Kayle and Morgana are not Darkin or Shuriman Ascended

Fasmodey·8/27/2018, 9:19:25 PM·11 votes·10,285 views
Mafros99's comment from discussion "just one thing, can we all agree to not act like crybabies when the rework eventually arrives like some others did (not naming any champs)"

Reav3 confirms that.

He also continues with how Diana, Leona, Taric, Pantheon and Zoe are technically Ascended as well.

It is almost confirmed that Kayle and Morgana are gonna be Aspects. It would be interesting as how 3 out of 7 Aspects are demacian origin. (I remember a rioter saying Mount Targon and Demacia share their culture significantly. Maybe that's the reason 40~% of known Aspects are demacian.)

37 Comments

mrmeddyman8/27/2018, 10:04:26 PM15 votes

There needs to be a meaningful delineation between what an Aspect and an Ascended are.

An Aspect is supposed to be an avatar of a greater celestial power, to do their will on Runeterra An Ascended uses the celestial power of the Sun via the Sun Disc to imbue the themselves with power

They draw power from the same well but they are NOT the same thing. The meaningful difference, yet shared nature of their power is what drew me to the lore please don't homogenize them.

What's so cool about the Ascended and the Aspect and the relationship between Targon and Shurima is that it's suggested that Targon gave Shurima the Sun Disc to create warriors capable of facing the Void during the great Void War. Shurima formed a culture around the Sun Disc worshipping the sun and eventually used it's power to form a full-blown empire. They became prideful calling themselves god-warriors even Azir was a victim of this pride which led to their fall. When the Empire fell, the Ascended showed the true nature in their hearts and became Darkin, giving into to their base desires for power. And when it gets out of hand and someone has to clean up this mess it's Targon that had to fix it, devising the method for containing the Darkin in their weapons.

This is a beautifully crafted relationship between the two nations. Shurima thought they were godly warped their whole culture around the power of the sun, but that power was never theirs to begin with. They were just puppets of the Targonians the whole times. It humanizes the Ascended and shows that even these "gods" are capable of folly.

I was excited about the Iceborn as well. Being that are cut from the same cloth but emissaries of The Void. I really wanted to see the procedure they went to to become Iceborn. The meaningful difference being that Iceborn is hereditary. A Sunborn probably can't reproduce and have kids with powers but the Iceborn can because they maintain human form. Now I'm a little skeptical if this is true.

Look I made a thread when Kayle and Morgana were announced showing how they could still be human when Aatrox calls them Ascended because they need to look similar to their original design.

The tl;dr is to make Kayle and Morgana sister mages forced to flee from Demacia after their powers are discovered, they flee to Shurima together and Kayle ATTEMPTS to become Ascended while Morgana tries to dissuade her from it. This way Aatroxs' quotes still make sense and the adversial nture of Kayle vs Morgana is expanded upon by looking closer at their family relationship.

You can read the full thing here

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/5Ze9bjn1-theory-on-kayle-and-morganas-relationship-and-origin

Please do not change established rules of the universe just to make Kayle and Morgana work I beg you, Riot.

Oleandervine8/27/2018, 9:23:49 PM6 votes

WTF is their lore doing is nothing is going to be locked in place anymore? Why even have differentiation if everyone's Ascended, all the bad guys are Void, and anyone else uses hextech.

Like, Riot, your lore is starting to severely homogenize. Different things make the universe and world you're building unique. Wrapping all the characters of mythic origin in on themselves and all the villains too just makes everything dull and bland. At this point, it was almost better if there wasn't an interconnected lore since all the stories fleshed out a vivid, rich reality, instead of becoming "VOID, ON ICE!" or "ASCENDED, IN PIRATELAND!"

Meritas8/28/2018, 11:08:42 AM4 votes

You're Ascended, you're Ascended, everyone's Ascended!

Camille Ferrøs8/28/2018, 11:18:22 AM4 votes

I can die in peace now. Knowing that they aren't mashed up in the shurima fiasco

Whyte Lyon8/28/2018, 12:11:21 AM4 votes

Commentary unrelated to thread's topic but kudos to the Kayle Mains for proposing some sensibility out of their small community for when their champ is re-released. If only the boards community had the same self-awareness that harassment of the devs is just childish and cringy.

GreenLore8/27/2018, 10:53:31 PM3 votes

Pretty much what I've been saying ever since the darkin update.

One rioter confirmed that the form you take during ascension is heavily based on your personal ideals and culture.

So the shurimans ascend into animal-gods because they have a lot of animal symbology in their culture(the golden bird is possibly a symbol for leadership hence why Azir turned into one) and a targonian would ascend into something space-related(which is essentially what the aspects do).

EDIT:Here's the post for those that are interested in it: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/ineA9uOv-the-darkin-lores-are-incredible-i-just-have-one-question?comment=000a

I guess they are either something from Targon or they are ascended from another faction(possibly Demacia since thats where the map puts them)

Sukishoo8/27/2018, 11:24:40 PM2 votes

I always knew they weren't gonna become Darkin. Just because the Aatrox and Urgot interactions people got the wrong idea.

Warlord Rhinark8/28/2018, 8:09:37 AM2 votes

Interesting.

If Kayle and Morgana are both "ascended" of Targon, does that mean they embody something?

Like how Leona embodies the Sun and Diana embodies the Moon?

Or are "ascended" and "aspects" two different things?

Also, @SSmotzer won't like this.

Jerry SeinfeId8/28/2018, 6:26:50 PM1 votes

I'd rather see them not related to either of those, but there's probably a reason demacia exiles people to targon.

If we'd get a demacian kind of ascended (as opposed shuriman or even aspects) to that would be interesting but cause alot of problems with the whole "no magic" thing going on there.

I would honestly find it more interesting if kayle and morg were both magic users from demacia. Morgana being tied to freedom so heavily would be persuing magic and maybe get some bad influence or atleast be perceived as evil because of the dark nature of her magic. Lux and taliyah kinda make it clear you don't always have control over what kinda magic you have. Kayle would be difficult to write i think but maybe seeing a character accept passing those boundaries in the name of justice would be interesting. Though that might conflict with the current garen.

Deathhawk8888/28/2018, 2:26:22 AM1 votes

Then we’ll get a full 360 on the lore and they’ll be referred to as Kaayle and Morgaana. /s

Ebonmaw Dragon8/28/2018, 2:30:16 AM1 votes

I dont understand... if you say that the Aspects (Diana, Leona, Taric, Pantheon and Zoe) are technically Ascended as well, and then you say that "It is almost confirmed that Kayle and Morgana are gonna be Aspects"... then that means that "It is almost confirmed" that Kayle and Morgana are gonna be technically Ascended as well

Flamu8/28/2018, 6:48:21 AM1 votes

So you are telling me that the iceborn are void (watchers are from the void right?) ascended or something?

The Highest Noon8/28/2018, 2:15:15 PM1 votes

Y'know, I was kinda hoping that they'd be Vastayan...

I'm not really paying attention to all the lore talk tho lol