How can I be sure Riot won't retcon lore again?

Hellioning··28 votes·3,334 views

Honestly, that's one of the biggest problems with the lore fiasco for me. Riot's just retconning everything I liked, and it makes me worried for the future. What else will be retcon? Will they retcon their previous retcons because they don't like it? Will one of my favorite champs get a Trundle-esque relaunch?

I just don't feel like I can form any sort of attachment with a character or a part of the world without being able to know how long they're going to be here. Riot could just retcon them away and say something about how not enough people liked them or something. The new lore is always going to have the specter of 'this could change at any time!' hanging over it now.

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Dunderflump18 votes

One of the many reasons retcons suck.

Labcown9 votes

I'm fine with retcons as an emergency procedure to reset an oversaturated universe going nowhere fast. (Completely not the case with Old Runeterra)

What I'm not fine with is the way Riot handled it. Retconning should only be considered as a last resort, and discussed heavily with ALL parties involved before committing to it. Riot did neither, and came out with a seemingly brash decision to eradicate the world as we knew it.

Beyond that, they didn't seem have to enough content for the new world to back-up their plans of retconning the IoW, and now we're left with dozens of champions and other elements disconnected with this new vision of Runeterra.

Retcons when done correctly should leave everyone elated (or relieved) after the process because the before product was such a bloated mess that seeing it reborn is actually a GREAT thing. Again, not so in Riot's case. Repeatedly we cried out "We love the JoJ style lore! Bring it back!" and Riot took that sentiment and pulled a 180, killing something that we thought was already dead.

I'd be okay (well slightly less miffed) if Riot properly executed this retcon correctly, but the way they handled it all is what's most frustrating of all out of this whole process.

CupcakeTrap15 votes

Oh, no, I'm sure this is the last time.

Hellioning14 votes

You know, I'm not even sure if you're being sarcastic or not. I assume so, given your past statements on the retcon.

Solumindra9 votes

I ignore all post retcon lore, not worth my time. If all the time I put into learning, and liking, the previous lore there is no reason for me to care about the new lore for it to get retconned in like 1 year when they do nothing with it again.

Starlighte8 votes

There is no reason to put any faith in the Narrative team. Just keep reminding them that and maybe they'll learn from these god awful fucking mistakes.

Seriously, engage your community Riot. Even if you don't like what it is they want, the community IS your consumer after all.

Earl Eulrich5 votes

maybe they'll learn from these god awful fucking mistakes

to learn from a mistake one should fully acknowledge that mistake in the first place...dunno if narrative is up for that task.

Starlighte6 votes

maybe they'll learn from these god awful fucking mistakes

to learn from a mistake one should fully acknowledge that mistake in the first place...dunno if narrative is up for that task.

And unfortunately even with all of us constantly reminding them, Narrative still doesn't want to communicate.

10 points to Narrative team to breaking 3 years of silence. 15 points from Narrative for going back into their shell after public outrage.

Sad really, they only touch conversations that support their stance. They're almost as bad as Congress, and I'm sure even the Senate has a higher approval rating.

And what about those client-side full lores? Xerath and Azir have been sitting on boards for nearly 3 weeks, and no strides in that department.

I am honestly so sick of listing Narrative's shortcomings, the list is too long and they won't even respond to the valid and "properly phrased" criticism.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

Well, at least they don´t bother releasing more than 3lines of text with the new (generic revenge ghost) Champion, so they don´t have as much to retcon in a few years. Sth. has been learned!

Starlighte4 votes

Well, at least they don´t bother releasing more than 3lines of text with the new (generic revenge ghost) Champion, so they don´t have as much to retcon in a few years. Sth. has been learned!

GG no RE.

You discovered their secret plot! Make all lore bad and short and make it impossible for players to grow attached to characters so future reworks, VU's, and retcons are less controversial.

Fried Noob3 votes

Even if they retcon the new lore, it wouldn't happen for a long time. At the moment, every lore not currently retconned will be retconned at some point.

Hellioning11 votes

Probably, but even if we wait another 3 or 4 years, it's still 3 or 4 years of dreading when the next big change is gonna occur.

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Frayace2 votes

They've already retconned it twice, first time was removing the journal of justice.

Hellioning9 votes

That wasn't a retcon, though. They had legitimate, in-universe reasons for shutting that down. As bad as the out of universe reasons were, it made sense in universe.

MEMEME6702 votes

You can't. But then again, you can't be sure any given producer of content won't retcon their lore, so why don't you complain about everything else, too?

Hellioning8 votes

Because I have no reason to believe George RR Martin will decide that the whole 'warring houses fighting for the throne' thing would be better off without a throne to fight over.

Riot has led me to believe that they are willing to retcon the entire basis of their story, because they have done so.

MEMEME6704 votes

So what you're saying is, retcons are always bad because they remove stability from the environment as a whole, and should never be done?

Hellioning8 votes

I wouldn't necessarily say 'this should never happen' but it shouldn't happen on the scale that Riot has done. Minor details are generally fine, but anything larger than 'bits of a character's backstory' leads to people worrying about what's next, and what else might be retconned.

Completely changing the entire premise of your story is a retcon that tends to freak people out.

Sneak Dog3 votes

Err, replace the "should never be done" with "shouldn't be done if it isn't worth the cost" and you're spot on?

Sneak Dog5 votes

Trust. Readers kind of just have to trust the writers to not mess up and write a good story. Generally this is made easier by reviews and reputation. Trundles retcon made me lose my trust in Riot.

Not sure what you mean with 'everything else' here. I'm complaining about this retcon because I care about the old lore.

MEMEME6701 votes

Firstly, just because you don't like one decision Riot made doesn't mean all their future decisions will be bad.

Riot can't please everyone, especially with things like reworks. There are going to be people who don't like it, and there's nothing they can do about it but apologize for the inevitable.

By everything else I mean every work in existence that could possibly be subjected to a retcon.

Sneak Dog3 votes

Obviously it doesn't mean all their future decisions will be bad. It means *any *future decision could be bad. It only takes one bad decision that goes untouched to destroy many good ones though. I no longer trust Riot to not make bad decisions or when they do, address them.

Riot can't please everyone, I'm apparently one of the ones they displeased. However, I'm giving arguments as to why the retcon is bad and I don't think the arguments I've seen as to why it's good weigh up against them. Riot could try and give their argumentation. They could also try and admit mistakes or not flat-out lie in my eyes (keep champions' identities intact, say that to Trundle).

I'd like to like Riots lore. As it stands, I can't.

As for every work in existence, either I don't care about it (don't read/follow it), it's finished or I trust the writer. I trust Dawngate not to just retcon spirits out of their lore because having to assign one to every shaper was restrictive.

Earl Eulrich4 votes

Riot can't please everyone, especially with things like reworks. There are going to be people who don't like it, and there's nothing they can do about it but apologize for the inevitable.

probably not...but if they promise sth. like keeping a character intact and than break that very promise I don´t think ignoring all reasoning and then offering only cheap excuses is "inevitable", neither is destroying all the work of your predecessors in one badly argumented plot(hole).

And no, retcons like this are an absolute rarity in any form of literature, and usually go along with some dimension-shifts to keep the cannon as intact as possible. So

By everything else I mean every work in existence that could possibly be subjected to a retcon.

Is just overly exaggerated, not to mention that a lot of dead authors won´t be willing to rise from the grave just to rewrite their pieces of art.

Padagi1 votes

I think for the most part (with very few exceptions) champions will maintain their themes and personalities, so feel free to enjoy the characters.

The backstories and in particular the details within those backstories may change. You should encourage the creativeness because what Riot is doing is not abandoning lore, but trying to look for ways to make it more interesting and opening doors to more interactions between the champions. You're likely to see more engaging cinematics and stories play out, and maybe even a movie one day. To do that, they needed to make a lot of changes.

Diahane6 votes

I think for the most part (with very few exceptions) champions will maintain their themes and personalities, so feel free to enjoy the characters.

The backstories and in particular the details within those backstories may change. You should encourage the creativeness because what Riot is doing is not abandoning lore, but trying to look for ways to make it more interesting and opening doors to more interactions between the champions. You're likely to see more engaging cinematics and stories play out, and maybe even a movie one day. To do that, they needed to make a lot of changes.

I'd dare argue that it was sufficient, not necessary to retcon, the difference between the two being very big.

Padagi1 votes

I think for the most part (with very few exceptions) champions will maintain their themes and personalities, so feel free to enjoy the characters.

The backstories and in particular the details within those backstories may change. You should encourage the creativeness because what Riot is doing is not abandoning lore, but trying to look for ways to make it more interesting and opening doors to more interactions between the champions. You're likely to see more engaging cinematics and stories play out, and maybe even a movie one day. To do that, they needed to make a lot of changes.

I'd dare argue that it was sufficient, not necessary to retcon, the difference between the two being very big.

But you can't see how the entire backstory and Institute of War and all of that lacked depth and restricted creativeness? Forces on the Field of Justice were limited by what the Institute of War would allow.

In the process of the retcon they've opened the door of possibilities. They can do anything they want now with champion direction, map direction, etc.

So, while it might not have been necessary to retcon, I think it probably was the fastest way to rip off the bandaid (if you will) and now provides the opportunity to heal that wound with awesome content. I hope that they deliver.

Sneak Dog7 votes

Lacked depth? Could you explain this? And of course it restricted the possible lore, it also gave it direction and made the premise interesting. Now the premise is a generic mash-up fantasy world instead of a generic mash-up fantasy world with a UN.

They can do anything, they can bring in unicorns spreading peace and love and solving all wars. Having options doesn't mean we get good stories. Good writing means we get good stories. A good writer can just as well write good stories with a more restrictive premise, else he will write restrictions in the story himself so that there are obstacles to overcome and plot twists to happen.

I have no faith in the new lore after Trundle got replaced by a similar but definitely different character and the Freljord was all build-up, no climax. I don't expect Riot to deliver on the new lore and if they do, I won't be very excited, it could be retconned next year and all my investment would be gone again.

Padagi1 votes

It lacked depth because only a limited kind of champion could be accepted by the Institute of War. They are also trying desperately now to separate what is happening in-game to what is happening outside the game, mostly so they are not restricted to the IP's media outside the game. Players have seen a little of this in their cinematics where abilities aren't EXACTLY as they are in the game, which is cool.

In any case, it's more a matter of freedom to outside of those restrictions than it is the inability to write within them. Sure you can continue to create the exact same champions and storylines within the rules they've set, but it turns out they'd rather not and to go outside of that realm of reality, they have to either break the rules, or rid themselves of the rules entirely.

I don't see why Runeterra can't have factions and rivalries etc. without the Institute of War. Don't get me wrong, I like the original concept, but as a writer I can definitely see why they're getting rid of it now and going on a different path.

Not 100% sure on what investment you lost from them changing the story, but it's cool that you're passionate about the game and the backstory. All of that original story is still there for you to enjoy... They're just changing the future of League of Legends. Consider it... An alternate universe.

Just IMO.

Sneak Dog8 votes

Depth isn't variety. Obviously abilitites don't have to exactly be as in-game. Why is the IoW limiting depth or how you show your champions? Not everything has to directly involve the Iow, it simply will involve it indirectly.

I can imagine they want to create champions that are harder to create with the IoW around, but I don't think that reason alone is actually worth losing out on the interesting part of your premise, your established lore and the readers' faith that what they're reading won't be retconned out without statisfactory conclusion.

I invested in the old story, but that investment was betrayed when Trundle was retconned out yet they told me it was still Trundle. They said they wanted to keep characters intact, but they didn't keep Trundle intact. I can't be excited about mysteries if I don't know if the mystery is not going to be retconned out, unanswered or answered in a lame way. I can't be excited to read about my favorite champion if that champion is simply going to be retconned out. I can't invest in an ongoing story if I don't trust the writers to write a good story. I'm not one to read bad stories.

Diahane9 votes

It lacked depth because only a limited kind of champion could be accepted by the Institute of War. They are also trying desperately now to separate what is happening in-game to what is happening outside the game, mostly so they are not restricted to the IP's media outside the game. Players have seen a little of this in their cinematics where abilities aren't EXACTLY as they are in the game, which is cool.

And now only a limited kind of champions can have a global scope importance: those such as Gnar and Nidalee, who are just out there living have no purpose on a broad scale plot. Why should anyone know about the exiled Noxians who gave birth and harbour Annie? How could Sejuani interact with Lulu? What are Zac and Alistar supposed to be up to? A lot of champions just have the "and then they joined the league" leitmotiv replaced by "and then they wandered Valoran / a part of Valoran". Look at Rammus and Amumu, what are they supposed to do all alone roaming the deserts of Shurima? Only champions with affiliations to big players like Demacia and Noxus have a reason to be engaged in some serious action and find themselves interacting on a global scale. Others, like Caitlyn who is a sheriff and a detective or Heimerdinger who is a scientist just get stuck in their city. They're not the military, even in case of war they're not automatically supposed to march into the fray. (Ok, Caitlyn wanders foreign places to follow C but... come on, if she's the sheriff she can't ditch her work everyday!)

The creation of content not adamantinely bound to gameplay didn't require the retcon as a necessary ingredient. You know, in season one we had that trailer (and bloopers) which was everything but gameplay accurate.

In any case, it's more a matter of freedom to outside of those restrictions than it is the inability to write within them. Sure you can continue to create the exact same champions and storylines within the rules they've set, but it turns out they'd rather not and to go outside of that realm of reality, they have to either break the rules, or rid themselves of the rules entirely.

I don't see why Runeterra can't have factions and rivalries etc. without the Institute of War. Don't get me wrong, I like the original concept, but as a writer I can definitely see why they're getting rid of it now and going on a different path.

I can see it too why they did, they argued it in their dev blog. The point is, a lot of people don't find those reasons compelling at all and thought-of counter arguments to those have been outright ignored by the narrative team. Another reason why a good share of people are pissed.

Not 100% sure on what investment you lost from them changing the story, but it's cool that you're passionate about the game and the backstory. All of that original story is still there for you to enjoy... They're just changing the future of League of Legends. Consider it... An alternate universe.

Truth is: if I were to know they were going to adopt a DC / Marvel policy of alternate universes and such, I wouldn't ever had read a single piece of lore. Some may enjoy that kind of storytelling, but I do not and others too don't dig a story which is unreliable and subject to be erased and forked into an alternate universe with a different storyline. A lot of people who frequent this board and who are against the retcon just wanted the old storyline to be progressed, that's why it totally sucked for us to have it cut off while a different one takes its place as canon. Meanwhile beloved characters change significantly too and that hurts those who liked them. No surprise there's a lot of disappointment in the air.

Just IMO.

Obviously this all is my most humble opinion, I hope I didn't come as blunt nor rude replying you =P

Xulsigae7 votes

If I may add my opinion- even if all the things that were said about the IoW being true (limitations and such), that didn't necessitate the 100% removal of it. I think that point needs to be brought up again and again. There is a middle ground between 'IoW decides everything' and 'No IoW at all.' Binary thinking like that is scary.

Diahane3 votes

If I may add my opinion- even if all the things that were said about the IoW being true (limitations and such), that didn't necessitate the 100% removal of it. I think that point needs to be brought up again and again. There is a middle ground between 'IoW decides everything' and 'No IoW at all.' Binary thinking like that is scary.

I completely agree.

Earl Eulrich3 votes

Obviously this all is my most humble opinion, I hope I didn't come as blunt nor rude replying you =P

consider it my opinion aswell, great post (as usual) Diahane

Diahane2 votes

Obviously this all is my most humble opinion, I hope I didn't come as blunt nor rude replying you =P

consider it my opinion aswell, great post (as usual) Diahane

Thanks for the compliment =P

Diahane6 votes

Why having the fantasy version of the UN, with all the ensuing political intrigues, would have meant a more shallow plot? If we look at the Kalamanda arc, we see a good story which makes use of this very "restriction" to deliver a rather intriguing plot arc in which we get the so craved character progression they aimed at being able to deliver with the retcon. I'm not saying the retconned lore is not apt to deliver what they want, I mean that the old lore could do that too and (here is a personal taste) was more original. The IoW and its members were not omnipotent and the JoJ has many instances of this: they didn't know Malzahar and Kassadin would clash and didn't stop them but the second time they battled and only because they were doing it near their facilities; Jarvan IV was the target of an assassination attempt schemed and executed by Swain within the very IoW and High Councilor Vessaria Kolminye arrived when a pretty violent fight had already taken place; the IoW's higher-up involved in the Kalamanda conspiracy got his plot revealed and was apprehended before he could seek asylum in Noxus. This is just to argue the IoW was not only a restriction, but a possible plot device. For instance, if they started where they left, there was "outcry against the Institute of War in the streets of Demacia and Noxus" and all this could have led to the IoW facing a difficult political moment, with city states withdrawing part of their support. All this could have led to a weakening of the IoW's hold on some dangerous beings, like Brand and Nocturne & co. I don't mean they should have gone with these stories, but it's a proof that plot could progress even with the IoW there. It was as much a restriction as the Ministry of Magic is a restriction for the Harry Potter saga.

Of course with the retcon of everything they opened up possibilities, because basically there is no lore right now for a major part of the world and its characters. Now comes the problem: they announced a retcon when they had no material to ship. It's been more than a month since then and we've got two stories for two champions out of the multitude of those for whom the IoW was a core part of their background (see Jax, Fiddlesticks etc). It was all extremely bad timed and that is the biggest remark that's been done.

The IoW may have been born because they wanted an easy way to get story into the game, but as they built upon it for two years it was no bandaid anymore, it was actually the very core and pillar of the LoL's experience. We are called summoners for a reason, the Influence Points are called that way for the same reason, the only true stories seeing characters' progression developed for the game were in the JoJ and in a setting with the IoW. As others pointed out, Noxus waging war against Ionia made logistically sense because at the boundary between Noxus and Demacia there was the IoW; without it Noxus sent its resources on a far away island opening itself to Demacia's possible aggressions. Since, if pieces of lore not involving the IoW stay canon as they said, there were precedents involving Jarvan IV, Swain, Garen and Urgot taking part in battles and their consequences (like J4's avoided execution and the subsequent death of Urgot), there's no real reason for Demacia not wiping them out while they were focused elsewhere. Besides, without the IoW, how does Ionia come out of the Noxus occupation? The point is: messing the timing on all this has made so that they opened a number of plot holes higher than the number of issues they wanted to fix.

This is what I meant by "it was sufficient, not necessary": they could have reached their goals with the old setting too, so it was not necessary to retcon, but surely retconning is a sufficient condition to achieve them because it gives you a blank state to work with. The cons being that, messing the timing, you have a game with no coherent and solid lore for a whole lot of time and if Riot's past lore deeds are to be kept in mind, then it could be years of such a state. That's why a lot of people got pissed.

MaknBacnPancakes1 votes

The retcon's I have seen and the others from the past have not been "character breaking." The worst is possibly Trundle.. A small, toxic swamp troll- turned into a large, powerful ice troll. But you still got yourself a club swinging troll- hell- even with an original skin.

Retcon's to me that break a character is if .. Say they take Riven.. And make her an evil, male Demacian knight to rival Garen... That to me would be character breaking.

That being said, it is an investment to follow a character, but not all changes are terrible.

Padagi1 votes

Trundle was an interesting change but also one in which they were trying to make him appeal to a wider audience, which is admirable. Being an ice troll is a bit better than being a troll covered in garbage. While I liked the original concept (and it was original), they kept as much of his theme and personality intact as possible while drastically changing his target audience.

In any case, Trundle is the only champion that has had his theme almost entirely modified, albeit mostly retaining his kit.

Sneak Dog5 votes

They did not keep as much of his character intact as possible. He never was power-hungry, he was cynical. He never was a brute (for a troll), he was a runt. They changed his character unnecessarily. I don't care about him being an ice troll, I care about him not being Trundle.

They could have made him an ice troll leading his tribe while still being old Trundle. They didn't , probably because the new one fit their story better. I have no faith that Riot will do everything it takes to keep old characters intact despite the retconning of the IoW.

Padagi1 votes

Well he kept his kit, and he's still a club-wielding troll. So there's that.

His personality did have to change some to fit the new backstory, I'll give you that. But on the most basic level, Trundle is still the same **theme **as before. Key word here being theme because while remakes in general vary in severity, this is one of the most severe and they still managed to keep the same theme (maintaining most of his kit, physical attributes, playstyle, etc.).

In fact, his new backstory gave him a much more prominent role in Runeterra and we'll see more of him in the future. Under his old backstory, we weren't going to see any stories or tie-ins between him and other champions.

Sneak Dog9 votes

I'm not here for a theme, I'm here for a character. I'm not here for a troll, a time wizard and an evil little mage, I'm here for Trundle, Zilean and Veigar.

What do I care if this new character plays a more prominent role in Runeterra, it's not Trundle. I want to see stories about Trundle. All I'll be getting is his replacement. On top of that, they could have written *Trundle *leading the trolls in the Freljord instead of this brute. They chose not to or weren't good enough to make him Trundle.

Sirpimsywinkle1 votes

Heres the thing about ALOT of pre retcon lore (even journal of justice was guilty of this) like 40% of it was "X is a mystery, but where did it originate?" Riot just left so many mysteries sitting on the table. As some examples: rammus, evelynn, the malz vs kass thing in joj, anything related to the history of the shadow isles, gnar (hes pre retcon technically), and even fiddlesticks...

Riot got away with making so many champs just have no backstory and were added in "justcuz" Right now were seeing the shit side of the retcon - shorter lores, loss of identity, and really lack of communication with riot. What we need to think about is Riot actually completing plot threads (At least thats what theyre saying...) and maybe all of the scraps were getting now are simply the nuts and bolts to hold together a new car.

Some people need to have some hope here and not just hope for riot to communicate, Riot is all about secrets and keeping things under wraps. Right now people need to just attempt to keep hopes high, and hell keep tossing neato lore ideas to riot!

tl:dr Not all pre retcon lore was really that stupendous, try to have some hope Riot will give us something nice in the end. And lastly odds are Riot wont talk to us, but hell might as well keep tossing ideas so when they do we can have some actual conversations on how is done.

ALSO THIS WAS ALL WRITTEN ON MY IPHONE INBETWEEN CLASSES - so sorry for how awful this probably looks or sounds or how many downvotes im gonna get for playig devils advocate....

Hellioning8 votes

Not all pre-retcon lore was great, true, but they aren't going after the 'MYSTERIOUS AGENDAS!' like Eve and Hecarim, they're changing established characters with established motivations that make sense in a Institute-less world, like Ezreal and Cass.

I get that they want to finish plot threads, but all they're doing so far is introducing new ones and wiping away possible plot threads from the past. They've had two years since the JoJ shut down to finish plot threads, and I don't want to wait any longer for something we should have had much sooner.

I am aware Riot is all about keeping things secret until they announce a shock reveal to their audiance. THAT'S A BAD THING. I get that they don't want to get burned by a Magma Chamber-esque 'we cancelled this, sorry!' sort of deal, but simply announcing 'your favorite character is now someone completely different!' isn't much better. At the very least they should ask us what we like about the characters/places they're reworking, so that their new version will at least resemble the old version.

I do not hope for anything from Riot's lore department anymore. I can only keep begging that they change their ways.

Earl Eulrich5 votes

Some people need to have some hope here

I´m afraid we´re way past this point. It´s several years since the JoJ-driven-lore came to an end, and several months since the (Lore-)Community made very clear that the retcon is not the right way to reapproach telling LoLs-Lore - with a broad variety of constructive, well argumented reasoning... And yet all we got so far had been a few "short-bios", an story that alienates Xerath for someone else and a lot of silence.

The only hope left is that they will fall into another 2yerars of silence instead of following through on their warpath against the established, unique world of Runeterra that the JoJ had featured.

Sirpimsywinkle2 votes

Really the biggest glaring problem with the retcon is riot just taking the old lore sweeping it under the table and putting up the scraps of new and going "ok that old stuff never existed heres the new stuff, TRUST US THOUGH MORE IS COMING."

Also people should attempt to keep some bright outlook, right now were relatively in the dark. Until someone turns on the lights we wont be able to see how horrible or amazing things will be, sometimes its better to imagine riot wont completely kneecap themselves and god forbid DO SOMETHING RIGHT.

But as one last thing: why does it matter how riot changes things? People will always have headcanons, if singed was turned into a 2ft tall transvestite with the same kit, to me hed still be singed the mad chemist.

Diahane5 votes

Really the biggest glaring problem with the retcon is riot just taking the old lore sweeping it under the table and putting up the scraps of new and going "ok that old stuff never existed heres the new stuff, TRUST US THOUGH MORE IS COMING."

Also people should attempt to keep some bright outlook, right now were relatively in the dark. Until someone turns on the lights we wont be able to see how horrible or amazing things will be, sometimes its better to imagine riot wont completely kneecap themselves and god forbid DO SOMETHING RIGHT.

But as one last thing: why does it matter how riot changes things? People will always have headcanons, if singed was turned into a 2ft tall transvestite with the same kit, to me hed still be singed the mad chemist.

Of sole headcanon does mankind live not. This apart, the problem is that we're in the dark indeed and that shouldn't be the case, because when you announce a retcon you should have at least some material to ship for the new canon. We're more than a month after the notorious dev blog and guess what? We're as clueless as before and have only learnt that it actually takes more than a month to craft, how many, six webpages? Seriously, one can speak all he wants about databases and such, but if you care about delivering content you have ready you just ask someone to do a temporary webpage in which to manually input the content. The fact that we don't have such a thing nor any lore piece apart from Xerath's (in which the character's core got changed, but I'd digress) and Azir's on the board speaks about them not having any content ready. They pulled the retcon and the Shurima event with nothing concrete in their hands. What they had, probably earlier versions of Azir's and Xerath's stories, had to be worked again on too, because they realized they were not good enough. They projected a hell of a giant rework, involving pretty much everything in LoL's lore, and they didn't even have two good stories ready? I can't have a bright outlook on this, sorry. The most I can achieve is to know that they will do as they did after the closure of the JoJ: silence, sudden reveals, promises of communication, silence, sudden reveals, promises... in all this we'll get some good hyping marketing moments from time to time, the occasional rework in which they'll say that they may have messed, but have learnt and will do better next time and so on. The only positive possibility is them launching LoL's story through another medium (new game, comics, books, whatever) and so finally giving it a bit of attention and regularity.

I do know they stated they want to do something "serial" with the lore pages on the website, but if to just set a webpage they need more than a month...

Sirpimsywinkle2 votes

One thing I will agree with is that the majority of these shortened lores are awful, but i'm pretending riot is telling the truth about "blablla website and client no mix" I mean when I saw skarners new lore i flipped out. Nearly anyone assosciAted with these events is getting the 3 sentence treatment...

As for the shock reveal relaunch things I feel like riot works on a blizzard esque system - they go through the forums and such gathering a bunch of feedback and info eventually culminating in this frankensteins monste esque idea of how to do things. This can work well (twitch, sion, and karthus) or this can have a profound effect on the people who loved those champs previously (karma, trundle, sivir) but the only problem is that everyone has an opinion: some people hate new sion, some people loved the new trundle, its all a mixed bag and unfortunately not everyone can ever be satisfied.

And the shock reveal stuff is just getting old, but the thing is Riot just loves being the ones who know everything. Its like when you know someones birthday gift and youll just sit back giggling while they shout at you wanting to know what it is.

And as for your first thing (which im doing last for some reason) odds are if theyre doing a retcon theyre gonna hit everybody, for better or worse.

(Also just a little fun fact rammus and his lore is essentially the same, as in nothing is explained and its a mystery)

Hellioning7 votes

I have no reason to disbelieve that they are having technical issues, but this is really something they should have figured out before the retcon went live. This is something that is vitally important to someone's continued enjoyment of a champ, and having it pushed to the last possible minute is frightening.

Not everyone can be satisfied, no, but I don't feel that drastically changing Trundle/Karma/Xerath made them more popular amongst the fanbase, it just pissed off their current fans. IronStylus has said some things about every champ having it's niche, so I'm wondering why they're changing niche champs in order to make them more generally appealing. I mean, besides 'they're trying to sell them' but that much is obvious.

Sirpimsywinkle1 votes

The main reason riot has done all the lore reworks dropping champions like trundle into freiljord or skarner into shurima (or karthus from the swamp into the shadow isles) is because many of those champions were living in a sense "isolated" from the happenings and big places.

Riot is essentially cutting the map of valoran apart in order to "streamline things. Lets use more world of warcraft examples: this would be like if blizz removed deadwind pass because it has one thing in it (kharazahn) and just made it a part of duskwood. Certain areas of the lore which have no one inhabiting them except 1 champ are bound to be cut out to make way for smoothed out lore, and champions are bound to be mucked up when a regions lore changes. (Like ezreal)

  • This is also the reason i expect to see annies lore change at some point soon considering it involves the voodoo lands (the only thing to come out of which was tibbers.) And hell mt targon is probably gonna be changed completely at some point, bilgewAter is also in danger of this. And as much as i hate the idea of stories bein mulched im still gonna keep a sliver of hope things could improve.

(Also if you wanna see how bad lore can get just take a look at wow post wrath.)

Hellioning6 votes

But that's exactly the problem. Making everybody part of a faction makes CupcakeTrap's life easier, but it makes the world feel small. If everyone is a part of a few places, and they only have interactions with a few places, you make it seem like the world itself is only a few places, no matter what the maps Riot puts out might say.

This would be like making every zone in WoW just a townhub with quests and a sectioned off area with themed monsters to finish those quests, with no exploration, non-quest-related locations, or anything to discover. This makes it seem less like 'a real world' and more like 'a video game world' than the Institute of War ever did.

Diahane8 votes

The main reason riot has done all the lore reworks dropping champions like trundle into freiljord or skarner into shurima (or karthus from the swamp into the shadow isles) is because many of those champions were living in a sense "isolated" from the happenings and big places.

Issue which didn't exist when the IoW was around because champions were all tied by it xD This is the most hilarious part of it for me!

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