2- Embryological development (In the way we are describing) is due to chromosomal make-up, not by hormones. Hormones have NOTHING to do with sex.
They just instigate or fail to instigate the physical changes we use to determine sex at birth and in adolescence. I fail to see how my point that sex is a messy not black and white subject is invalidated. Though I'm sure XX IS FEMALE XY IS MALE is a handy way to keep your view of biology simple. Right up there with 'femaleness is defined by its ability to give birth'.
3- ZAC seems to be male by all accounts. The thread was over awhile ago.
Oh good then I guess your position is beyond reproach because thread is over, nothing to see here folks.
Sure, tell that to every medical textbook on embryology ever published. LOL.
Or you could be less obnoxious and defend your position with reasons instead of just saying "Sex is XX/XY this I know, for my textbook tells me so."
Dominick Destine1 votesIf you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births.
There are multiple weasel phrasing in there. "Noticeably atypical" is not a medical term, at all and has zero value in the field of medicine.
I think hormones are chemical messengers carried through the body
"Chemical messenger"? that's pretty nonsensical. The rest of what you said was downright laughable.
Once again, look it up. Googling basic terms is not a crime.
They just instigate or fail to instigate the physical changes we use to determine sex at birth and in adolescence.
What in the @#*$&% are you even talking about anymore? did you lose the plot?
I fail to see how my point that sex is a messy not black and white subject is invalidated.
Because basic medical facts. Not sure how you failed to understand that.
Though I'm sure XX IS FEMALE XY IS MALE is a handy way to keep your view of biology simple.
If by "simple" you mean "correct/medically accurate" then yes, yes it is.
Or you could be less obnoxious
Your "Hurt Feelings" are not an argument.
defend your position with reasons instead of just saying "Sex is XX/XY this I know, for my textbook tells me so."
I don't have to defend "my position" because I do not have a "position" beyond reality; You argue emotion, you argue fantasy. I argue reality, facts, logic and reason.
I refer to medical textbooks like Langmann's embryology and Guyton's Physiology, world reknown medical textbook for over 50 years being updated constantly. The statements I've made are established medical fact.
You're just talking nonsense from beginning to end. Facts dictate reality. Not your Tumblr ideology. Thread over, you got trounced.... facts will always defeat your "Feelz".
DeathBurst1 votesOh, so you're not condescending (and wrong) only on the gameplay sub-board? Damn, and today was a good day...
Dominick Destine1 votesOh, so you're not condescending (and wrong) only on the gameplay sub-board?
I'm not wrong on either, but your insecurity is noted and dismissed.
Sharjo3 votesThe other possible origin, is that a random dude asked for tons of pictures of Zac x Riven in the internet, and people did what that random dude said.
This is legitimately what happened; one guy commissioned a crap ton of Zac x Riven art in varying degrees of tameness from cute to NSFW. It spiraled out of control from there.
Hullabaloo9071 votesNow some fanfic person is furiously drawing
Blood Magicks4 votesHe's paired with Riven because once upon a time there was this guy who was into furry rape. His name was Niels. He tracked down every League fan artist on tumblr and DA and whatever and commissioned pictures and also porn of his ship (Zac x Riven). He commissioned so many eventually it became a thing.
That's the story of how this ship came to be.
Boulderox4 votesDitto can be whatever you want baby
Horidas3 votesDue to their biological situation, they'd be genderless, but they probably IDENTIFY as male.
Dominick Destine1 votesDue to their biological situation, they'd be genderless, but they probably IDENTIFY as male.
Riven and Zac are male...? Riven is female that is obvious, I was talking about Zac.
EndGamer113 votesHe was using confusing plural (yet gender-neutral) pronouns to refer to the singular ZAC.
Dominick Destine2 votesHe was using confusing plural (yet gender-neutral) pronouns to refer to the singular ZAC.
Ah yes, so he was wrong.
Got it.
DeathBurst1 voteshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
It typically occurs with an antecedent of indeterminate gender.
For someone who claims they don't know ZAC gender, it's quite ironic to dismiss the proper use of a gender-neutral pronoun when referring to ZAC.
Dominick Destine1 votesTries to use wiki as a source. Day. Made.
Also the link in the open wiki referring to an entirely different type of grammatical rule... fail all around.
DeathBurst1 votesHo, the wiki was just a starting point, in case you wanted to correct yourself. I'm not really surprised you don't want to, but at least I tried, and I'm not here to make your homework for you.
Pro-tip: on wikis, there are these wonderful things called "references" and "bibliographies". You should have a look. It's great.
Dominick Destine1 votesPro-tip
And here's one for you youngling; There is never a reason to link to wikipedia instead of the actual source. Wikipedia is an open source, free editable site. What matters is not what is written on wiki but rather the sources themselves the corroborate the information.
Which , despite you ignoring the part where I destroyed your flimsy argument, I stated that the content was not related to what was being discussed, you failed all around, etc, gg'd hard.
ViashinoWizard3 votesI'd probably find Zac x Riven harder to comprehend if Zac didn't have such a stellar personality.
I mean, I'd date a Jell-o cup if it had that voice and positive attitude.
japan hate acc2 votesHe doesn't have a sex. As for the Zac x Riven, it's just weird and frankly disgusting to me; some people say it's because in the background of Battle Bunny Riven Zac is there, but Talon is too and that makes much more sense. Think about it; they have 2 skins in common, and they were good friends (maybe more). How likely is it Riven escaped Noxus without some help, too?
Dominick Destine1 votesHe doesn't have a sex.
That's where I was leaning towards, he seems pretty amorphous to me.
Sounds male though.
Hige2 votesfor all intents he could be female and riven could be a lesbian but why would that affect anyone?
Stars Shaper2 votesHe is paired with Riven because he made his first appearance in the Riven Bunny skin splash art, leading the most easily aroused players to take as a given that this meant he had a romantic relationship with Riven.
Stained Spear1 voteshttp://imgur.com/MHduE0t tell me thats not sexy
TNHA Baritone1 votesThe fact that you called him a "he" means you already know the answer....
but is he male
that he most certaintly is a male character
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Karma Mechanix,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZsG7bk0x,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-04-30T01:48:02.682+0000)
The fact that you called him a "he" means you already know the answer....
Yes because he sounds male, but I'm uncertain.
I am going by voice. Not sure how you failed to understand that.
TNHA Baritone1 votesUnsure how you failed to understand that deep voices and ...you know? LORE ENTRIES....
It clearly says it in his lore that he is a male.
Quit trying to throw shots at ppl when you failed to even check his lore.
Dominick Destine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Karma Mechanix,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZsG7bk0x,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-04-30T04:22:51.154+0000)
his lore.
You do realize that the lore was chucked entirely a long time ago, right?
I don't even know what is canon and what is non canon anymore.... for awhile it was thought that Cass and Kat weren't even sisters anymore.
SSmotzer1 votesZac has no biological sex, he is mentally male gendered but, biologically, his sex doesn't matter.
Digielf1 voteszac is obviously male and he appeared first on the fight in battle bunny rivens splash art
DREADN0UGHT1 votesZaun Amorphous Combatant: ZAC
Meep Man1 votesYou call him a he in your own post, so you answer your own question.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZsG7bk0x,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-04-30T22:18:23.307+0000)
You call him a he in your own post, so you answer your own question.
Yeah but I wasn't sure.
I am sure now though. I thought he was male because of the voice... I was right. ZAC is a dude. He's a mo foing bro (It's not how much you can lift, it's HOW GOOD YOU LOOK) YEAH. Zac ftw.
Rabid Husky1 voteswell he is voiced by arguably the manliest voice of all time patrick warburton sooo...
Darius Strada1 votesTo the first question:He's genderless.
To the second question:People are retarded.
