Piltover: The City Of Progress

CupcakeTrap··8 votes·5,461 views

I really love this Piltover anthem, composed by community member Vedrim:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3spACC0wqgc

Can't you just imagine that playing as Piltovian Champions strut out onto the Fields and wave to the screaming crowds? (I like to imagine that one way or another there are "stands" surrounding the Fields. And hey, post Great Retcon, we can imagine whatever we like about Summoner's Rift!)

Anyway, though, I thought I'd make a topic to discuss Piltover. Is Narrative planning a big rewrite of Piltover in the near future? No clue. Maybe they'll come by and give some indication on that. Maybe some Narrative staffers will join in on the discussion. Or maybe not! Either way, I feel like talking about the essence of each faction is a good thing for the lore community to do.

Theme and Aesthetics

So, Piltover. It's the steampunk faction, with some bright and shiny hextech mixed with incurable optimism and a Victorian aesthetic. Caitlyn has (to our ears) a British accent, and the others don't. They really, really like belts, though not necessarily around their waists. They also enjoy gears.

Although there's a lot of shine to Piltover, it also seems appropriate to have at least a bit of industrial revolution grime about the place. While I doubt it's as regimented as (say) Demacia, a vaguely industrial-era class structure seems appropriate. As noted above, it's really only Cait who speaks with a British accent. This vexes me somewhat, as I keep wanting Piltover to be kind of British. (I definitely went with that idea when I wrote this story for Factions.) It just seems right, especially for describing its class structure. Maybe they'll redo Caitlyn with an American accent at some point; that would make me kinda sad.

Contrast with Zaun

Both Piltover and Zaun are science-y (hextech-y) civilizations; my impression is that Zaun is more about reckless "mad science" and unchecked innovation, while Piltover is more interested in the refinement and thoughtful application of hextech. I like to describe the contrast this way: Piltover will invent a steam locomotive, then work out how to build railroads across Valoran and increase efficiency by 50% over 5 years; Zaun will figure out how to make a steam engine, make one length of track, then get bored and start trying to make jet-powered zeppelins, most of which crash in fiery wrecks before they work out how to do it reliably, then some wacko modifies one to fly to the moon and it vanishes into another dimension on its maiden voyage, returning ten years later with a mutated crew. Neither is objectively "better" or "smarter" than the other; they just have different focuses, and very different ideas about acceptable risk.

Diplomacy and Military

They seem to have a certain friendly rivalry going with Bandle City, though not everyone is that friendly about it (see: Rumble). They have a distinctly less pleasant relationship with Zaun.

I don't get the impression that Piltover is that much into military endeavors, which leads me to ask how they're surviving in a League-less Runeterra. One option is to have them ally with a superpower like Demacia (compare the Zaun-Noxus alliance). They also seem like the kind of civilization that would get excited about building an elaborate system of hextech fortifications that would allow Piltovian troops to hold off a much larger attacking force.

Trade

I would think that Piltover is a highly mercantile civilization, with a particular focus on industry. I imagine that also applies to Zaun, but I would think Zaun would have a much greater focus on modern "consumer" goods. If we're going with the British thing, then it seems right that Piltover would have a huge merchant fleet.


Anyway. Those are just my random thoughts. I was listening to that Vedrim track, and I was like, you know, we should talk about Piltover. What does the rest of the lore community think?

25 Comments

Piratedcopy4 votes

Personally I'd like to think that Runeterra technology has advanced so much that they can have viewing portals for people to watch the battles.

CupcakeTrap2 votes

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Personally I'd like to think that Runeterra technology has advanced so much that they can have viewing portals for people to watch the battles.

Prior to the Great Retcon, this was in fact canon for at least Zaun: the older Zaun lore references Zaunites getting together to watch giant video screen hex-casts of League matches, especially ones against Ionia (whom Zaunites find particularly obnoxious). Piltover probably has something similar, though I feel like it would be more thematic for the average Piltovian to tune in via radio. (Maybe they've heard rumors that Zaunite megacorporations install monitoring devices in their television sets; maybe the rumors are true.)

As for other factions, I don't know. Maybe Demacian nobles watch the matches on enchanted mirrors. Maybe Yordles sit around the Mothership sipping juice boxes while their clerics perform the "sacred rituals" that activate the holographic projection systems. (Speaking of, I have a bad feeling that Narrative will retcon the Mothership. This will make me very sad; I find the idea of a bunch of little fuzzballs with a crazy cargo cult religion centered around a glitchy spaceship absolutely hilarious, and also kind of intriguing.)

Jeddy0171 votes

Did these viewing portals come with Phreak's puns of damage & people cheering for the destruction of wards?

terkmc2 votes

I think the aesthetic contrast between Piltover and Zaun is similar to Tau vs Imperium from Warhammer40K

Darrosh Jewfist1 votes

That's an interesting dynamic. Zaun has large amounts of manpower with relatively low grade tech milita/mercs backed by super well-equipped and elite strike forces.

Compared to Piltover which has a "rising ride raises all boats" mentality.

It'd be interesting if we could have a relative idea on population. I Imagine Piltover's birth rates to be pretty low (like Japan's) due to the high cost of living, and being too busy to raise children.

This would mean they have may a similar alliance on mercenaries or other city-states/smaller towns for mercenaries and use mechanized/AI-controlled weapons to make up for the lack of numbers.

I guess it's more of a Star Wars, Droid vs Clones thing then, huh?

CupcakeTrap1 votes

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I think the aesthetic contrast between Piltover and Zaun is similar to Tau vs Imperium from Warhammer40K

I'm actually not sure which is which. This may be the opposite of your view, but I'd say that, in terms of aesthetics, a Piltovian army would look more Imperium than Tau. I think of a Piltovian army as a bunch of militia riflemen who've been whipped into some kind of fighting shape and sent out to face alien horrors; I think of a Zaun army as a smaller force of giant death robots and similar contraptions, with a few super-high-tech elites thrown in.

On the other hand, the Imperium's grunge seems more Zaun, while Piltover at least aspires to something bright and shiny and vaguely Tau. Then there's "The Greater Good" and "Progress".

Honestly, though, I have a hard time matching those Runeterran factions precisely up with those 40K factions.

terkmc1 votes

I mean Piltover seems very clean, orderly elitish solider with shiny high tech soldier and a kind of percise strike force feeling, which mesh with Tau shiny tech, small but elite fighting forces, percise and tactical stragegy and all. While Zaun grunge, grimdark army would be composed of mass ammount of all sort of different people thrown into the war with vastly powerfull warmachine that kills as many allies as enemies, similar to how the Imperium is composed of Guardsmen from all sort of lives and planet thrown into a war with artilery that have little to no regards for their safety

CupcakeTrap1 votes

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I mean Piltover seems very clean, orderly elitish solider with shiny high tech soldier and a kind of percise strike force feeling, which mesh with Tau shiny tech, small but elite fighting forces, percise and tactical stragegy and all. While Zaun grunge, grimdark army would be composed of mass ammount of all sort of different people thrown into the war with vastly powerfull warmachine that kills as many allies as enemies, similar to how the Imperium is composed of Guardsmen from all sort of lives and planet thrown into a war with artilery that have little to no regards for their safety

So that's interesting. I had imagined Piltover's armies as being pretty Guardsman-like, but maybe they're more Tau. Actually, that might be happening in Factions: at the end of the Hextech Revolution storyline, Piltover (which had been bombed by Zaun and was generally pretty pissed off) launched a New Model Army initiative to upgrade its militia rifle companies into a real fighting machine. Maybe the outcome of that will look kinda Tau. In that same Factions storyline, Zaun built the HexKorps, a mechanized hextech army with a very 40K feel (boltguns, tanks, crazy psi-mages, etc.).

I was skeptical at first, but I'm starting to see it. A Tau-esque Piltover could certainly work.

And to indulge the 40K thing further: Demacians as Space Marines (with a lot of Imperial Guard backup), Noxians as Chaos Marines?

terkmc3 votes

Okay Garen is 100% Space Marine no arguement there (Pauldrons, fanatic for his country, Pauldrons, huge sword, Pauldron, larger than normal people, Pauldrons, shrugg off damage and charge into the fray screaming the country name, and did i mention HUGE FREAKING PAULDRONS)

CupcakeTrap1 votes

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Okay Garen is 100% Space Marine no arguement there (Pauldrons, fanatic for his country, Pauldrons, huge sword, Pauldron, larger than normal people, Pauldrons, shrugg off damage and charge into the fray screaming the country name, and did i mention HUGE FREAKING PAULDRONS)

I lol'd. He's totally got that thing going on where he looks like a turtle, with his head dwarfed by his enormous freaking pauldrons. And yes. They even made a Space Marine skin for him. (And a Battle Sister Lux.)

I also feel like Demacia should have a Holy Inquisition. Some people in the Factions community disagree, and think Demacia should just be a "medieval Europe" kind of faction, without a particularly "holy" or "religious" aspect. (Knights, not paladins.) I see where they're coming from, but at the end of the day I just really want Demacians to be able to shout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe-kGakx3CQ

BURN, HERETICS!

That, and:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/1694610/images/1210358138097.jpg

and more sentimentally, I feel this is also truly Demacian:

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h378/Tristan_Haller/Demotivators/CaptainPaladinKid.jpg

terkmc3 votes

Wait why would they disagree? Demacia is the biggest "follow our belief or else" faction there is. Maybe not religious but they very much wanna burn the "heretic" and complete fanaticism and self-righteousness. I mean look at Garen quote "What we do is** right!**" and "Justice, by law, or by sword", and this guy is susposed to be the good guy?

CupcakeTrap2 votes

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Wait why would they disagree? Demacia is the biggest "follow our belief or else" faction there is. Maybe not religious but they very much wanna burn the "heretic" and complete fanaticism and self-righteousness. I mean look at Garen quote "What we do is** right!**" and "Justice, by law, or by sword", and this guy is susposed to be the good guy?

I think the disagreement is over whether Demacia has a "paladin"/holy/smitey aspect to it, or if it's just a feudal-fascist regime obsessed with Order. I do think Demacia is a feudal-fascist civilization obsessed with Order, but I also think they have a ton of genuine "Good" in them. IRL, all that medieval chivalry and divine right stuff was a facade dressing up a brutally oppressive militaristic regime. I think the idea of Demacia is to make the rest of the Arthurian myth true as well: it's an inhumanly rigid society that crushes individuality out of its members, but it's also sincerely aimed at some conception of Good that's fairly close to ours. I think that "two-tone" approach makes Demacia much more compelling than if it's either "unquestionably awesome and great" or "grimdark feudal fascism". Perhaps the Space Marine analogy is not entirely misleading: Space Marines are psycho fanatics, but they're also fighting to save humanity from Chaos. (I wouldn't push the analogy too far, however; I think 40K is just a much darker universe than League.) Demacians insist that you follow their rules. They probably do not look kindly on anyone who meddles with the Void or certain kinds of techmaturgy, let alone necromancy. On the other hand, if you're in trouble, Demacia will come forward to defend you, even if you can't really pay them back: they'll do it because it's the right thing to do. You might make fun of Demacians for being close-minded and rigid, even dim-witted, but when the chips are down they'll have your back. (Provided you aren't deemed an evildoer, in which case, BURN, HERETIC!) A contrary theory is that Demacia only cares about itself, and considers everyone who isn't Demacian some kind of scum. It's a plausible interpretation, but I think it's less compelling. I think it also amplifies a problem I see with the new lore generally: every faction just seems so damn insular. I think it'd be nice to have at least one faction that will try to play World Police and rush to the rescue.

I think it's similar with Noxus: there's a mundane interpretation, which is fine, but the more "fantastic" interpretation is just a lot more, well, awesome. I don't think Noxus is just a bunch of axe-wielding libertarian Klingons. They are, from most RL perspectives, The Bad Guys. Their society is permeated with sadism and hatred. They glorify power in a way that is completely at odds with mainstream RL morality. On the other hand, they're strong and free. Demacia's very impressive in some ways, but Noxus is the strength of Runeterra. Demacia is all about self-denial and obedience; Noxus embodies that part of the human spirit that rebels at such constraints and yearns to answer insults with bloodshed. You might meet a pretty nasty end in Noxus, but it'll be on your terms, and you aren't relegated to till fields forever because of who your parents were, nor are you expected to show deference to anyone who hasn't earned that right by their own strength.

More specifically, I think the debate actually arose regarding magic. I think Demacia does have holy/light magic, and I think Noxus has black/shadow magic, along with a touch of admittedly primitive necromancy. I think that helps add some awesome factor to them both. But there's a perfectly valid alternative theory which would say that Demacia doesn't have paladins and Noxus doesn't have blackguards.

terkmc2 votes

I'm going to throw a very risky analogy here, but its sorta like USSR vs USA , in ideal at least. Demacia/USSR have every intention to do good for the sake of humanity, but in the process form a very rigid hierarchy that erase the individual preferring the "greater good" and purging all who have a different ideology, while Noxus/USA care less about the greater good but more about the individual and ensuring that any individual have the free will and the ability to choose and earn his path at the cost of order and general societal health, relying on Social Darwinism to ensure societal growth. I agree that it is much more complex than Good guys vs Bad guys, with Demacia as a well-intentioned extremist that choose an idealistic goal (absolute moral right) while Noxus is much more human, understanding that strength is what dictates the world and allow freedom to the man inside each person, the freedom to choose and to earn.

Regarding magic, Demacia have holy/light/smitey magic. Lux is a light mage, Garen ult is as HOLY JUSTICE HAVENLY MAGIC SWORD OF SMITING EVIL as it gets, while Noxus use a lot of black magic, and more magic in general compared to Demacia as they are willing to push more boundary for power, while Demacia is more reserved about experimenting with these kind of thing, which kinda fit with the common stereotype of paladin being anti magic

CupcakeTrap1 votes

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I'm going to throw a very risky analogy here, but its sorta like USSR vs USA , in ideal at least. Demacia/USSR have every intention to do good for the sake of humanity, but in the process form a very rigid hierarchy that erase the individual preferring the "greater good" and purging all who have a different ideology, while Noxus/USA care less about the greater good but more about the individual and ensuring that any individual have the free will and the ability to choose and earn his path at the cost of order and general societal health, relying on Social Darwinism to ensure societal growth. I agree that it is much more complex than Good guys vs Bad guys, with Demacia as a well-intentioned extremist that choose an idealistic goal (absolute moral right) while Noxus is much more human, understanding that strength is what dictates the world and allow freedom to the man inside each person, the freedom to choose and to earn.

Regarding magic, Demacia have holy/light/smitey magic. Lux is a light mage, Garen ult is as HOLY JUSTICE HAVENLY MAGIC SWORD OF SMITING EVIL as it gets, while Noxus use a lot of black magic, and more magic in general compared to Demacia as they are willing to push more boundary for power, while Demacia is more reserved about experimenting with these kind of thing, which kinda fit with the common stereotype of paladin being anti magic

I agree. I don't think people with a contrary opinion are wrong, but I prefer this version of Demacia and Noxus.

terkmc1 votes

And to add to Noxus = Chaos arguement. Swain is very much Tzench, stragegy, socery and DEMON BIRD. Sion is Khrone, he just wanna hit stuff with little regards for his own safety. Nurgle is Urgot for the UGH and EWWW factor. Leblanc is Slanessh since she is very narcissistic, and Darius is Chaos Undivided, a frontman with zeal and determination to unite Noxus together. What's more, their ideaology kinda match, with Noxus and Chaos being very accepting of people, they only care what you do, not who you are, and offer a lot of freedom as opposed to Demacia/Space Marine high and mighty attitude, rigid code and opressive ruling

Garentheon2 votes

Love the music

GenoXx2 votes

Come to think of it....when's the last time we had a new piltover champ? Jayce? I like piltover too. Jinx's Lore pulled me in and then i found my self exploring the other PO champs. Vi and Jinx are my fave, but what's the thing to their story? Is Jinx from Piltover?

Either way, Piltover seems like one of the best places to live if ur in Runeterra. They have crime but the rate is really low( thanks to cait and vi) and they have cool technology. Not too sure about their military, but it looks like a lot of movie- like scenes could be produced in PO. Cop chases, the rivalry between their counter-part Zaun, and steampunk fights. Zaun and PO alone are prety much the city of Runeterra which gives off the impression that they should be liked by everyone.

Lost R1 votes

Vi was the last Piltover champion, unless you count Jinx. Vi is an ex-thug who grew up in Piltover and then was hired as Caitlyn's deputy. Jinx is believed to be from either Piltover or Zaun, as her tech, weapons, tattoos and clothes have elements from both cultures.

Tesla Effect2 votes
CupcakeTrap3 votes

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Thats not Piltover, you uncultured swine. THIS IS! http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140702013138/leagueoflegends/images/a/a4/Piltover.png

What is this,

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140702013138/leagueoflegends/images/a/a4/Piltover.png

a Piltover for ANTS? How are people supposed to invent when they can't even FIT INSIDE THE CITY?

Tesla Effect2 votes

My impressions of Piltover after the retcon are very different now. It may or may not be a different country in comparison to Demacia (yes Im saying country, the city states thing was debunked when they did the Freljord and Shurima events). I see Noxus and Demacia as two countries rather than just two cities and Piltover and Zaun maybe part of those countries as cities with specific kinds of laws that give the citizens there freedom to do scientific research.

Piltover is a city within Demacia and as such follows some of its cultural aspects so it would make sense that a Highly advance research city in the territories of Demacia would take the approach of a much safer testing enviorment. Noxus on the other hand is all about might and getting power by any means necessary. If they have to give a specific city within its boarders complete scientific freedom in exchange for advance technology, they would do it.

Currently I have a theory that they arent city states and that there are actually several countries in Runeterra, we only just saw their Capitals or important cities. Some of which are: Demacian Kingdom (in it the research City of Piltover) & Noxian Kingdom (in it Zaun), Freljord Tribes, Shuriman Empire, Ionian Saganut (Sages rule the land instead of Shoguns), Bilgewater Union and Bandle Republic (Bandle City its capital). There are some smaller places that are part of those countries but arent recognized as full countries (Mount Targon, Voodoo Lands and Uritristan).

Tesla Effect1 votes

Its a picture link you fool, the larger version is uploaded on the wiki. These forum boards suck at posting proper picture scaling.

CupcakeTrap1 votes

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Its a picture link you fool, the larger version is uploaded on the wiki. These forum boards suck at posting proper picture scaling.

I was just joking, but actually, it links to a thumbnail rather than the full-sized image. I believe the full-sized image link is:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140702013138/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/a/a4/Piltover.png/1000px-Piltover.png

Tesla Effect2 votes

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I was just joking, but actually, it links to a thumbnail rather than the full-sized image. I believe the full-sized image link is:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140702013138/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/a/a4/Piltover.png/1000px-Piltover.png

Hmmm.....yesss. Kinda proud at how I was able to remove the Jinx rocket smoke from that shot.

Sorry if I didnt say this before (was kinda shocked someone used the old Piltover art) but this music is amazing.

CupcakeTrap2 votes

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Hmmm.....yesss. Kinda proud at how I was able to remove the Jinx rocket smoke from that shot.

Sorry if I didnt say this before (was kinda shocked someone used the old Piltover art) but this music is amazing.

The music is really great. Vedrim has some other good stuff, but this is probably my favorite.

Also, I didn't realize you'd made that image by editing a snapshot from the Get Jinxed video. Nice work!

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