Dear Riot: Don't listen to the haters

Electro522··74 votes·6,013 views

Quite a few people are saying they dislike the new Blood Moon Diana splash because it "contradicts the skin line's lore".

You know what I have to say to that?

SCREW THAT!!!

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iy7-i4r2G_k/WIe2ZJsFsKI/AAAAAAAAco4/3Busi46UyPAuqVXc46V3nN443o04My-zQCLcB/s640/Diana_Splash_11.jpg

This splash is absolutely fantastic! One of, if not THE BEST splash to be released! I don't care if it contradicts the lore. Skin lore isn't even cannon to the League Universe. I would much rather have a fantastic looking splash and skin, then Riot bending down to people who want "skin lore consistency".

LEAVE IT AS IS! PLEASE!!!!!!!

75 Comments

Slythion9 votes

what's not accurate about it again?

Electro52215 votes

Akali is meant to be the only human in the set, whereas every other champ is meant to be a demon of sorts. Since Diana shows her face in this, it means shes human, and not a demon, and thus, contradicts the whole thing.

CasterGilgamesh4 votes

what if Diana is a goddess coming down to defend her believers from the demons of the blood moon

Tattersall13 votes

Honestly, just from looking at the splash, it seems to me that Diana is a human who has made a pact with a demon who gives her power when her mask is on. That is to say, the mask is a demon. Which means that the in-game champion her(it?)self is a demon.

I mean, just look at how the mask has the red symbol on the forehead, and then Diana has a similar glowing mark that looks like it's been burned into her forehead. Seems pretty demonic to me. Also, where does it even say that Akali's supposed to be the only human?

Valaran Nara5 votes

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Honestly, just from looking at the splash, it seems to me that Diana is a human who has made a pact with a demon who gives her power when her mask is on. That is to say, the mask is a demon. Which means that the in-game champion her(it?)self is a demon.

I mean, just look at how the mask has the red symbol on the forehead, and then Diana has a similar glowing mark that looks like it's been burned into her forehead. Seems pretty demonic to me. Also, where does it even say that Akali's supposed to be the only human?

It's old lore. The original blood moon skins (Akali and Shen) were representative of a festival that the two champions took part in. Akali played the human girl who was scared of a wretched demon. to face her fears, she donned a mask similar to the demon's. Because of this, she scared the demon away and survived.

That is why "lore" wise, it doesn't fit. Even though the old lore was retconned, the lore behind the skins could have been the play itself and not the champions rehearsing it. At which point, the fact that Akali is not the only one just "wearing" a mask makes a statement.

Tattersall11 votes

I know that lore, but nowhere did it say that Akali was the only human. Even if we say that the skins are the Ionian myth and not just Shen in a costume, Akali doesn't have to be the only human. I mean, let's say Blood Moon Shen is the demon. And Blood Moon Akali is the girl from the story. And Blood Moon Kalista is how the spirit of vengeance is seen in Ionian culture (that one's confirmed). It still doesn't say anywhere that Blood Moon Yasuo is a demon. It doesn't say he's not a demon either, it doesn't say anything about him.

Man, I'm bad at writing.

What I'm trying to say is that Blood Moon Diana doesn't break the "lore" any more than the last five Blood Moon skins did. Am I the only one who thinks it's annoying that they're not called Bloodmoon, as opposed to Blood Moon, two words?

yay nibbers4 votes

To expand on the festival point, who's to say other women cant portray the girl in the play? Why is Akali the only one allowed to play the part? Did any of the people bitching actually read the lore?

Placentas3 votes

Her recall reflects that as well

NewGuy1014 votes

Dude, your comment about the mask granting her powers made me think of Majora's Mask. They should make a Majora's Mask skin for Teemo/Veigar.

Baron of Bread3 votes

A human face doesn't mean she is a human. I mean really, there are tons of spirits and whatnot that appear very close to human. Look at Elise's Blood Moon skin, she looks like a human half the time. Diana even transforms into a spirit thing when she ults.

midnight oil248 votes

I don't think changes are necessary, but it would be cool to see the scorn of the moon have the bloody blood moon in the background of her splash. I personally don't give a rat's ass about the face.

InHaruhiWeTrust4 votes

the splash is one of, if not the best splash in the game IMO. the skin itself is pretty bad though.

Who the hell said this splash was bad?

6FlagsFunnelCake3 votes

I don't get it. How can it be "inconsistent" if Blood Moon was literally derived off of the idea of people wearing costumes. The first two Blood Moon skins were that of Shen & Akali, who (in the old lore) wore those as costumes to honor the story that the Blood Moon festival derives off of. If anything, this seems perfect as Diana is all about the moon.

Sraeg20133 votes

Am I going to regret getting Lunar Goddess and not waiting for this skin? Because it looks like I am going to regret it.

Nah, I won't. Made a decision to not buy a single RP after the DQ farce.

Still the skin looks sweet.

Only got a problem with the death animation being too dark. Other skins have it bright, in this case she kinda instantly snaps out of existance.


As for people thinking it's not accurate, remember one thing:

This skin line "canon" is a fucking theatre performance. Shen and Akali performed the story durning an Ionian festival.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/98/Festivaloffire1-0.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141121133628

Pakku Ito 1 votes

Jhin is it a performance by Jhin tho

Electro5221 votes

Her snapping out existence for her death animation is probably just because they haven't finished it yet. Similar to how TF's backing animation isn't finished.

Sraeg20131 votes

Unless they change it completely, but so far it looks like a recolor of her base death animation.

I don't really see it being changed.

Knalxz3 votes

To my knowledge no one is upset that Diana is human and got the skin people are upset that the only champion that is Moon themed finally get's put into a moon themed skin line and the skin is just another throw away shit tier skin. There's nothing specially about it despite the fact that Diana lives for the moon.

If feels more like they tried to minimum cost and maximize profits by taking what they know people have been asking to get for years and doing nothing special with it. The skin feels like it's too low of a grade for her specially since Diana doesn't have any high tier skins.

KuroCaliber2 votes

RIOT bent down to give you the skin, they can bend to make it accurate

Electro5226 votes

And?

Why not just be happy they're releasing a Blood Moon skin for Diana in the first place?

AND, its skin lore! It doesn't matter! But if it does matter that much to you...

Whats wrong with having 2 humans in the set, instead of one? What if she is actually putting on the mask, which will turn her into a demon? What if she is part human and part demon?!?!?

Have a little imagination! That's the point of the skins anyway!

KuroCaliber2 votes

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And?

Why not just be happy they're releasing a Blood Moon skin for Diana in the first place?

AND, its skin lore! It doesn't matter! But if it does matter that much to you...

Whats wrong with having 2 humans in the set, instead of one? What if she is actually putting on the mask, which will turn her into a demon? What if she is part human and part demon?!?!?

Have a little imagination! That's the point of the skins anyway!

Look blood Moon is my favorite skin line because it had a lot of history and a consistent theme. That Diana gets to walk all over that theme just because she gets the skin isn't right. People asked for a blood Moon skin, and they should get one, not this half correct mockery.

Electro5226 votes

With the release of these skins, there are 12 Blood Moon skins. You honestly can't expect for Akali to be the ONLY human in such a large skin line. 2 humans, 10 demons........that sounds pretty consistent to me.

HeresyUntoFedex3 votes

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And?

Why not just be happy they're releasing a Blood Moon skin for Diana in the first place?

AND, its skin lore! It doesn't matter! But if it does matter that much to you...

Whats wrong with having 2 humans in the set, instead of one? What if she is actually putting on the mask, which will turn her into a demon? What if she is part human and part demon?!?!?

Have a little imagination! That's the point of the skins anyway!

You know, if it was a dude, then that lore would have worked for me. Honestly the whole 'pretty girl face sells' thing is just boring as all hell anymore. The splash is FANTASTIC quality wise, but what it's portraying is just so bland.

Also want to point out that this is like the third unarmored/'skimpy' Diana skin, when at her release she was praised as one of the first females in LoL to wear something resembling conventional armor. It's interesting how a character's identity can twist and change over time.

Electro5225 votes

I'd argue about Lunar Goddess being "skimpy". Does it show cleavage? Yeah, but it it's pretty far from what I would call "skimpy".

HeresyUntoFedex2 votes

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I'd argue about Lunar Goddess being "skimpy". Does it show cleavage? Yeah, but it it's pretty far from what I would call "skimpy".

Cleavage window, thigh windows and dem arm windows. While it's pretty tame in comparison to things like Zyra, it's still showing off a good deal of skin in all the right places(like the arms). There's no argument that she's unarmored though, pretty much wearing a bed sheet and thigh-highs.

Limrick8 votes

I don't think you know the difference between sexy and skimpy. Lunar Goddess is wearing a pretty damn tasteful outfit, and showing a little skin is elegant in moderation. And armor doesn't matter to a goddess.

HeresyUntoFedex1 votes

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I don't think you know the difference between sexy and skimpy. Lunar Goddess is wearing a pretty damn tasteful outfit, and showing a little skin is elegant in moderation. And armor doesn't matter to a goddess.

Sexy? An opinion, I do not find any character overtly attractive in this game to a fictional art-style, but I can find them visually appealing. Lunar Goddess was modest at the time of release only in comparison to things like Dark Valkyrie Diana and Elise, and it does still pertain its elegant charm to me, I like it, but it's skimpy. There's literally no arguing with that. It wouldn't even be a bad thing either if we didn't have half the female class be that same skimpy girl with that exact same body shape. Take the weapon and forehead symbol away from Lunar Goddess, and who is that?

That's right, you'd be down to guessing. I'm not trying to be a spoil sport or anything, just sharing a different point of view. But apparently we can not have civilized discusiion on this site without getting downvoted by overtly anxious fanboys. How cute.

Jerry SeinfeId3 votes

Lmao bubby this is skimpy? Srsly? Have you ever been on the skyrim modding sites? This isn't skimpy, that's like saying a girl wearing a tank top and shorts is wearing skimpy clothing. She's like wearing a gi type of outfit fit for combat, it's cloth armor.

And there's plenty of girls wearing armor in this game. Why can't they get a skin wearing less armor?

I don't see anyone complaining about alistar who's pretty much naked. Pool Party Draven who's wearing a speedo and lifevest. I mean this outfit shows skin but jeez it's still pretty modest for today's standard.

Also the arms are the biggest offender?

Glory ln Death1 votes

It sounds like someone has an arm fetish...

HeresyUntoFedex1 votes

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It sounds like someone has an arm fetish...

[slayer-jinx-catface]

HeresyUntoFedex1 votes

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Lmao bubby this is skimpy? Srsly? Have you ever been on the skyrim modding sites? This isn't skimpy, that's like saying a girl wearing a tank top and shorts is wearing skimpy clothing. She's like wearing a gi type of outfit fit for combat, it's cloth armor.

And there's plenty of girls wearing armor in this game. Why can't they get a skin wearing less armor?

I don't see anyone complaining about alistar who's pretty much naked. Pool Party Draven who's wearing a speedo and lifevest. I mean this outfit shows skin but jeez it's still pretty modest for today's standard.

Also the arms are the biggest offender?

You made yourself irrelevant with that last comment alone. In your blind defense you took my joke seriously, showing you are not mature enough to handle this topic.

It's all about balance, my friend. And not searching for Skyrim porn. If more than half the female cast once the same boring female model showing off T and A, then sure, this would be tasteful. But as it stands now she's just another face in a large pool of overtly similar faces. PP Draven gets a pass for being a token at the moment, and Alistar is an odd example considering he is a navy blue Minotaur. If half the male cast was PP Draven with a different face then I would most definitely be complaining about that as well. Taric would loose is place as fab dude if suddenly Urgot and Twisted Fate looked like him but with different hair styles and outfits.

And that's... not cloth armor. Though even if it did resemble some remote form of protective clothinh, the fact that it has a cleavage window and thigh windows means it'd be pathetically easy to just kill her on the spot.

So, yeah. Nice job there. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

i'm sorr man, the joke was so good i didn't even realize there was one. (was there tho? be honest with me man i won't judge)

And that's pretty much the point of cloth armor? being light, and easy to move in. Seriously if i wanted to kill someone would that shirt covering her cleavage really stop my bullet/knife?

Her base skin barely offers more protection and shows her bodyshape more. Her base skin is a tightsuit with some metal attached to it, hell she wears less actual armor than Lux. She's pretty much wearing a variant of Sashimi Akali's outfit. the Part around the chest particularly. And shows As much leg as Blood moon Akali (she's a great reference for this m9) a skin in the same line and for a female "fighter" type of character. Elise shows a shit ton in her bloodmoon skin but it's elise and Kalista might be more to your tastes.

Parts of her body visible: 1 Upper arm. 2 thighs(front only) 3 She's got a bit of cleavage (more on the splash but that's to be expected)

Using this chart: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/army/fm/8-9/tab6-I.gif

We get a 33% (no clothes) vs 67%(clothes) Ratio. imo that's pretty good. Might be a bit silly to use in some cases where the cleavage reaches the belt, but in this case it's pretty good.

On to the topic of every char having the same body. In general girls with medium chests and posterior are the most popular when it comes to body type, some people prefer something different. So yeah in general you're gonna have alot of female characters with that body. While i won't be counting characters like Annie & Lulu for obvious reasons. There's also characters like Jinx, Camille and Illaoi.

I might not be mature enough to handle your amazing "jokes" but atleast i can handle the sight of skin.

So yeah next time you try to make someone completely irrelevant because they didn't get your terrible joke. GTFO*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

HeresyUntoFedex1 votes

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i'm sorr man, the joke was so good i didn't even realize there was one. (was there tho? be honest with me man i won't judge)

And that's pretty much the point of cloth armor? being light, and easy to move in. Seriously if i wanted to kill someone would that shirt covering her cleavage really stop my bullet/knife?

Her base skin barely offers more protection and shows her bodyshape more. Her base skin is a tightsuit with some metal attached to it, hell she wears less actual armor than Lux. She's pretty much wearing a variant of Sashimi Akali's outfit. the Part around the chest particularly. And shows As much leg as Blood moon Akali (she's a great reference for this m9) a skin in the same line and for a female "fighter" type of character. Elise shows a shit ton in her bloodmoon skin but it's elise and Kalista might be more to your tastes.

Parts of her body visible: 1 Upper arm. 2 thighs(front only) 3 She's got a bit of cleavage (more on the splash but that's to be expected)

Using this chart: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/army/fm/8-9/tab6-I.gif

We get a 33% (no clothes) vs 67%(clothes) Ratio. imo that's pretty good. Might be a bit silly to use in some cases where the cleavage reaches the belt, but in this case it's pretty good.

On to the topic of every char having the same body. In general girls with medium chests and posterior are the most popular when it comes to body type, some people prefer something different. So yeah in general you're gonna have alot of female characters with that body. While i won't be counting characters like Annie & Lulu for obvious reasons. There's also characters like Jinx, Camille and Illaoi.

I might not be mature enough to handle your amazing "jokes" but atleast i can handle the sight of skin.

So yeah next time you try to make someone completely irrelevant because they didn't get your terrible joke. GTFO*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

The fact that you act like the joke was not obvious is just making this even more cringe-worthy, might want to cut your losses and skip to the rest if you respond. Of course, I could always use a good laugh, so you do you.

Yes, cloth armor was supposed to serve as a minimal source of protection for those who could not afford more efficient plate or chainmail, thank you for verifying. Her base skin is wearing something that makes it infintly more practical than any of her skins or lux's 'armor', and that's a breast-plate that is angled outward. Boob-plate will just direct blows towards your organs and get you killed for being a moron. Base Diana also wears decently sized shoulder, leg, and forearm guards. She has just enough armor to perfectly fit into a semi-assassin warrior badass of the moon.

Akali was the first BM female, and Elise is literally just 'sexy spider seductress', thats her whole theme. What Riot should be doing now it trying to add some variation like a masked female BM that isn't a undead kite-monster and an unmaked Male BM, but once again the female has to show face and skin while the males all look like demon-ninjas. Where the hell is my Jhin in his Blood Demon Speedo(With some spooky crotchless pants of course to make the whole cloth-armor argument).

Also, while I congratulate you on trying to back your argument with a factual chart, that thing is so unconventional and uneeded for such a plain-as-day topic that it's kind of cute that you would even try. Just look at the skin.

It doesn't matter if it's the most popular, everyone thinks Zed looks like a pimp but imagine if 39% of the cast was just palette swaps of him? Yes, you would be a little tired of Zed at that point.

So yeah, next time you want to make a weakass argument and not get an obvious joke,

[slayer-jinx-catface] Go back to Skyrim Porn

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

I said the Nexus is full of it nog that i ised it. This skinis nowhere near slutty bur kk you're right i guess. Srry for typos comes from mobile. I'll even admit the chart is silly jeez.

Superdwarf8 votes

If you bend something enough, it breaks

except for malphite

Best Kog NA3 votes

And Zac

Papa Andrei1 votes

OKay so how is it not accurate? Cause of retconned lore?

Guess we should rework Yorick again cause his lore doesn't mention the Mori family.

KuroCaliber2 votes

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OKay so how is it not accurate? Cause of retconned lore?

Guess we should rework Yorick again cause his lore doesn't mention the Mori family.

Actually blood Moon lore was never retconned. Only lore regarding the summoners and the institute of War was retconned.

Omnistone Karma2 votes

It is so sad she has to wear that mask :/

Zeref2 votes

The hugeass beads kinda ruin the splash for me

CarameI Frappe2 votes

I just want to say whoever made the splash art for Blood Moon Diana deserves a medal cause HOLY CRAP it's amazing. I freaken love it.

[zombie-nunu-hearts]

XIII Vanitas2 votes

So, providing motivated criticism = being a hater?

I really hope you're just a kid, because that's one of the most immature reasoning I've ever read.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

Saying, "Its not good enough, make it better" is not motivating criticism

XIII Vanitas2 votes

Quite a few people are saying they dislike the new Blood Moon Diana splash because it "contradicts the skin line's lore".

Akali is meant to be the only human in the set, whereas every other champ is meant to be a demon of sorts. Since Diana shows her face in this, it means shes human, and not a demon, and thus, contradicts the whole thing.

OP said that these were the motivations behind the criticism and I'm basing my judgement on that explanation.

Who said what you quoted?

Jet Sett1 votes

If there's any reason to dislike the skin it's because we can no longer make the joke about Diana not having a Blood Moon skin.

I was genuinely prepared to see EVERY other champions get a Blood Moon skin and then Diana would get an ultimate Blood Moon skin.

HollowMimic1 votes

I dont get it. It's a skin that should go the champ beyond the story/lore (and in our case completing a nice meme as well).

Why the hate?

IcyPepper1 votes

Try reading some of the criticism. I read one reason is that it's not faithful to the background, something about a... Noh theatre?

I guess the best way to put it is when you honor or pay homage to a culture, there's just some details you need to respect. Minor examples would be that Santa is almost always fat and wearing a red suit, 4 and 13 are numbers of death when depicting certain European/Asian cultures (you can see this commonly in hotels), and whatnot.

It's not exactly a small deal for some people. Imagine if there was a skin where Sona could speak normally. It could work, but it wouldn't be a popular decision.

I'm honestly for the skin as is, but I can see why some people felt the need to criticize. I don't like OP's message that Riot should "ignore the haters," because as a company... ignoring criticism is bad for business, even if they don't take action this time.

HollowMimic1 votes

Ignoring constructed criticism is bad for business. Haters will just find a reason to whine over everything.

At the end of the day, we still forget 1 thing. LoL is just a game. A mistake here and there should be forgiven (especially in splash arts?). People take it way too personally and overreact (imo).

I understand more the reason to hate it because they wanted it to be a Legendary skin (it would be great for each skin theme line to have a legendary skin, in existing respective champions), than overreact for just cultural mistakes (*note that reacting over culture and just telling Riot what to fix is perfectly normal but whining over it? Too juvenile).

IcyPepper1 votes

Yeah, that's fair.

rengar vore1 votes

cough pool party cough

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