X-Men vs All Ascended + Bard

Fasmodey·Jun 9, 2016·1 votes·1,393 views

It includes Apocalypse, Magneto and Jean.

Only movie powers, not retardedly powerful comic powers.

Who wins?

When I saw Jean Grey and Apocalypse's powers in movies, it looked like even Xerath is weak compare to them.

Their defensive is so weak compare to Ascended but their offensive powers are too strong. What would you say?

As ascended fan, I may give my vote to X-Men.

I'm not including Aurelion Sol, otherwise all knows the answer and it is no fun. Aurelion Sol is probably top level celestial being in X-Men. (the most powerful beings in existence of X-Men)

(If your answer is eligible for LoL team, take out Bard and answer again)

19 Comments

Ebonmaw DragonJun 9, 20162 votes

Im pretty sure that Bard is a less powerfull version of The Living Tribunal... so, i dont think that he would fight against the X-Men.

Instead he would go to "talk" with The Living Tribunal and say:

Bard "♩ ♪ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭♫! ♬ ♭ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭♩ ♪ ♫... ♩ ♪ ♪ ♫ ♪♬ ♭ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭ ♪♬ ♭ ♩ ?"("Hey dude! There are some weirdos of your cinematic universe fighting against some weirdos of my universe... we should do something to stop them?")

http://i.imgur.com/eajGVvj.png "Nah... Let them fight... Its not canon anyways"

FasmodeyJun 9, 20161 votes

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Im pretty sure that Bard is a less powerfull version of The Living Tribunal... so, i dont think that he would fight against the X-Men.

Instead he would go to "talk" with The Living Tribunal and say:

"♩ ♪ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭♫! ♬ ♭ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭♩ ♪ ♫... ♩ ♪ ♪ ♫ ♪♬ ♭ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭ ♪♬ ♭ ♩ ?"("Hey dude! There are some weirdos of your cinematic universe fighting against some weirdos of my universe... we should do something to stop them?")

http://i.imgur.com/eajGVvj.png "Nah... Let them fight... Its not canon anyways"

So what about without Bard?

If you think Ascended loses, I demand Unbound Xerath.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 9, 20161 votes

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So what about without Bard?

If you think Ascended loses, I demand Unbound Xerath.

Well, i know that you are not couting the comic powers of the X-Men, however, the Phoenix Force has a weakness towards Chaos Magic... and Xerath IS magic... So... i guess that Xerath could defeat the X-Men.

... But im pretty sure that the Ascended would be too busy fighing each other instead of fighting against the X-Men.

FasmodeyJun 9, 20161 votes

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Well, i know that you are not couting the comic powers of the X-Men, however, the Phoenix Force has a weakness towards Chaos Magic... and Xerath IS magic... So... i guess that Xerath could defeat the X-Men.

... But im pretty sure that the Ascended would be too busy fighing each other instead of fighting against the X-Men.

I dont think X-Men And Apocalypse would get the happiest friendship either. It is all about in theory, not a real fight. They don't fight with each other. It is like old Summoner's Rift, champions that are enemy for each other can fight in same side.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 9, 20161 votes

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I dont think X-Men And Apocalypse would get the happiest friendship either. It is all about in theory, not a real fight. They don't fight with each other. It is like old Summoner's Rift, champions that are enemy for each other can fight in same side.

Well, you said "The X-Men vs The Ascended", so, i didnt counted Apocalypse, Magneto and mutants that arent X-Men.

FasmodeyJun 9, 20161 votes

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Well, you said "The X-Men vs The Ascended", so, i didnt counted Apocalypse, Magneto and mutants that arent X-Men.

I know. Then I said ''It includes Apocalypse, Magneto and Jean.'' I know they're not X-Men. Thread name is a general name that informs it is a part of Marvel.

Warlord DienekesJun 9, 20161 votes

Um. If Bard wants to he goes back in time to kill the X-Men's families. Done.

Other than that without data about what the Ascended are capable of, I'm willing to bet on the X-Men. Because Phoenix was stupid powerful in the movies too.

FasmodeyJun 9, 20161 votes

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Um. If Bard wants to he goes back in time to kill the X-Men's families. Done.

Other than that without data about what the Ascended are capable of, I'm willing to bet on the X-Men. Because Phoenix was stupid powerful in the movies too.

It is kinda boring way to destroy your oppenent you know. Let's don't include this. xD

Xerath is the one who can use the powers of multi mutants. He showed telekinesis, mind control, fire magic, arcane magic, lightning bolts, sandstorms etc.

Not sure about other 2 but Nasus also could create a really savage sandstorm that not even armor can withstand. He had a specific fire that even harmed Xerath, also he has life siphoning powers (think like Rogue).

Warlord DienekesJun 9, 20161 votes

What is the roster of the X-Men? For instance nothing listed so far can beat movie Quicksilver if he's directed by someone with a modicum of intelligence (like Prof X for example).

FasmodeyJun 9, 20161 votes

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What is the roster of the X-Men? For instance nothing listed so far can beat movie Quicksilver if he's directed by someone with a modicum of intelligence (like Prof X for example).

I'm pretty sure he can't dodge the aura of Xerath. He can't even come close to him. Xerath also has mind control.

Magneto Apocalypse Phoenix Cyclops Iceman Storm Professor X Wolverine Pyro Colossus Sunspot Quicksilver Beast

Shortly, every powerful mutant we saw. Not like Kitty Pride. They would affect that much, but you can add them too if you want.

Warlord DienekesJun 9, 20161 votes

Oh shit all of them? X wins. Phoenix and Xerath both have their waves of death to duke it out. I figure just her and Apocalypse can hold Xerath together. Xavier mind controls Renekton (as seen in the first movie any weak mind is instant putty in Xavier's hand even strong wills like Magneto he can take over without his helmet). Renekton and Nasus fight to a stalemate or close enough. That just leaves Azir and while he's powerful nothing we've seen from him matches Magneto using his powers to alter the very continents like in the last movie. Him with Storm and Wolverine and Colossus should be able to take on Azir.

And even if they lose the initial fight Magneto just goes to build his super death sphere like in movie 1 or Xavier goes in Cerebro and they either draw them close enough to die by the death sphere or Xavier just concentrates on them in Cerebro and they die.

The one except to the Death Sphere and Cerebro would be Xerath but I'm putting my money on Phoenix who's fighting smart (thanks to Xavier being alive and able to direct her in this fight).

You gave them too many opponents with too many comparably awesome powers. Pick an even team and the Ascended could win.

FasmodeyJun 9, 20161 votes

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Oh shit all of them? X wins. Phoenix and Xerath both have their waves of death to duke it out. I figure just her and Apocalypse can hold Xerath together. Xavier mind controls Renekton (as seen in the first movie any weak mind is instant putty in Xavier's hand even strong wills like Magneto he can take over without his helmet). Renekton and Nasus fight to a stalemate or close enough. That just leaves Azir and while he's powerful nothing we've seen from him matches Magneto using his powers to alter the very continents like in the last movie. Him with Storm and Wolverine and Colossus should be able to take on Azir.

And even if they lose the initial fight Magneto just goes to build his super death sphere like in movie 1 or Xavier goes in Cerebro and they either draw them close enough to die by the death sphere or Xavier just concentrates on them in Cerebro and they die.

The one except to the Death Sphere and Cerebro would be Xerath but I'm putting my money on Phoenix who's fighting smart (thanks to Xavier being alive and able to direct her in this fight).

You gave them too many opponents with too many comparably awesome powers. Pick an even team and the Ascended could win.

I give the chance to Ascended because Ascended are formidably tough. They're pretty hard to kill.

Xerath's arcane magic, even without any effort, melted the fake Sun Disc. Just because it was close to him. His aura also obliterated the sun priest, just because he was close to him.

His arcane barrages melted stones, turned them to lava with a short moment. But his arcane magic just burned Nasus, didn't kill. They carry power of the sun. They have immense resistance to fire.

In other side, mutants are fragile. They may have highly powerful offensive attacks but Xerath can kill them just in seconds with holding them and squeeze. He crushed Nasus, nearly killed him with telekinesis.

Azir can create a sand army and hold back the mutants.

Nasus can do whatever he can do with souls.

Renekton is able to fight with Beast, Colossus and Wolverine at the same time, I believe. And I highly bet on his victory.

As we know, 3 of the 4 Ascended can control the sands. If they combine their sandstorms, it can show the same power what Phoenix did in my opinion.

(We don't know if Xaiver can reach to mind of the Ascended, they're beyond humans and mutants. Also, '' Death Sphere '' didn't hurt mutants, I don't think it can hurt Ascended either)

Warlord DienekesJun 9, 20161 votes

That doesn't answer the big card on the table though. Xavier full power mind control. I doubt he could reach Xerath because he doesn't quite have a body but Renekton, Nasus, and Azir are all fair game. Taking just one puts one of those super toughs on their side.

And as far as super toughs go, they still have Apocalypse who can handle quite a lot of punishment on his own, measure the force on what he was dealing with in that last scene and well yeah he can tank with the best of them. The Ascended are powerful but with Xavier, Phoenix, and Apocalypse all on the table and the X men essentially have 3 of their own, and the Ascended are down one.

As to the death sphere it works based on genetics I am under the impression that the Ascended are based on magic. They should still be effected, but if not Cerebro laser focus death is the better, stronger, easier solution anyway.

FasmodeyJun 9, 20161 votes

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That doesn't answer the big card on the table though. Xavier full power mind control. I doubt he could reach Xerath because he doesn't quite have a body but Renekton, Nasus, and Azir are all fair game. Taking just one puts one of those super toughs on their side.

And as far as super toughs go, they still have Apocalypse who can handle quite a lot of punishment on his own, measure the force on what he was dealing with in that last scene and well yeah he can tank with the best of them. The Ascended are powerful but with Xavier, Phoenix, and Apocalypse all on the table and the X men essentially have 3 of their own, and the Ascended are down one.

As to the death sphere it works based on genetics I am under the impression that the Ascended are based on magic. They should still be effected, but if not Cerebro laser focus death is the better, stronger, easier solution anyway.

If mind control worked on Ascended, I believe Xerath would do that. He controlled 60-70 men without nothing but when it came to Renekton and Nasus, he didn't. He deceived Renekton with words, not with mind control. Nasus also was not mind controlled in the fight with Xerath, so it probably means it doesn't work on the Ascended.

Xavier can't mind control Jean if she doesn't want because she is powerful enough to block him. Not because she has strong mind. Magneto has strong mind but he is not strong as much as Jean.

An Ascended has the regeneration power of Wolverine (less or equal, not sure, but he could heal himself even with a really bad situation), probably much better defense of Colossus, and high speed (not even close to Quicksilver though).

OleandervineJun 9, 20161 votes

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Um. If Bard wants to he goes back in time to kill the X-Men's families. Done.

Other than that without data about what the Ascended are capable of, I'm willing to bet on the X-Men. Because Phoenix was stupid powerful in the movies too.

Phoenix in the movie wasn't all that powerful, or at least, she wasn't consistently powerful. At certain points she utterly unmade and vaporized things around her, at others, she's just giving Wolverine a neverending skin abrasion as he decides to gut her instead of stab her with the newly discovered "shut off mutants" serum.

Warlord DienekesJun 9, 20161 votes

There is the implication that the part of real Jean was letting Wolverine get close and kill her. But at the very least: wave of energy that disintegrated everything around her >>>> sand that can cut through armor.

Plus she would be working with others which may include Quicksilver, whose movie powers are: be completely broken as hell.