Varus Lore Update went badly, and I feel like it wasn't the changes, but the execution.

HalcyonDweller··6 votes·814 views

I'm not here to talk about the controversy over homosexuality being added to the character. My concern has nothing to do with that, and franky I couldn't care less whether the character is attracted to guys or girls.

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I'm here to talk about the change to the motivations and the methods by which the Runeterran who wields Varus became corrupted.

Before, he was a person who - when faced with an impossible decision - chose duty over personal desires and stayed to defend the temple that he was tasked with guarding. He was subsequently destroyed emotionally and morally by the sight of his entire village (with his family in it) being razed. He lost/gave up so much of himself in that despair that he literally forsook his duty and consciously chose to do evil (to free and wield the dark power he was supposed to guard and safekeep) in order to take revenge on the Noxians who destroyed his family.

Now he is identified as Val, who in his desperation to save a loved one, fell victim to a power (The Darkin Vaarus) that he did not understand. This changes the character of Val. His story is not tragic in the same way anymore. He is no longer embodies vengeance as we mere humans experience it, he now embodies somebody who foolishly fell victim to the power.

I get that Varus himself is the Darkin, and that the Darkin itself is supposed to still embody vengeance as we see it... but the change in the Runeterran's motivations takes away from the story and weakens the character in my opinion. The thirst for vengeance no longer comes from the Runeterran, it comes from the Darkin. This is shown in the comic when Vaarus torments Val with the images of the battle at Pallas and of the Noxians violently attacking the inhabitants there, all the while trying to convince him that all Noxians should be punished for this.

I don't really mind that Riot chose to write it so that Val and his loved one were both male. And I don't even mind that the character now holds 3 souls in one body.

What really gets me is that he no longer willingly freed Vaarus in a thirst for revenge. I can't really explain how this change bothers me, I just know that it is the precise change that did bother me.

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Rebonack8 votes

It went from a story about someone exercising ethical agency to grapple with hard choices and the consequences of those choices to a story purely about love and desperation.

Far more shallow. Far more one dimensional.

Wrathof3004 votes

Far more shallow. Far more one dimensional.

You're wrong here actually, because the old Varus already made his decision, and had already succumb to his vengeance, there was no turning back. This is an option the new Varus has, because Kai was thrown into the mix. The new lore as a secondary layer onto the old Varus, except its told in a different story now.

MysterQ2 votes

No arguments there. But you see, it also isn't tragic then. And that is fine, not everything needs to be tragic. But the story is completely different if there wasn't actually any loss.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

It's not entirely a second layer added onto the old lore. It did strip something away, as I explained in the OP.

They took away a few things:

  • the part where the Runeterran who wields Varus chose duty over family
  • and the part where this choice is what drives him mad
  • and the part where he knowingly frees Varus and takes up the power specifically because of that madness
Wrathof3001 votes

and the part where this choice is what drives him mad

This part I suppose is replaced by Val's unwillingness to live without Kai. You are correct about the other 2 however, although this could be due to how different the story is from before.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

Yeah, I mostly wish they hadn't removed the part where he KNOWINGLY freed a great evil out of madness and a selfish desire for revenge.

It was a good parable about how even the most virtuous of people can be driven to great evil. Important for people to remember that villains can come even from the most virtuous of positions.

Riot turned Val into a victim who fell prey to a power he didn't even comprehend. It disconnects the humanity from the vengeance and makes his corruption less tragic in my mind.

Wrathof3002 votes

Yes! Its funny though, cuz I've already started theory crafting how Riot could be planing to add back to Varus' tragedy.

Varus the darkin to me, feels as though he has a hidden story to be told, especially due to them emphasizing his 'sister'. It's interesting how he has such a hate for humanity when his race were the ones that declared war on Runeterra, is he really that salty they lost the war or are we missing pieces of the story. He says his kind is extinct but how does he know that? If they were an alien race, for his kind to be extinct, this would imply his world was attacked and probably destroyed.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

That will be interesting to see. I wonder how the 3 souls might interact over this if it were to come up in the story. Maybe having two human souls living in his head will cause Vaarus to think differently than other Darkin. Maybe it will even change him.

Also I agree with you, I'm super curious to find out what happened to the Darkin and who Vaarus's sister is. I wonder if the Darkin were Icathians and their world was destroyed by the void? Just musings of mine, as far as I know there's no evidence to support such an idea yet.

Rebonack2 votes

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You're wrong here actually, because the old Varus already made his decision, and had already succumb to his vengeance, there was no turning back. This is an option the new Varus has, because Kai was thrown into the mix. The new lore as a secondary layer onto the old Varus, except its told in a different story now.

We're talking about different things, I suspect. I agree that the old lore had less room for future characterization. But the story that WAS told was more emotionally full.

Old Varus was, in many ways, a concluded story. He had made his choices and he had to live with the consequences. But not for long. 'cuz, y'know, the consequences were killing him. But they could have addressed that pretty easily. He thought the thing in the pit would utterly consume him and that he would be on borrowed time. But what if it didn't? The old lore painted the thing in the pit as alien, without question, but it was sympathetic. It was lonely. It was hurt. It wanted to help him.

This could have been a story about a sympathetic Darkin. It wants to find its siblings. It wants to help this person who freed it. We would gain insight into both Varus and Pallis as the two grow closer together. We would learn who these strange, otherworldly people are. That there's more to them than just a bunch of living weapons. That would have been an interesting story in and of itself.

But then again, I'm a sucker for eldritch abominations that are other rather than malevolent. I like things that are wholly inhuman, but when you peel away the weirdness, you find aspects that make sense. Things both sides can empathize with. Bridges between species that one would think are utterly without commonality.

Instead? All that potential is gone and the Darkin are basically the Burning Legion. It felt like a kick in the gut when the Universe page revealed that Void beasties are just purple Tyranids, too.

MysterQ1 votes

oldVarus and Paallis would have SO MUCH in common.

Both suffered loss. Both care for their family a ton. It would be a connecting bond to build off.

Rebonack2 votes

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oldVarus and Paallis would have SO MUCH in common.

Both suffered loss. Both care for their family a ton. It would be a connecting bond to build off.

It would have made a really cool dynamic.

Aatrox has completely consumed his host.

Kayn and Rhaast are in a competition to consume the other.

Varus and Paallis could have been more symbiotic. They have both suffered loss, they both empathize with each other. Both have lost everything else and have their vengeance to give them a unified purpose.

MysterQ1 votes

I agree. It is one of my favorite head cannons/fan cannons right now. Although, I have heard plenty of other good options Riot could have taken.

The only problem with this mutual relationship is, does Riot want Darkin to be 100% evil or not. If they do, then it needs to be a bit different. But if not, Varus/Paallis would have been a good one considering their family bond.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I agree with the first part, although I have my doubts about the claim that it is more shallow.

I do feel like it removed depth from the story by taking out that ethical agency and grappling with hard choices like you said, but I'm not sure if I am settled on the idea that it also made the character more shallow.

I think the real tragedy here is that the writers didn't have to remove the vengefulness like they did. They could have still included Val and Kai, and they could even still have made it so that they share the body with Varus himself, all without taking away that hard choice and the ethical conflict between Val's duty to the temple and his care for his loved ones.

Part of what made the old lore so cool in my mind was that he was destroyed by a conscious choice he made, rather than simply falling victim to the power while in the midst of a conflict and the loss of his loved one.

JacctheInsomniac2 votes

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HalcyonDweller2 votes

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The new characters have no character. They're not remotely interesting or compelling purely because everything they do is a "whoops," and prior to the only thing they are is that they love each other.

Their characters begin and end at, "heartlight."

That is a very fair point to make, I hadn't thought about it in such plain terms, but to that end I actually agree.

I think that if Riot wanted to give non-cis people some representation in the lore they should have done a proper job of it instead of just writing two shallow characters that didn't have any depth.

MysterQ1 votes

I don't even know if Val is a character anymore. (old)Varus is certainly gone. Now you are just a Darkin who wants to kill people.

Riot says Val can/will be expanded on. But people are praising the story, when really Val is basically gone. Varus has no development. And you just have to hope for more detailed story in the future. I wish both sides (or really only one side) would ignore the gay part. And just look at the story objectively. But instead any criticism does become 'homophobe' instead of a discusion on the story.

Wrathof3001 votes

Of any of the three Kai is the weakest imo, Val I can see being developed well by Riot is the future. He is Varus' source of vengeance and the reason he is able to cling to the new body. Kai comes across as that one guy that just got caught up in the mess, as a result his job is to keep Val's fury in check. It would have been better had Val and Kai's personalities been fused and then Varus was thrown into the mix, opposed t having a 3 way battle royale imo. Even so, this is still a possibility of the future of Varus' story arc.

What do you mean by Varus has no development?

MysterQ2 votes

Varus, the darkin. He has family. He wants revenge and to kill people.

??? I mean I don't know what I should expect, but I certainly don't feel anything towards newVarus. He just wants to kill stuff.

Wrathof3001 votes

Varus the darkin to me, feels as though he has a hidden story to be told, especially due to them emphasizing his 'sister'. It's interesting how he has such a hate for humanity when his race were the ones that declared war on Runeterra, is he really that salty they lost the war or are we missing pieces of the story. He says his kind is extinct but how does he know that? If they were an alien race, for his kind to be extinct, this would imply his world was attacked and probably destroyed. There can be more to the Darkin than we currently know, as of know we only are aware of his intent, and not the reason behind it. So while he has no the development atm, I can see the potential in his character.

MysterQ1 votes

No disagreement there. But, if they kept oldVarus lore the Darkin story could still be expanded on. So the new story doesn't gain anything there.

The old Varus story could have turned him gay with his child (heck that is more diversity). And it could have developed the Darkin.

All I can say, this story makes the "light" much easier to find. I am not sure if that is a good thing right now, but in the old story finding a way for Varus to regain humanity might require more work. But it does that because Valmar did not lose anything.

Wrathof3001 votes

Yep, personally I feel the main reason the Old 'Val' became Val and Kai, was so that there wouldn't be an overlap between Kayn and the new Varus. In this regard, despite my suspicions of the 3 way fusion, it was well done.

But like you said, Riot is going to have to put back int eh effort to get Varus' story back tot he point of moral grey it was at before, cause atm its clear Val and Kai are the good aspects of the Varus lore. Personally I'm rooting for Varus (darkin) but for reasons outside of his lore.[slayer-jinx-wink]

MysterQ1 votes

(Not gay) But he looked pretty hot coming out of that pool lol.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I agree it's less relatable when the Runeterran just 'fell' for the trap instead of knowingly releasing Vaarus.

MysterQ1 votes

I don't even know. Did he fall for a "trap." He was literally just jumping into water hoping. I mean I guess desperate people do desperate things is the theme.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Well before, he was driven mad by loss and because of that he willingly gave himself over to the Darkin in order to wield it's power and take revenge.

Now things were changed so he supposedly didn't know that the power was evil. The new lore even references how it is some mysterious power that travelers leave offerings for whenever they visit.

IMO the fact that he didn't do it out of vengeance or even with the knowledge of what he was doing makes the story less interesting/impressive to me.

MysterQ1 votes

Right, that is why I said it isn't even a trap. It is even less fleshed out than the original, but it looks nice so everyone is praising it.

Also is your name a MtG card? Reminds me of another forum where people for awhile changed names to lands.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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Right, that is why I said it isn't even a trap. It is even less fleshed out than the original, but it looks nice so everyone is praising it.

Indeed.

Also is your name a MtG card? Reminds me of another forum where people for awhile changed names to lands.

Nope, it used to be based on another MtG card, but I changed it to what it is now since then.

Halcyon is a word for 'peaceful place' I changed my summoner name to this when I got serious about getting my in-game anger issues under control. As a reminder to myself of what I was aiming for. It had mixed results, and I've improved since then of my own accord.

Fun fact I found out after the name change that Halcyon was actually a clan name for one of the families of Jedi Knights in the star wars universe. Although the summoner name makes less sense in that context.

Nik Nikerson2 votes

Being a MtG nerd I'm curious, what was your old name (assuming you don't mind sharing, or mind me asking a completely off topic question)?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I appreciate a fellow MtG nerd, however I do not feel it would be wise for me to publish usernames I have used in the past. I haven't scrubbed my social media perfectly and I wouldn't want anybody to be able to find me there based on information given here.

I'll say this, I got into magic around the time that the original Ravnica block was released, and I really enjoyed that set. The name had to do with one of the guilds there.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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I don't even know if Val is a character anymore. (old)Varus is certainly gone. Now you are just a Darkin who wants to kill people.

Riot says Val can/will be expanded on. But people are praising the story, when really Val is basically gone. Varus has no development. And you just have to hope for more detailed story in the future.

Yeah, I am hoping they do more to expand on it. But I'm also really disappointed that they got rid of the Val who - in his despair and self consuming hatred - intentionally freed Varus from his prison in order to selfishly enact revenge upon the Noxians.

I wish both sides (or really only one side) would ignore the gay part. And just look at the story objectively. But instead any criticism does become 'homophobe' instead of a discusion on the story.

Indeed, that is why I made it clear at the beginning of the post that I do not care about whether or not the character is homosexual.

MysterQ1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/qRiNEecw-kassadins-bio-and https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/WJKTWhlI-riot-dyquill-answers-on-varus-what-are-your-plans

Rioters are replying to the boards again. Scathlocke (Narrative team) and DyQuill. DyQuill is the only one talking about Varus though. Just making sure this doesn't get brushed under.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/0fpcyFw7-dune-reference-with-kled Writer W*bobo also.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Thanks for the heads up!

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