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Which Xerath is the most powerful lore-wise?

Fasmodey··1 votes·1,539 views

Old Xerath was obsessed with power and even could give his life for it that has a little chance. For this purpose he casted a spell that can transform into a extremely powerful arcane being, destroyed entire Shurima and then get imprisoned by the most powerful mages of Shurima. Shattered his sarcophagus in millennium.

New Xerath still has a interest on power but not much like as old one. It's more like shared with freedom. He reached the ancient transforming to ascended scrolls, made it up better for himself and stole this power from his emperor for revenge. He caused a tragedy like Old Xerath, destroyed entire Shurima. After a short moment legend brothers of Shurima came for fixing the problem they got, imprisoned Xerath in a magical sarcophagus while he was naive to his powers and shocked by becoming a nearly god entity from a fragile human. He shattered this sarchophagus in a little short moment compare to old Xerath. (Dont forget it is probably made by 2 ascendeds, not a human mage thing.) Fought with 2 ascendeds that are from his kind, still couldn't get defeated. For this, he got prisoned even more in Tomb of the Emperors with Renekton.

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DrCyanide3 votes

Old Xerath would not be content with his present power/knowledge. New Xerath doesn't care about his power at all, so long as nothing stands in the way of him being "free".

Old Xerath was a stronger character, and I think the more powerful of the two. Even if his power level at the "present" in lore is weaker, he'd still end up reaching greater heights than the new Xerath.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Old Xerath would not be content with his present power/knowledge. New Xerath doesn't care about his power at all, so long as nothing stands in the way of him being "free".

Old Xerath was a stronger character, and I think the more powerful of the two. Even if his power level at the "present" in lore is weaker, he'd still end up reaching greater heights than the new Xerath.

What did cause to you think he was stronger? Got imprisoned by human mages and shattered his sarcophagus in millennium that is made by humans.

Also new Xerath is still obsessed with power but not much as old one as I said. Look at quotes of him. ''Mine is the only pure ascension '', '' I will show what an ascended can do '', "You chase power, Syndra. I am power!"

DrCyanide1 votes

I think new Xerath, quite frankly, isn't even a "magus ascendant". Look at his new lore, and the only connection he makes to magic or being a mage is saying that he fooled a proud emperor and a naive one into thinking he was a mage. I ask you, when about to undertake the biggest undertaking of your career, do you not think through the steps you're taking? Why would a mage not be thinking about Magic before taking over the ascension ritual? Why are "magus", "mage", and "magic" never mentioned in Xerath's own lore? Combined with the rest of the lore (specifically "He had bribed, killed, out-maneuvered, and plotted for decades" and "Could he know? How could he possibly know? This spoiled, self-obsessed boy?"), new Xerath is a politician who likely bought a handful of magic tricks to use. His focus is, until the very end, focused on politics and deceit.

New Xerath, frankly, doesn't know how to pursue further power. He's capped at where he is, and there's no indication he'd ever want more of it.

Old Xerath unraveled how magic itself worked. It took him longer to fully understand it, but he figured it, and he owns it. Old Xerath joined the League of Legends because he saw power he didn't understand, but wanted to understand and master for himself. He had uncapped potential, and would continue to master all forms of magic.

Fasmodey1 votes

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I think new Xerath, quite frankly, isn't even a "magus ascendant". Look at his new lore, and the only connection he makes to magic or being a mage is saying that he fooled a proud emperor and a naive one into thinking he was a mage. I ask you, when about to undertake the biggest undertaking of your career, do you not think through the steps you're taking? Why would a mage not be thinking about Magic before taking over the ascension ritual? Why are "magus", "mage", and "magic" never mentioned in Xerath's own lore? Combined with the rest of the lore (specifically "He had bribed, killed, out-maneuvered, and plotted for decades" and "Could he know? How could he possibly know? This spoiled, self-obsessed boy?"), new Xerath is a politician who likely bought a handful of magic tricks to use. His focus is, until the very end, focused on politics and deceit.

New Xerath, frankly, doesn't know how to pursue further power. He's capped at where he is, and there's no indication he'd ever want more of it.

Old Xerath unraveled how magic itself worked. It took him longer to fully understand it, but he figured it, and he owns it. Old Xerath joined the League of Legends because he saw power he didn't understand, but wanted to understand and master for himself. He had uncapped potential, and would continue to master all forms of magic.

There is no proof that says he doesn't use magic. He is called magus and probably does magic, he was the magus who did ritual.

Also Azir is not a magician but still became to an ascended. Does it make him weak?

DrCyanide1 votes

Magus in name only as far as his new lore has shown. It would seem the Shurimans handed out the title honorarily. As I said, if he was the one performing the Ascension ritual, his thoughts would be on what has to happen for that. His thoughts were on his actual work, which was deceiving people.

I would not call Azir all-powerful, just as I would not say that of Renekton or Nasus. New Xerath is more comparable to them than old Xerath.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Magus in name only as far as his new lore has shown. It would seem the Shurimans handed out the title honorarily. As I said, if he was the one performing the Ascension ritual, his thoughts would be on what has to happen for that. His thoughts were on his actual work, which was deceiving people.

I would not call Azir all-powerful, just as I would not say that of Renekton or Nasus. New Xerath is more comparable to them than old Xerath.

Did you watch Azir's cinematic? He raised all buildings and created a sand army with his MIND. Is it look weak to you? Nasus and Renekton are much stronger than their old versions too. They were an alien races who controlled humanity, just aliens. They're ascended now.

Also it doesn't matter what he was before his ascended. We're talking about what he became. Azir was a emperor without magical powers but now stronger than %95 of lol champions.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Did you watch Azir's cinematic? He raised all buildings and created a sand army with his MIND. Is it look weak to you? Nasus and Renekton are much stronger than their old versions too. They were an alien races who controlled humanity, just aliens. They're ascended now.

They are ascended humans, what does it mean? they are powerful, ok... But that is nothing in comparison to alien beasts that ascended to become GODS.

The new Renekton cant even defeat a bug RekSai

Fasmodey1 votes

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They are ascended humans, what does it mean? they are powerful, ok... But that is nothing in comparison to alien beasts that ascended to become GODS.

The new Renekton cant even defeat a bug RekSai

Rek'Sai is the most powerful Void creature as known by us. Even so who did say Rek'Sai didn't get defeat? It was just a picture. Also there is no proof neither that says Rek'Sai didn't run away. Rek'Sai has really good in escape, so hard to kill. If Renekton didn't get defeat neither, you can't say Renekton is weak or not strong enough. Renekton is probably the weakest ascended but still stronger than %90 of lol champions.

The Soulforged1 votes

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Fasmodey1 votes

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Rek'Sai can be more powerful or equal to it that because Rek'sai is huge too, big as an house or less. Also bigger doesn't mean stronger.

GreenLore1 votes

Xerath manipulated an ancient ritual that probably no one really understood(why else would the shurimans count on being "granted ascension" instead of taking it),do you really think that he could have done that without a deeper understanding of magic?

The reason why he didn't think about the ritual at that point was because that wasn't the focus of his lore piece. It showed us the moment before they even went to the ascension platform and he did already all the preparation(thats why he couldn't stop it anymore),so the thing he had to worry the most at that moment was that Azir and the others were also doing what he wanted them to do. If Azir was like "hell nope,I don't want to be an ascended anymore" at that point,then Xerath would have been unable to go to the sun disc for his ritual,pretty much destroying his entire plan.

And overall Xeraths ascension is vastly different from the other ones,he clearly changed and enhanced the ritual,so it is unknown if his power is comparable to other ascendeds(considering that nasus&renekton weren't able to beat him at his weakest point,I'd say he is on a completely different level)

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

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What did cause to you think he was stronger? Got imprisoned by human mages and shattered his sarcophagus in millennium that is made by humans.

The sarcophagus was enchanted by the magic of thousands of mages in order to limit the power of Xerath... But he escaped by himself from his prison.

The new sarcophagus of Xerath doesn't limit his magic at all since he shattered it into shards... and he was unable to leave a tomb, even with the help of Renekton.

Fasmodey1 votes

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The sarcophagus was enchanted by the magic of thousands of mages in order to limit the power of Xerath... But he escaped by himself from his prison.

The new sarcophagus of Xerath doesn't limit his magic at all since he shattered it into shards... and he was unable to leave a tomb, even with the help of Renekton.

Yeah sarcophagus doesn't limit his power, it was for coolness. There was no reason to use it but Renekton and Nasus did it. And no, old Xerath was forgotten, nobody was remembering him. There were no thousands of mages. Please, if you're talking, get your proofs.

If you don't remember, Old Xerath shattered his sarcophagus too. Did it cause him to find him unlimited potential? No. Shattered sarcophagus still works.

Tomb was probably more magical than old Xerath sarcophagus lol, There was a stone serpent that comes alive. Imagine the limiting their power and stopping their escape. It is not a human prison that you can escape with your friend.

GreenLore1 votes

Old Xerath also shattered the sarcophagus. Sure he needed more time,but in the end he did it. It can be assumed that the sarcophagus is still limiting his power,otherwise he wouldn't wear it anymore.

Havenscythe3 votes

Old Xerath he was arcane power incarnate but the chains limited his powers.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Old Xerath he was arcane power incarnate but the chains limited his powers.

What is the difference with new Xerath?

Havenscythe5 votes

Now he is just an shuriman "ascended".

Fasmodey1 votes

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Now he is just an shuriman "ascended".

No he is still a arcane power incarnate if you're not blind, but also called as ascended. Still not a basic ascended, much powerful than any of them.

Other thing is you point ascendeds are weak entities.

GreenLore1 votes

I dunno if you haven't seen it,but he doesn't look like the other ascended at all. It is obvious that he manipulated the ascension ritual and changed it to his will.

DariusDemiurge1 votes

Old, he was in a weakened state as we knew him but once he regained himself and got rid of that prison he'd be unlimited. He learned magic quicker, saw the fabric of creation, and other God like things. He was the arcane that flowed. I'd consider old a world breaker once he got going.

New is just some shitty demi-god like being.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Old, he was in a weakened state as we knew him but once he regained himself and got rid of that prison he'd be unlimited. He learned magic quicker, saw the fabric of creation, and other God like things. He was the arcane that flowed. I'd consider old a world breaker once he got going.

New is just some shitty demi-god like being.

Dude, as I said, he even shattered his sarcophagus in millennium that is made by human mages, and get defeated by human mages as well. New Xerath fought against his kind and shattered his sarcophagus in seconds, big difference.

GreenLore2 votes

And who says that the new one isn't exactly like that? He still has the same quotes(they just added more),meaning he still floats around saying "I see the forces that hold the universe together." and stuff like that.

Not to mention that he had to fundamentally understand and manipulate an ancient ritual that others probably never really understood before(as it is said,ascension is usually granted,not taken,but Xerath wasn't just able to take the ascension,but to even enhance it),so his understanding of magic was surely beyond anyones elses too.

Fasmodey1 votes

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And who says that the new one isn't exactly like that? He still has the same quotes(they just added more),meaning he still floats around saying "I see the forces that hold the universe together." and stuff like that.

Not to mention that he had to fundamentally understand and manipulate an ancient ritual that others probably never really understood before(as it is said,ascension is usually granted,not taken,but Xerath wasn't just able to take the ascension,but to even enhance it),so his understanding of magic was surely beyond anyones elses too.

Wow, you really have good argument.

GreenLore1 votes

In the end we can't be sure. in the case of new Xerath its never been specified just how powerful he'd be if he was able to get free,while old Xerath was pretty much said to be omnipotent once he gets free.

However if we compare them in their bound forms,then new xerath seems more impressive,since he was able to break the sarcophagus instantly and fought against 2 ascended(and one of them had to sacrifice himself to seal xerath) instead of fighting against some unnamed mages.

Matezoide1 votes

New Xerath is just an Ascended. A very powerful one capable of matching Renekton and Nasus, yes, but just an Ascended nonethless.

Stars Shaper1 votes

We still don't know much about his current "power level" but it surely isn't a common ascended because we know that he changed the ritual to bring more devastating results.

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