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Kassadin is not equipped to fight against the Void.

The Ecdysiast··19 votes·2,380 views

So either he needs a rework ('cause not only does the kit not fit his lore/theme, but it's also a kit of the design that it's either too weak or too strong) Or they need to fix the lore to state that one of his goals is to search for allies that an fill in the gaps in his strength, 'cause trying to fight them all by himself is pretty lame when he can't even manage to make a shield that blocks CLAWS.

Passive: -15% Magic damage Q: Magic-only shield and an interrupt that only works on one Void champion in a 1v1. W: Is ok E: Requires spells spammed nearby, which often means taking a full burst to the face before it can be used. R: Only one voidspawn relies on attacks that can be countered by a blink.

So the kit is designed around fighting magical opponents. Makes sense since Cho'gath was the only Void champion in the game when Kassadin was released.

But

Physical Damage Void champions: Kha'zix, Rek'sai Magical Damage Void champions: Cho'gath, Vel'koz Mixed/Either: Kog'maw, Malzahar.

Skins: 2 physical (Nocturne, Illaoi), 1 magic (Fizz)

Kassadin is thus poorly equipped to fight the enemy he's designed to fight.

And keep in mind that his relation to the Void at all was just shoved in to give some relation to Malzahar a few years later. But with the current story he'd be better suited as an Aspect than just a dude who fell into the Void.

47 Comments

Oglaf8 votes

I think the obvious issue here is that he was designed with only Malzahar in mind. Lore-wise they hate each-other's guts and Kassadin was meant to hunt him down. He's more of a Mageslayer than a Voidslayer as a result. Then the roster of Voidlings expanded but his kit didn't.

MistroTTC3 votes

He wasn't even designed with malzahar in mind, his original lore was him hating magic and had nothing to do with the void, this is also why his voice lines have nothing directly related to wanting to stop the void.

50000000000000004 votes

Whether a champion receives rework should definitely be focused on the gameplay and not the lore, but if/when he does get reworked, it'd be interesting to see him being somewhat counter Void champions in general. (also, probably a stupid idea but it'd be cool if all the void champions have some sort of true damage, since like half already do anyway, and for thematic cohesion)

Evewynn1 votes

His passive is uninteresting and outdated anyways. He can keep the magic damage shield on q but the passive might as well be something else, and it could be lore related.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Aside from Kha, all Void champs have a source of true damage in their kit so maybe they could make him the only champ in the game that can reduce true damage?

50000000000000001 votes

What it we give Kha'Zix some true damage on isolated Q? Probably broken?

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Honestly I think they should just have his passive deal true damage but adjust the numbers so that it's pretty much the same.

Tattersall1 votes

They've already broken a rule by making an item active that can be cast while dead, they can't break another one by giving something the ability to reduce true damage.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

As Jinx says, "Rules were made to be broken". If they're going to keep adding all this true damage and percent max health damage then I don't see anything wrong with giving a specific champ the ability to reduce it or have some other special interaction with true damage. Just like how now that mobility has reached its peak with Kalista they introduced the Grounded debuff and Poppy's W to counteract it.

Overlord Forte3 votes

Worth noting, the 'higher thinking' Voidborn use magical damage and attacks for the most part (nearly all of them, aside from some odd abilities). It's likely Kassadin is more concerned about killing the leaders than the footsoldiers.

Farahad1 votes

RekSai Rek'Sai?

Overlord Forte1 votes

Queen of the Xer'sai, who sound closer to a type of ant-hive system than anything. It's not really clear what their deal is, but the insectile nature of the Voidborn lends to her and her children as being footsoldier archetypes.

Sevixys1 votes

She is a savage. VelkozMalzahar

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Higher thinking would be Malzahar (originally human, originally magical anyway), Kha'zix (proven to be able to hold his own in a fight against an advanced predator through tactics rather than pure strength), and Vel'koz.

Those we wouldn't include would be Kog'maw (who can barely speak at all), Rek'sai (Cannot speak and seems to be too animalistic), and Cho'gath (Aside from the ability to talk, shows no signs of intelligence in game--his abilities include literally just yelling at and biting someone while relying on size to survive).

So aside from the fellow human who already knew magic, it's again set at half.

Tattersall1 votes

[Cho'Gath] is intelligent, perhaps greatly so

Old lore, but still. It's actually probable that Cho'Gath is the "highest ranking" void born currently on Runeterra.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Cho isn't even intelligent enough to realize there aren't "summoners" any more. lol But my point was that an intelligent character would show some intelligence in the way they fight.

Even Mundo has made it clear he has a strong understanding of the human body and how to manipulate it.

But Cho'gath does nothing but act like a beast. If anything, it seems more likely the fact he can speak at all is being controlled by a higher power.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

Tbh Kass wouldn't be op if they changed his shield to block all damage, but it's better not to risk it.

HazyCloud72 votes

I'm actually disappointed he didn't get any work whatsoever in the assassin update. I don't think he needs outright buffs but the way his force pulse works really irks me.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

But why should an assassin be able to use an ability when the cooldown is down, right? :^)

MistroTTC2 votes

Also he could use a new VO so the lines actually have something to do with his lore, and so he doesn't have two lines about having a silence.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Yes.

Tattersall1 votes

This.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Eh, he's like a surprisingly more well informed character in a Lovecraft book. He's not really designed to fight Cthulhu, he's trying to fight those insane cultists trying to wake Cthulhu up.

Just change cultist to mage and Cthulhu to Void and call it a day.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Two issues with that:

  1. There is only one mage on runeterra actively seeking to bring about the catastrophe the Void will cause.
  2. That one mage is Kassadin's hardest counter, since the silence was removed. And even if the silence was given back, Malzahar's new passive would still counter it.
Leo10242 votes

I hate seeing these threads, he's finally strong and not broken and now you want a rework? Did everyone forget about 98% ban rate Kassadin?

The Ecdysiast1 votes

No, no one forgot. But there seems to be a bunch of idiots who think 98% banrate Kass had nothing to do with the state of the game back then, which favored him above all else. Nevermind an update to nearly every class and all his counters since then, or the introduction and removal of items that hurt or helped him, or the removal of the only tool that would even make him a viable mid pick in competitive play right now, right?

I hate seein' comments where people whine about something a champion did 4 years ago. You gonna complain that Taric with AP scaling used to be able to get pentakills, or ask for Irelia nerfs too?

Leo10241 votes

So what you're saying is, is that if a champion isn't played competitively they need buffs?

Tattersall1 votes

…When did he say that?

Leo10241 votes

the only tool that would even make him a viable mid pick in competitive play right now, right?

the basis of his argument

The Ecdysiast2 votes

He's pretty low on the ladder for his role, counting all play. The Silence was what made him too strong-- proven by the fact he didn't suddenly jump back up above 50% winrate when they added back some strength to his damage.

The mobility was only strong for the time because that state of the game very greatly favored hyper-mobile assassins. As a defense against such, every assassin with a silence had it removed. DFG has also since been removed, and while more mobile champions have been added, the immobile classes have for the most part had their strengths for dealing with mobility increased.

Again, I'm a long-time player too. It's ridiculous when people bring up "how OP Kass was" back in a completely different state of the game-- a state of the game where a champion with a shorter cooldown, zero-cost movement ability wasn't even a champion concept yet.

Bladerunner77772 votes

this is really dumb

in my opinion

Oglaf1 votes

I'd love to see some kind of Bonetooth Necklace-like passive based on killing Void Champions for him in the future.

Evewynn2 votes

Too specific. Any interaction with void champions beyond voiceover should stay as a hidden passive (1 extra damage versus void or something)

The Ecdysiast1 votes

How is that too specific? Kha'zix has a less than one percent chance of being able to get his fourth evolution, based o the champion pool.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

It'd have to be more like the Queen of the Freljord thing.

GreenLore1 votes

I think kassadins anti-magic powers are more likely to be a result of the void corruption and not something that he trained specifically to fight the void.

Zelorxon1 votes

Technically he had a silence and a 929847398 Km jump before, it was nerfed because there was no counterplay to somene that jumps on you and pops you blocking all your spells, i guess that he in origin was able to fight the void...

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Yes but mana costs dont exsist in lore.

Infinite riftwalks ForTheWin.

Placentas1 votes

No, but exhausting your body exists in lore which could equal out to being mana.

Tattersall1 votes

Technically, neither Kassadin's nor Malzahar's lore is actually canon right now. Same with Cho, maybe others too.

That being said, a part of Kass's lore is that he leads a group called "The Preservers of Valoran." They're a faction dedicated to stopping the Void invasion.

(This is only kinda relevant) Right now, Riot is making the Void invasion a more global problem. It seems like Targon is currently the first line of defense against the Void, and Shurima has voidlings scuttling around. All of this might mean that Kassadin is gonna have a big lore overhaul (just conjecture).

Oh! And Rek'Sai isn't really that Void based. Her species is originally from the Void, but they've been around for so long that most people probably just think that they're Shuriman in origin. I feel like a sai probably wouldn't even survive if it went back to the Void somehow.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Well, when the Targon event happened I also made a thread suggesting that they simply add Kassadin to that lore, since the random opening of portals to the Void that Diana is actively closing would be a simple change in location for Kassadin's lore.

Tattersall1 votes

Yeah, I've also kind of wondered what it would be like if they made Kassadin somehow meet up with the Targon champs. Like most things, I think it would be a little clunky and weird, but they could definitely make it work with enough work.

What I definitely don't want them to do is pull a Taric (I actually have no problem with Taric's new lore) and suddenly make him "The Aspect of… uh… The Dead!" or some carp.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

I don't think he would even need to be an Aspect. Slap on a moon symbol and he could easily blend in as a Lunari who was doing the same thing as Diana currently is, when something went wrong.

That'd also explain why one of his powers manifests in his blade, despite his others having nothing to do with the blade-- since it seems the Lunari had a thing for swords.

mustafa28811 votes

thanks

now i know that kassadin is designed to fight ryze Keepo

rand0mredneck1 votes

He has a whole ARMY of people helping him, chucklehead. Read the lore.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Current lore has nothing about that, headchuckle. And even the old lore didn't specify that the reason he can't fight them is his complete lack of versatility, 'cause it was written before the introduction and adjustment of Void enemies who are physical damage.

Gosposha sapun1 votes

He is equipped to rap mid owners thou

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