Heroes of the Storm explains the Lore behind their Skins, Couldn't Riot?

Darrosh Jewfist··4 votes·9,249 views

I recently got a chance to play Heroes of the Storm Beta and one neat thing I noticed is that their alt. skins for their heroes have lore to go with them. It's pretty neat how each skin gets a few lines that explain the skin (basically they're alternative dimensional personas of the classic heroes).

For example, in Hellhammer Thrall: Go’el, the new Warlord of the Ashwolf clan, lifted the shattered Doomhammer from the Blackrock chieftain’s corpse. Of his father’s betrayers, only Gul’dan remained.

I hope Riot does something similar but given that the current lore's foundation are pretty shaky, I don't expect much soon.

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Duke Anax14 votes

Riot can't even handle their base lore for champs, how should they get this done then?

A Superb Villain1 votes

Duke has a point. =/

Darrosh Jewfist2 votes

Last sentence of the post, son. Reading beyond the title might be helpful.

Duke Anax1 votes

Did you edit that? I was pretty sure it wasn't there before.

RiotIronStylus6 votes

We usually intentionally don't do many lore skins. That would reeeeeaally limit us in what idea space we could work in. I think one of the best parts of the game is that the skins aren't cannon. I don't think you could find a fitting place for Heartseeker Varus in the story..

..even if you can, well.. yikes.

ArcticSirius3 votes

Varus "Love is a pain, just like this arrow in your HEART!"

"Varus was low on coin so after picking up some tricks and tips from Vayne and Ashe he decided to become a seasonal worker at Blitzcrank's Fleshling Compatibility Services. SO BEWARE HEARTSEEKER VARUS! He aims to make your life miserable with the one truly meant for you."

IS1d51f7fd0f8e2764617b01 votes

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Varus "Love is a pain, just like this arrow in your HEART!"

"Varus was low on coin so after picking up some tricks and tips from Vayne and Ashe he decided to become a seasonal worker at Blitzcrank's Fleshling Compatibility Services. SO BEWARE HEARTSEEKER VARUS! He aims to make your life miserable with the one truly meant for you."

It doesnt exist anymore ... nothing we ever loved with the old loved remains ....

ArcticSirius1 votes

It's called a joke. I need to laugh to forget the pain ;-;

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

I don't think you need to make joke skins a part of the lore, outside of the ones that already exist in the lore during the league. However, the appeal of HotS skins is that most of them take place in a what-if parallel universe, similar to some of the skins you have already made.

There's also plenty of good lore skins already or those that could be adjusted in the future. Queen Ashe, Crimson Elite, and some Demacian guard skins.

Krizalid2 votes

Can we have a skin for Karma which makes her change her views on power and unleash her true force to protect Ionia? Pretty please? White hair and dark suit prefered.

Gentleman Gaston1 votes

Right, but the HotS skins aren't cannon either. I think you misunderstood when the OP said lore skins, as they meant the skin itself had lore. The whole point of the blurb is to explain the flavor, or rather what situations/world could exist in which these skins were cannon. There was a little bit of this with the Void Fizz skin release:

A chill grips the man’s spine as a warped giggle echoes through the streets. He’s coming. Fizz used to be welcomed with open arms but recently, something’s changed. Vaulting over walls with his corrupted trident, he’s been terrorizing everyone for weeks with his demented games. The man starts running, passing by an alley when something strikes his back and drags him to the ground. Reality tears beneath him and a sickly sweet odor envelops the street. He looks back and sees Fizz, reeking of corruption, staring and chuckling. Moments later the ground erupts as a putrid leviathan bursts forth from below, devouring the man in an instant. Void Fizz and his pet love to play hide-and-seek.

The idea isn't that Fizz has in-cannon become void-ified, but rather this skin represents a reality where he might have (and the whole "multiverse"/"skin-cannon" thing is already an idea that's been heavily suggested with the Battlecast universe).

Obviously it wouldn't need to be this long, as the HotS example is only a few sentences. The difficult part comes in actually creating these snip-its for the hundreds of skins you have, as well as where you'd actually be able t put the blurbs. On the champion page itself? We already have enough issues with the client holding text that I don't think that's really feasible; and does anyone really go to the site's champion pages? Is it worth that effort?

So, yeah, it's a cool idea. I would love for it to happen, and I'm sure Riot would like it too. Adding flavor to the Lol "multiverse" (HA!) is something I think every player can get behind. The question is: is that time and effort spent doing something that only adds flavor to an admittedly non-cannon aspect of the world for every instance? I'd say no, but perhaps there's a compromise in there by only focusing on particular universes and fleshing them out. This in turn provides a lot of inspiration for the art/skins team. I know the Battlecast universe is one of those that a lot of people have suggested interest in seeing more of, and even some of the other more neglected skin themes could see some life and love pumped into them.

Just some thoughts.

AvariceSyn5 votes

The key term here is BETA. Heroes of the Storm is so new and has so few champions and skins that it really hasn't become a hassle yet. Now, I will say that it really does not seem like a large undertaking when you include lore behind skins as you're releasing them, but for them to go back and add lore info for the hundreds of skins they've already released, I hope you could see how that could be a bit of a frustration.

Don't forget that Blizzard also has over 20 years of established material to work with.

I was discussing a similar issue with my fiance (he's playing HotS next to me right now, actually) about how disappointing it is that they did away with the Journal of Justice, among other lore-related candies. I really don't think that it would be that difficult to get a group of volunteers from the community to keep up the legend. In fact, I think multiple projects have already been started. But if Riot were to feed them some information and general guidelines in-between when a champion is announced and when they are released to come up with an article, it'd satisfy those of us who are interested in more than just gameplay. Not to mention that there are thousands of people who would jump at the opportunity even with an NDA requirement.

The grand majority of us love to be a larger part of something that we thoroughly enjoy. The other 10% are playing single player games on their emulator boxes.

Decaedeus3 votes

How do you explain how Riven, an exile, suddenly decided to put on a bunny outfit? Or how Fiora suddenly decided to be a teacher? It just doesn't work.

Rozzeta1 votes

Infiltration mission and Fencing teacher. Easy.

Silents4292 votes

Um. how would this even work, Some of these skins are so different and silly they really couldn't get an explanation without being completely dumb. How are you going to explain the skins based on LCS, or Tristana being a firefighter? Or Yorick being a rockstar.

GreenLore2 votes

Overall this is more or less the case,since it was mentioned that every skin is basically part of an alternate universe even though these AUs are rarely explored(except for the few skins that are part of the canon universe).

Some AUs who are a bit explored are the pentakill universe where mordekaiser found a haunted guitar and started the pentakill band or the Battlecast universe where viktor created the bc-line to turn everyone into robots. Some other skin lines have also some sort of information about it,like the pool party line where ziggs invited all champions to one big pool party.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Most of the skins don't have lore. A lot are basically fan service. The ones that do are normally alternate universes/what-ifs like the battlecasts, justicars, and archlights. The only actual lore skin I can remember are the Crimson Elite, which I'm still waiting for Katarina's Riot.

Revan Sulli1 votes

Dawngate did it as well.

and had a sustainable story.

DemiluniS1 votes

Many skins doesn't have lore behind them at all, for example event skins, challenger ahri, championship skins, what lore whould you tie to them? And with each skin they release there's actually a description/introduction of the skin, which is pretty neat by itself.

He’s the greatest luchador ever to enter the ring. He shatters turnbuckles with his Moustachebombs. He knocks out rudos with his panthera jabs. He partners with poros for his tag team matches. Ladies and gentlemen, the man with the heart of a tiger, El Tigre Braum!

Decrit1 votes

The reason is simple: LOL is 6 years old, Diablo + Starcraft + Warcraft lore is decennia years old. When they want to expose lore for their skins they just dig un in the past, say "how could be otherwise" and dunk it on the client: they are basically fishing from their own old content, and this is good for them and for the nostalgic player.

Like high elf Tyrande: she is basically a mix of Sylvanas and Liadrin ( maybe only Liadrin, the commander of the blood knights, the paladins of the horde besides taurens) and that. Is it lazy? Like hell. Is it good for everyone? Indeed it is. and everyone is happy.

Ximlee1 votes

I think that really limits the skin team in terms of what they can release. Sure, Nurse Akali and Blackfrost Anivia can easily be tied to lore, but how would you explain pool party or holiday skins for example?

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