No, Varus Himself is Not Gay

Çhåryzård··9 votes·1,504 views

Not sure what's so hard to understand about this but

-New Varus is a darkin

-The two hunters that unlock his tomb are, in fact, gay.

-Varus uses the two hunters to create a single body for his essence to exist in

-He himself is not gay, the people he used to create a vessel were gay, however it is confirmed that Varus did have a family just like in the old lore and while he is a darkin now in this new lore, he still wants to avenge his family and people that were killed since the Darkin kinda barely exist now. He just needed a way to do that and when the 2 hunters fell into his tomb and let him loose he fashioned himself a bow and nice set of abs and now he's gonna kill some peeps.

And even if he were gay, and the fact that there are two gay characters in his lore, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. I don't really give a shit either way people ship whatever makes them happy anyways cough Taric xEzreal

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Hammermancer5 votes

As a gay dude, i find forcably inserted pro-homosexuality declarations to be patronizing but whatever, everyone from nike to cocacola is doing it these days, why not reaffirm your bullshit in my escapist fantasy world.

I clearly needed more pats on the head to validate my existence, especially in the place i go to get away from this gross shallow marketing crap.

If you read about it you'll find that this type of business strategy goes to selling more of your product to upper middle class heterosexual colledge aged students because gay isn't actually a market for anyone outside of the liquor or night life industries (Seriously that's a big one to read up on, it's interesting tbh)

When you study history, but as minors you do marketing and philosophy, you pick up on something... 0% of things a company does are for moral reasons, and a massive chunk of personal philosophy is sold and modified by marketing campaigns.

So yeah, they're not forward thinking, they're just marketing

nobody is celebrating except the crew who worked their asses off on this though

and let's be honest, that production was good, really good. The artwork was decent and comparatively to the depth of the old lore, the storytelling was significantly stronger

the issues I have are specifically with the ethics of modifying champions on such a level that it undoes a character from the story to such an extent that it pushes 1tricks and mains away from that character.

obviously riot made the character so they have the right, but I'm mostly concerned with their lack of an attempt to collab with the community on the lore with these things at the least, or give us a few choices to vote on the direction of a champ rework instead of just eliminating an old champ and giving us something and telling us tough we're stuck with it.

Examples of that are Urgot, Sion, and Yorick. Most people like the reworks but i'm sure that the community of mains would have appreciated it more if they were even given the illusion of having input or consideration into how their champion gets completely and irreversibly altered in a way that changes everything from builds to lanes and power spikes

Chrysi71 votes

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As a gay dude, i find forcably inserted pro-homosexuality declarations to be patronizing but whatever, everyone from nike to cocacola is doing it these days, why not reaffirm your bullshit in my escapist fantasy world.

I clearly needed more pats on the head to validate my existence, especially in the place i go to get away from this gross shallow marketing crap.

If you read about it you'll find that this type of business strategy goes to selling more of your product to upper middle class heterosexual colledge aged students because gay isn't actually a market for anyone outside of the liquor or night life industries (Seriously that's a big one to read up on, it's interesting tbh)

When you study history, but as minors you do marketing and philosophy, you pick up on something... 0% of things a company does are for moral reasons, and a massive chunk of personal philosophy is sold and modified by marketing campaigns.

So yeah, they're not forward thinking, they're just marketing

nobody is celebrating except the crew who worked their asses off on this though

and let's be honest, that production was good, really good. The artwork was decent and comparatively to the depth of the old lore, the storytelling was significantly stronger

the issues I have are specifically with the ethics of modifying champions on such a level that it undoes a character from the story to such an extent that it pushes 1tricks and mains away from that character.

obviously riot made the character so they have the right, but I'm mostly concerned with their lack of an attempt to collab with the community on the lore with these things at the least, or give us a few choices to vote on the direction of a champ rework instead of just eliminating an old champ and giving us something and telling us tough we're stuck with it.

Examples of that are Urgot, Sion, and Yorick. Most people like the reworks but i'm sure that the community of mains would have appreciated it more if they were even given the illusion of having input or consideration into how their champion gets completely and irreversibly altered in a way that changes everything from builds to lanes and power spikes

I do agree that it felt forced. Like, if they had just been "oh, they are lover-warrior duo. Oh, and both are guys" that would've been fine. But like, focus LESS on the lover part. We don't come here to see the epic romance tragedy, we come to see blood, guts and chocolate cake. I find it delightful that Riot did this, because this is the first time I've seen them do anything remotely LGBT, but it was kinda forced, imo, yes.

Çhåryzård1 votes

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I do agree that it felt forced. Like, if they had just been "oh, they are lover-warrior duo. Oh, and both are guys" that would've been fine. But like, focus LESS on the lover part. We don't come here to see the epic romance tragedy, we come to see blood, guts and chocolate cake. I find it delightful that Riot did this, because this is the first time I've seen them do anything remotely LGBT, but it was kinda forced, imo, yes.

I like the step they took towards including gay characters in lore, however I feel like it would've been better to do it with a brand new champion instead of one that already exists. Like create a new character and then maybe in their bio or story have something in there that shows the champ is gay, but doesn't overemphasize it so much that it feels forced

Chrysi72 votes

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I like the step they took towards including gay characters in lore, however I feel like it would've been better to do it with a brand new champion instead of one that already exists. Like create a new character and then maybe in their bio or story have something in there that shows the champ is gay, but doesn't overemphasize it so much that it feels forced

Yes. As a gay male myself, I find it lovely that there is this representation, add to the fact that I am a huge lore junkie... :P

I think it would've been better for a new character, but I don't think it's a bad thing for Varus. I've.. Never heard of Varus until I was in an argument about Darkin, and they mentioned Varus, and I didn't know who that was.

He was not exactly unique before. He lost his family, wahhh. Okay. I'm not trying to dismiss it, but like, I've heard it before, in League too! This though? They lost each other, but in a different way. They are together, but will never truly be together. They lost their family, but out of their own choice so as to prevent harm. So like.. I'm happy, but annoyed.

Silver BoIt1 votes

What kind of idiot goes to game to see their sexuallity represented? I can't imagine someone thinking "Oh look I can relate relate to this guy because he likes guys, I just love seeing people validate my existence for me.".

Also, family people in league are greatly underepresented, and it looks like the concept for Varus was made by a couple high-budget tumblr girls.

Chrysi71 votes

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What kind of idiot goes to game to see their sexuallity represented? I can't imagine someone thinking "Oh look I can relate relate to this guy because he likes guys, I just love seeing people validate my existence for me.".

Also, family people in league are greatly underepresented, and it looks like the concept for Varus was made by a couple high-budget tumblr girls.

What kind of idiot goes to a game to see family people represented?

If sexuality isn't represented, neither should family people. You're comment is so homophobic it nauseates me. Also, don't call a portion of League's userbase idiots.

redniwediS2 votes

It's like teaching people Rek'Sai is female all over again...

Çhåryzård1 votes

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It's like teaching people Rek'Sai is female all over again...

wait there are people that don't know that?

redniwediS1 votes

Right after her release there were a very large number of people who didn't bother with her lore because void monster, and would say he. It was a small detail, but it was one that did take a long time to fix.

Çhåryzård1 votes

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Right after her release there were a very large number of people who didn't bother with her lore because void monster, and would say he. It was a small detail, but it was one that did take a long time to fix.

Reminds me of when Kindred was released and people didn't realize that "Kindred" is both lamb and wolf together

So people would refer to lamb as Kindred because she's the one you play as in-game

Boulderox2 votes

i dislike the lore change, and varus is not gay, but "you are what you eat" is a joke i hate to have in my head right now -_-

MysterQ1 votes

I just want everyone to move past this. Gay people can celebrate it on their own. Not gay people can ignore it like always.

But, some fans apparently are really into the story. So I guess someone needs to feel bad for them.

Çhåryzård1 votes

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I just want everyone to move past this. Gay people can celebrate it on their own. Not gay people can ignore it like always.

But, some fans apparently are really into the story. So I guess someone needs to feel bad for them.

I mean the fact that there were 2 gay characters in the lore was great, as far as I know this is the first time Riot has mentioned gay characters in their lore.

The thing about Varus though is that they pretty much changed all of his lore, so he isn't a human being anymore. He isn't a human dude, he's a darkin that used 2 unlucky humans, who happen to be gay, to create a body for himself. It doesn't make him gay and tbh he's a Darkin and they tend to focus more on killing people and causing chaos rather than if they want a boyfriend or girlfriend, but if people wanna see him as gay by all means go ahead

ZURELL1 votes

"no varus himself is not gay" they cant tell the difference. anything even associated with something gay is gay. you cant reason with stupid ppl leave them to rot

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