Lore wise; Who is the worst fighter/combatant in League of Legends?

Dominick Destine·Jan 12, 2016·3 votes·5,665 views

I'm going to guess; or

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RiotRiotJaredanJan 13, 201613 votes

Bard, he punches like a beach ball. But watch out for those meeps. They're dynamite!

ABlueQuakerJan 13, 20161 votes

Lore Wise

His lore literally ends with the line "When the unknowable structure of the universe is threatened, Bard steers all existence away from utter annihilation."

Please stop derailing threads. As much as this is isn't a super-serious thread, as I scrolled down through the interesting posts within this thread only to come across this weak attempt at humor, I was, frankly, appalled. Both by your ignorance of what the thread was asking, as well as your ignorance of your own company's lore.

Even in a non-serious thread, Riot's response is superficial at best.

RalanrJan 13, 201614 votes

Dude, he's just joking around like a normal person on their free time.

Remove the stick.

ABlueQuakerJan 13, 20161 votes

Yeah, but the thread itself is fun. He's not even saying it ironically as though Bard's Lore would make him the strongest person in the LoL Universe. It's cringe-worthy.

My gf hates LoLJan 13, 201613 votes

The only thing cringe worthy is your reaction

GreenLoreJan 13, 20163 votes

I doubt that bard is really the strongest. It was once said by a rioter that bard often prevents catastrophes before they escalate.

For example the magic egg would have been probably a terrible weapon in the wrong hands,but bard simply took it before it could be used by someone like that.

Not to mention that there is always Kindred

Star GuardíanJan 13, 20161 votes

I think Bard is the strongest, even stronger than kindred. Kindred is more of a force of nature. Also, kindred can be "defeated" since there are immortal or un-dead champs. Kindred is omnipresent and omniscient, but it is not omnipotent. I also remember I think Ant in Oz saying that Kindred has an "end" suggesting that it can for a lack of better words "dIe".

As for the strongest character (champ and non-champ), Nagakeboros might be the strongest character, but we still don't know enough about it.

GreenLoreJan 13, 20161 votes

Even the undead will end one day and it is quite likely that even the immortal champs can be killed.

And I dunno about Kindreds end,but they themselves say that all will die eventually and I remember that someone at least confirmed that Bard can die.

Though I agree that a god like nagakeborous is most likely still stronger than them and they have quite some limitations.

Star GuardíanJan 13, 20161 votes

Oh yeah, and another thing that leads me to believe Bard is stronger than kindred is that from what we've read so far Kindred is a spirit native and seemingly bound to Runeterra, whereas Bard can travel between realms and dimensions.

GreenLoreJan 13, 20161 votes

You know,this actually brings up an interesting question: Do other realms have other spirits of death?I mean if you die in the void,will you be killed by a different spirit?Or will you merely cease to exist?Or won't you die at all and instead live on in another form?

Ebonmaw DragonJan 13, 20161 votes

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You know,this actually brings up an interesting question: Do other realms have other spirits of death?I mean if you die in the void,will you be killed by a different spirit?Or will you merely cease to exist?Or won't you die at all and instead live on in another form?

If we consider the outdated lore of Kayle and Morgana, it's probable that there are other spirits of Death in other planets... and some planets have none, that is why the "angels" are immortal.

But... that is outdated.

Dominick DestineJan 13, 20161 votes

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Bard, he punches like a beach ball. But watch out for those meeps.

(Veigar voice) is that a fat joke? (/Veigar voice)

OHHHHHH

They're dynamite!

I would have also accepted; "They're DY-no-MYYY-TE"

SharjoJan 12, 20169 votes

Nunu for the obvious reason of him being a child who has no ability to defend himself at his age. He is entirely reliant on Willump for safety.

Dominick DestineJan 12, 20163 votes

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He is entirely reliant on Willump

That's my logic too. Without Willump Nunu is nothing, so that strikes me as placing him dead last.

RalanrJan 12, 20161 votes

With Orianna a close second when it's mainly the ball protecting her while she dances.

CatastropJan 12, 20161 votes

She can throw blades at you that actually hurt though.

RalanrJan 14, 20161 votes

Yeah, and an ice ball to the face also hurts.

Orianna still has more combat capability than a child (because she is a robot and probably has mechanical strength) but she isn't a powerful combatant since the ball does the fighting for her.

Why her AA is what it is, is beyond me.

ArbiterOfTruthJan 13, 20161 votes

Rumble as well. Without his mech he wouldn't last long in a fight. In fact most of the yordles would do poorly in a straight up fight.

GhostOfShrimpmasJan 13, 20161 votes

Teemo and Veigar are probably the only yordles that would do well without their tech.

Ebonmaw DragonJan 12, 20165 votes

Teemo is one of the best members of the Army in Bandle City, he may be small, but he can kill a man with ease... and since the Poppy lore says that the yordles can live longer than humans and use magic, i guess that the yordles in general are stronger than they seem to be.

My bets are that the worst fighter is: Blitzcrank ... Lorewise... i mean, sure he is more powerfull than many champs, but Viktor did not built him as a fighter... Viktor programmed him in order to "assist with Zaun's hazardous waste reclamation process". He is not a war machine... and his lore mentions that he has a "heart of gold", a "person" like him would not harm anyone for real.

And if we consider the "Three Laws of Robotics":

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws

He would not harm a human, ever.

RiotRiot FauxfoxJan 13, 20165 votes

I would bet on Zilean. He's a frail old guy who floats around.

That or mini Gnar. He's only got a boomerang and attitude. Big Gnar packs a wallop tho.

Of course, if you were wondering, strongest champ is

http://imgur.com/rSgWjku

FasmodeyJan 13, 20161 votes

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I would bet on Zilean. He's a frail old guy who floats around.

That or mini Gnar. He's only got a boomerang and attitude. Big Gnar packs a wallop tho.

Of course, if you were wondering, strongest champ is

http://imgur.com/rSgWjku

Which champion is this? Anivia?

RiotRiot FauxfoxJan 13, 20161 votes

http://imgur.com/l773CNw

FasmodeyJan 13, 20164 votes

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http://imgur.com/l773CNw

Oh, It didn't seem like Draven. Thanks.

ZaalonJan 15, 20161 votes

well, i can say it definitely not Blitzcrank

CatastropJan 14, 20161 votes

Arch Duchess Anivia confirmed?

ZaalonJan 15, 20161 votes

you are a pretty good artist, that looks amazing( well leagues better then i can draw anyway)

Valor BotJan 15, 20161 votes

http://i.imgur.com/7oiWsLC.png" ?

Maximum MordeJan 13, 20163 votes

If you cut off his right arm, Tryndamere.

xSleepyJan 13, 20163 votes

Helmet Bro (rip) item 3070

Dis The ChrisJan 14, 20163 votes

Kindred, they're basically imagination. They can't kill directly, they let others do it and at the victim's moment of death, they appear and taunt the dying target with arrows and fangs. They don't do anything - yes, they might be Death but still... they don't have a physical form.

lolipopevelynnJan 12, 20162 votes

Rammus

tbh he doesnt do anything. he requires people attack him in order for him kill a enemy.

i mean he causes tremors/earthquakes i guess.

charcharmunroJan 12, 20162 votes

Amumu doesn't really fight, so to speak, it's mostly the curse that kills people.

EvilMerodachJan 13, 20162 votes

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doesn't really fight, so to speak, it's mostly the curse that kills people.

Singed doesn't really 'fight' either. But he kills whole armies with bio-weapons. Doesn't really matter how they kill you, just matters that you ded. Also he's probably immortal because of the curse, so, in a fight, all he'd have to do is stand there..for 100 years or so...and win by default of 'you went down first' Also, even Kindred , who is (mostly) considered tier 1/Godlike as far as League power levels..is even somewhat afraid of Amumu. Or at least doesn't want that curse near even them.

To OP: I vote Gragas or TwistedFate Grag: Literally nothing special about the guy. He's just a fatass that likes to fight, doesn't make him good at it, in fact, he'd probably lose a fight in a 0v1, falling down drunk and hurting himself. TF also doesn't really seem to have any kind of fighting skills, though, in his defense, he'd probably just always find a way to talk his way out of a fight or slip out the back door or something. But if he was actually forced to fight someone in a 'fair' fight, he'd probably lose to anyone in League, even Grag. But his 'magic' revolves around never fighting a fair fight, so unsure if that would count.

charcharmunroJan 13, 20161 votes

I think the implication is TF'd be a decent fighter even without magic. And Gragas has enough experience. Janna might be pretty shit at fighting, too.

EvilMerodachJan 13, 20161 votes

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I think the implication is TF'd be a decent fighter even without magic. And Gragas has enough experience. might be pretty shit at fighting, too.

Janna is pretty much Storm from X-Men, she can summon hurricanes with her mind. So..she outranks all 'human' level champions by default. Anyone who'd die by getting thrown 10 miles in the air and dropped. Akali Ashe Blitzcrank Caitlyn Draven Ezreal Fiora Gangplank Garen Gragas Graves Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia JarvanIV Jayce Jinx Karma Katarina Kennen Lucian Lux MissFortune Nunu Olaf Pantheon Poppy Quinn Riven Rumble Sejuani Shen Singed Sivir Sona Taric Teemo Tristana Trundle TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Vayne Talon

Maybe a few could pass by being quick enough or smart enough to avoid it. But for the most part those wouldn't even get a chance to touch her in a fight. This assuming that it was a straight 'fight' like- 3,2,1 GO. Not like, Garen JUSTICE-ing her in the face before she knew she was on 'trial' or Kat putting a knife in her back while she's asleep. Though a straight fight puts a lot of champions off by a lot because that's not how they fight. Fiddlesticks literally beats anyone if they enter his room, but beats no one if they don't. Picking their fights is part of their strength. So Mortal Kombat, '3,2,1, GO' fights aren't 'fair' to some champions, but make some really strong.

GhostOfShrimpmasJan 13, 20161 votes

Ezreal and Kat have magic that lets them teleport to safety. Sona already floats around. Mantheon hurls himself up that high and is fine. Sejuani is immune to that because pigs don't fly. Kennen can turn into lightning. Olaf would survive somehow due to his destiny.

The rest, yeah, they get pretty fucked up.

CatastropJan 13, 20163 votes

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I have to object with this one. Like, he literally rushes at you and throws you like a ragdoll. I'd say he'd make a good fighter to be honest. Also, lol at the 0v1. That's cold dude(and a hilarious mental image.)

EvilMerodachJan 13, 20161 votes

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I have to object with this one. Like, he literally rushes at you and throws you like a ragdoll. I'd say he'd make a good fighter to be honest. Also, lol at the 0v1. That's cold dude(and a hilarious mental image.)

Unsure if Lore wise Singed could actually throw anyone, or at least anyone much bigger than himself. I think he's just a guy on A LOT of steroids pretty much. And probably less than DrMundo Though Singed still has (more of) his mind than mundo, and a huge pack of bio-weapons he can use on other people. Mundo pretty much only uses his on himself. But they'd class fairly low on a power level chart. They are still 'only human,' even if they are really really beefed up humans.

I kinda personally imagined Gragas thinking he was fighting Jax ... Then wake up 4 hours later laying beside a lamp post....that was still intact and cemented in the ground. xD

CatastropJan 13, 20161 votes

He is really strong if is his lore is anything to go. He literally doesn't feel pain and with all the crap he keeps taking, it's caused his body to completely harden and beef up his physique. It wouldn't surprise me if he were to be put on a battle field, he'd just rush at everyone with his shield in front him and just bash everyone aside like Sauron swatting aside his opposition like flies.

Someone needs to make a comic of this.

BlitzidiousJan 15, 20161 votes

Yeah, but he doesn't have any combat expertise. There's nothing that says he's actually fought. He just bombed the shit out of Ionia. Though, even if he's never gotten into a fight, or has no expertise, the traits above, I feel, would certainly make up for it.

TrolosaurusJan 13, 20161 votes

Draven No combat experience whatsoever

rand0mredneckJan 13, 20165 votes

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No combat experience whatsoever

Actually, it says he served in the Noxian military. He just quit cause it didn't give him any attention.

insaiyanbaccaJan 13, 20162 votes

that, and you know he's a professional at killing people......

RalanrJan 14, 20162 votes

With style!

insaiyanbaccaJan 14, 20161 votes

Draaaaaaaaaven does it all.

SuperLuigiLXIVJan 13, 20161 votes

I'm gonna have to go with Zilean on this one. He's a little old man who happens to be smart enough to build a time machine. Literally, the only thing he can do offensively is throw a time bomb at someone or warp their perception of time to slow them down temporarily. His ability to affect time lets him screw with a lot of people, but as a fighter, he's quite clearly unfit.

EvilMerodachJan 13, 20163 votes

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I'm gonna have to go with on this one. He's a little old man who happens to be smart enough to build a time machine. Literally, the only thing he can do offensively is throw a time bomb at someone or warp their perception of time to slow them down temporarily. His ability to affect time lets him screw with a lot of people, but as a fighter, he's quite clearly unfit.

Lore wise he didn't build a time machine or is he capable of 'throwing a time bomb.' He's trapped outside of time. He's incapable of death because he's pretty much outside of death. Likely he couldn't beat anyone in a fight..or for the most part, he couldn't hurt them..other than like..old man beating someone with a cane.. But also you could blow up the whole planet and kill (nearly) everyone on it ( Anivia and a couple others would survive) and zil would still be there. So..you can't beat him in a fight, because (lore wise) he's always got his ulti on him. He'd just keep shifting back in time and never die. You'd eventually die of exhaustion, old age, or self injury trying to hurt him..so..he'd be like fighting a brick wall with your bare fists. The wall won't win, but you'd eventually lose.

SuperLuigiLXIVJan 13, 20161 votes

"Not dying" is unrelated to actual combat skill or ability though, which is the scope of this discussion.

Dominick DestineJan 13, 20161 votes

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So..you can't beat him in a fight, because (lore wise) he's always got his ulti on him. He'd just keep shifting back in time and never die. You'd eventually die of exhaustion, old age, or self injury trying to hurt him..so..he'd be like fighting a brick wall with your bare fists. The wall won't win, but you'd eventually lose.

So basically Zilean always wins every fight... eventually all his opponents die , aheuaheuhuaehuae.

Zilean