We have a neutral god, what about dark gods?

Fasmodey··6 votes·1,343 views

God of Oceans, Storms and Life, Nagakabouros, is the only god we know and according to Illaoi there are many gods. I'm pretty sure at least one of them is demonic, terrific and sustains from negative emotions.

God of Death, Murder, Hatred and Violence. Where are you?

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lightdragoon8819 votes

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God of Death, Murder, Hatred and Violence. Where are you?

Teemo

HeresyUntoFedex6 votes

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God of Oceans, Storms and Life, Nagakabouros, is the only god we know and according to Illaoi there are many gods. I'm pretty sure at least one of them is demonic, terrific and sustains from negative emotions.

God of Death, Murder, Hatred and Violence. Where are you?

I think you need to calm yourself before you start trying add some skulls to the skull throne.

Really a god like that is just not needed in this setting, we already have the Void and the intelligence behind it representing an all-powerful force of violence, hatred and hunger while a force of death is covered by Kindred. Too much overlap just for the sake of a Khorne expy.

Jbels4 votes

There is no god of death, Kindred just are death

Fasmodey4 votes

God of Death doesn't necessarily mean it has control over death. It may just sustain with death.

I just imagined Dark Gods of Chaos from Warhammer 40k while I was creating this thread. Because, as we have other many gods plus Nagakabouros, and as Gods have their aspects, I felt like gods high likely sustain from their aspects.

Ralanr2 votes

Then Kindred is honestly the closest you're going to get to a death god.

Fasmodey2 votes

They are manifestation of death, they are death. They don't lose or gain something with taking life.

Also God I descripted is not only God of Death. Death can be side affect of Violence and Hatred.

Ralanr4 votes

The problem is that to make a god of death when death already has a personification means that the god must be stronger than Death which directly steps on Kindred's toes.

Violence and hatred? Corny but sure. Death however has already been brought out as neutral. To make a "dark god" of death would be pointless.

Fasmodey2 votes

Kindred is already powerless though.

God of Death as I said doesn't necessarily It takes life as Kindred does. It just may mean It sustains with every death.

Violence, Murder and Hatred creates Death. Eventually ofc It is going to have value on death.

If It is really illogical for you, you can exclude Death.

Ralanr3 votes

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Kindred is already powerless though.

I don't understand how you think this.

God of Death as I said doesn't necessarily It takes life as Kindred does. It just may mean It sustains with every death.

Violence, Murder and Hatred creates Death. Eventually ofc It is going to have value on death.

If It is really illogical for you, you can exclude Death.

It's just that, a byproduct. You would exclude death from that.

Fasmodey3 votes

Kindred doesn't kill anyone. They collect souls. They are death but not murderers. They have no control to kill who.

Ralanr4 votes

Kindred kills and does not kill. Lamb grants a swift death, wolf a violent one.

Fasmodey2 votes

These acts are a show If you ask me. You know, Lamb and Wolf are not even seperate entities. It is way for Death to show itself. Not everyone sees Lamb and Wolf. Apperance of Death changes person to person.

So, collecting souls and its way is an act, Wolf doesn't necessarily kill anyone with his teeth, and either Lamb does it with her bow. It is just how they collect souls.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Kindred doesn't kill anyone, they're simply a metaphor for Violent vs Peaceful deaths. Those who are ready take the arrow, those who aren't choose Wolf. They themselves don't kill, the person is dead regardless.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

I agree I doubt that Riot would ever do it, but there is a very important distinction. Kindred is really a paychopomp. They reaps the dead, but in quite a few ancient religions that doesn't mean they would be the actual underworld god.

The most obvious examples would be Hermes and Hades from Greek myth. Hermes was the one that tapped dead people's eyes and lead them to the beyond. Hades was the ruler of the Afterlife.

Of course neither of them were particularly evil. Hades actually comes across as usually more relaxed than his brothers Zeus and Poseidon.

But anyway, I agree with you that we're not likely to see them. But that a death god could theoretically exist.

RookPusher3 votes

Ugh, do we need another thing for brooding teenagers to obsess over?

macromite3 votes

you see I'm 90% illaoi is a nut, A Sol says Specifically that her idol is not a god at all, and A Sol is essentially the most trustworthy source of information, being the oldest being we know of.

GreenLore3 votes

He says that she doesn't understand her god,not that Nagakaborous isn't a god;).

macromite1 votes

he also says that she has a third rate cover band.

A third rate cover band Implies that not only is it not the real thing, it isn't even remotely like what the real thing is.

In this case that means this

Your nakabouros is not a real god, It isn't even remotely like a real god.

Saying that she doesnt understand her god is true, but I'm pretty sure its more along the lines of her not understanding her "god"

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

"I've seen the main act. You're only a third-rate cover band."

This is the quote you are talking about. He doesn't say that Nagakaborous is a third rate cover band, Illaoi is and that he has seen the "main act", so, he has seen Nagakaborous itself.

In combination with some quotes I recall from Riot, it is that Aurelion Sol knows Nagakaborous and tells Illaoi that the power she is bringing to the rift as the "herald" of her god, is just a tiny piece of what Nagakaborous is truly able to do.

Nagakaborous is a true god in that sense. Quote from Riot:

A.Sol is a higher plane of being than Illaoi --- but he is the beetle calling the ant small. Nagakaborous is all.

Aurelion Sol is not talking about Nagakaborous to be a third rate cover band. Illaoi is, since she is not able to truly understand Nagakaborous real power.

macromite2 votes

well my point still stands that she is a nut

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

#Nagakabouros is everything

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

My grandma = Nagakaborous confirmed.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

I love A = B = C jokes.

Bârd2 votes

Not sure if it counts as a god, but it is implied that there is some sort of extremely powerful being commanding the Void legions.

GenoXx1 votes

obligatory, nagakabouros is everything comment incoming

Fasmodey1 votes

I just hate this argue, even from a Rioter.

She is everything is fucking bullshit IMO. If we gave a fuck about omnipotent beings, almost every fantasy universes would have their true gods.

Omnipotence is boring. Same for near omnipotence too.

GenoXx1 votes

It is bs, I would like to believe there is multiple religions in runeterra each with their own god. It would only make sense for a fantasy world to have different cults and the such as well as different deitys

Ralanr1 votes

Though it can raise the question what religion follows an actual God and what follows a false idol?

Wouldn't it be funny if the most common in game religion was following a false idol?

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Always been a fan of settings where they don't tell you. They give a bunch of various religions each with contradictory beliefs, and some hints of truth and fiction behind the lot and let the audience believe what they will. Seems more interesting than having a few real religions and a bunch of false or having a worldwide true religion with each location practicing some different variation.

Champion Skin1 votes

God of Death wouldn't necessarily be evil? A God of life and death can be closer to a god of stability or order rather then a god of evil (depending on how you look at it) Death is bad yes but it is a necessary part of the world

Fasmodey1 votes

If I didn't descript Murder, Violence and Hatred. Yes. :P

God of Death, Murder, Violence and Hatred is one entity I descripted, not 4. It has many aspects.

Champion Skin1 votes

Hmm could such a god even exist? Would anyone want to believe in such a god?

Even if the god does exist there is still the problem that probably nobody would be interested in spreading stuff about such a god? and anyone meeting that god would probably not be around for much longer?

Though i guess there are some possibilities maybe?

Fasmodey1 votes

Nagakabouros doesn't have many believers either. Outside of Buhru, Bearded Lady is not popular.

Also, you would be surprised that how many people worships to Devil even in our world.

Crimson Anam1 votes

We need a God of Destruction like Beerus.

xaritscin1 votes

the thing is that, most of Runeterra doesnt seem to have developed religion. best examples i know are Bilgewater with the mother serpent and Zaun with the Gray/Grey Lady.

Shurima had a worship regarding the Sun Disk. but it wasnt really an entity. Freljord had a worship regarding the Watchers, but they for the most part have forgotten them ever since, save for Lissandra and her tribe.

Icathia in the old lore was related to worshipping the Void, however, as far as the new lore is coming out it seems they were actually fighting it or caused the void war.

Targonian society worshiped their own gods and they actually remain, just that only a few mortals are able to see them. Leona , Taric , Pantheon and Diana are avatars or heralds of some of the Targonian Gods.

Ionia is more about eastern spiritism and philosophy so they dont really worship gods, instead they have philosophical schools and spiritual rites related to illumination.

Noxus and Demacia seem atheistic, however, both the Noxian and Demacian ideals could be seen as an object of worship. but they dont have gods.

Bandle city has an obsession with the "mothership", however this is still old lore and im not sure if Riot will change it in the future.

Piltover is a technocracy with an emphasis on commerce, they dont worship gods.

the ruined king could be taken as an object of worship in the Shadow Isles. however, the only thing closer to a cult there are the followers of Mordekaiser and Elise

apart from Nagakabouros and the Targonian Gods, there's not much deities to see in Runeterra.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Yeah, but it's pretty clear the Targonians "gods" aren't really gods. They're old spirit creatures that have created a space empire on the back of enslaving Sol.

Also, you're a bit wrong about Demacia. The lore has mentioned that Demacia has a Veiled Lady that they worship.

Sukishoo1 votes

Teemo : Someone call for a god? :D

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

Why does everything need to be edgy? Can't we have a source of good for once?

People are even trying to make Kayle "So good she's evil" kind of deal despite having a evil counterpart for counter balance, and its kinda getting annoying.

Fasmodey1 votes

We can. This thread is about dark gods though.

And I am one of people who thinks people shouldn't switch personalities of opposite characters.

Anu3isII1 votes

That is because her "evil" counterpart is not actually evil.

Both of them fight for their own ideals of a "perfect" society, and they fight because their ideals are polar opposites: Kayle wants extreme order to the point where you would work only for the society, Morgana wants total freedom, where the individual does whatever he/she wants, even if that hurts the society.

I'm sure you and me agree about one thing: their ideals are not ideal. We need a mix of Order and Freedom in order to allow the individuals to make their own choices, but also not allow him/her do harmful acts without consequences. As a Ionian would say, we need "balance".

Anyone chooses which side of the story they partake (I personally on the side of Morgana, but that is another story). The best end of Morgana's and Kayle's fight would be them making a truce and finding a middle ground between their ideals. Otherwise... I think both of them will have a tragic end.

GreenLore1 votes

The thing is that the lores of Kayle and Morgana always portrayed them as rather gray characters. Kayle fights for justice and her lore mentions that she sometimes tries to help the evil ones to redeem themselves,but she was the one who disowed her connection to Morgana,when Morgana refused to join Kayles side(which was before Morgana joined Kayles enemies) and her lore mentions that she often purges the beings that are,in her opinion,beyond redemption(and we don't know where she draws the line).

And tbh,it is easy to see Kayle as the evil in their conflict,because we are only being told that Morgana isn't innocent either,but we don't even know why.(which is honestly the result of bad writing).

It also doesn't help that both sides are depicted as morally ambigious Kayles side is said to be tyrannical,wheras Morganas side is said to be evil,so it is a matter of whose lore you believe.

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