What if a necromancer brought back Jarvan the first in the shadow isles and he was the "Ruined King"

Kingsgrave··23 votes·3,123 views

The Ruined King in this context being the body of the old one, basically fusing personality wise with Jarvan the first

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Taking you seriously here:

There are some problems about it though.The problem is that the shadow isles are already a thing around the time when sion was created.Boram became paranoid after sions death and seeked the necromantic knowledge of the shadow isles to bring him back(which the black rose did,just not the way boram imagined it).

For J1 being the ruined king he must have been resurrected almost instantly after his death and then quickly made the shadow isles a thing. Then there is the fact that it was said by kalista that the ruined king was overtaken by grief,which caused him to create the shadow isles,but if j1 was an undead without much emotion,then how was he overcome by grief?

Possibly using his body as a vessel for the Ruined King, to augment the power of the Ruined King possibly because the original body was destroyed. Imagine the power increase of the Ruined King being fused with the legendary first Jarvan. Scary.

The vessel for the King being destroyed and them not knowing what to do with it until they found a vessel could somewhat explain why Mordekaiser exists as well. Possibly the first attempt? Possibly the Ruined King's version of Darius Garen ?

So its literally Jarvan the First but not actually Jarvan the First. Personality could become fused in some way, which would make an interesting character, but probably not.

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First made it as a joke but then I realized how legit this could potentially be. Just think of it like its a plot line from something like Game of Thrones.

A great warrior kills a great king. The great warrior is brought back as a more terrifying version of himself but without morality or humanity thus making him at least 5 times stronger and more influential than before. What would happen if that great king was brought back? What would happen if that king had no morality or humanity anymore and could achieve far more than he could ever achieve and fight over 5 times better than he ever could have while he was alive?

Also imagine how stressful life becomes for JarvanIV

He has to run a country that is warring with Swain that summons back the man who killed his great great grandfather and who also started the war with Noxus with the help of Leblanc posing as him

Now he has to deal with his father being returned as just as much of a demon as Sion or potentially some ancient demon using his Great Grandfather's corpse as his own new body.

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I personally prefer the theory that the Ruined King was in fact once the Rune King, and ruled the magelords before their destruction at the hands of the Protectorate.

What if the Magelords weren't entirely destroyed like you say, and their children eventually became Demacians? The Protectorate could have became the Noxians which would be fitting to League's Lore narrative in the way that the Noxians and Demacians have always hated eachother, and maybe they have literally always hated eachother as long as time has existed?

So in order for the Ruined King to have a proper vessel, since he might have been destroyed, he would need a relevant body with the same bloodline of his which would explain Jarvan the First being a potential vessel.

This also gets me thinking, what if the Rune King was actually a Darkin just like Aatrox and thats why he chose the Protectorate instead of just picking the losing side? He would have a real motive for that result rather than just enjoying bloodshed.

item 3070 JarvanIV item 3070

He could potentially start an entire undead army and throw the Shadow Isles into chaos thus causing what Kalista's lore alludes to.

Was it Karthus that summoned the King of Demacia back from the dead? Possibly could have been Mordekaiser or even Yorick by mere accident

item 3153 does % of target's Current Health as Physical Damage and is said to be a fraction of the Ruined King's real power JarvanIV's passive is "Martial Cadence" and is no doubt a passed on technique from his forefathers. HIs passive is you dont already know is % target's Current Health as Physical Damage every 10/8/6 seconds based on level

We know its probably a passed down technique because JarvanIV taught it to XinZhao and the active of item 3153 is practiced in some way by Garen

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GreenLore5 votes

Taking you seriously here:

There are some problems about it though.The problem is that the shadow isles are already a thing around the time when sion was created.Boram became paranoid after sions death and seeked the necromantic knowledge of the shadow isles to bring him back(which the black rose did,just not the way boram imagined it).

For J1 being the ruined king he must have been resurrected almost instantly after his death and then quickly made the shadow isles a thing. Then there is the fact that it was said by kalista that the ruined king was overtaken by grief,which caused him to create the shadow isles,but if j1 was an undead without much emotion,then how was he overcome by grief?

Kingsgrave2 votes

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Taking you seriously here:

There are some problems about it though.The problem is that the shadow isles are already a thing around the time when sion was created.Boram became paranoid after sions death and seeked the necromantic knowledge of the shadow isles to bring him back(which the black rose did,just not the way boram imagined it).

For J1 being the ruined king he must have been resurrected almost instantly after his death and then quickly made the shadow isles a thing. Then there is the fact that it was said by kalista that the ruined king was overtaken by grief,which caused him to create the shadow isles,but if j1 was an undead without much emotion,then how was he overcome by grief?

Possibly using his body as a vessel for the Ruined King, to augment the power of the Ruined King possibly because the original body was destroyed. Imagine the power increase of the Ruined King being fused with the legendary first Jarvan. Scary.

The vessel for the King being destroyed and them not knowing what to do with it until they found a vessel could somewhat explain why Mordekaiser exists as well. Possibly the first attempt? Possibly the Ruined King's version of Darius or Garen?

So its literally Jarvan the First but not actually Jarvan the First. Personality could become fused in some way, which would make an interesting character, but probably not.

LANWhale1 votes

So its literally Jarvan the First but not actually Jarvan the First. Personality could become fused in some way, which would make an interesting character, but probably not.

Ya know that sounds great i wonder what could go wrong with that? *Looking at you >_> *Kalista

But really that sounds really neat if thats the case and would probally make for a great lore background.

Just imagine his lore could literally be one sentence:

Is j1 but not reall j1 or Its J1.....Kappa

No, but really that would actually make for a interesting background, like who got the corpse? Did Le Blanc have to trade it for some secrets about the Shadow Isles? Really interesting.

Xtremey2 votes

10/10

Kingsgrave1 votes

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10/10

Added more tinfoil to the hat

LANWhale2 votes

I love it. 10/10 IGN would spook again

junglerboy162 votes

I personally prefer the theory that the Ruined King was in fact once the Rune King, and ruled the magelords before their destruction at the hands of the Protectorate.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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I personally prefer the theory that the Ruined King was in fact once the Rune King, and ruled the magelords before their destruction at the hands of the Protectorate.

What if the Magelords weren't entirely destroyed like you say, and their children eventually became Demacians?

So in order for the Ruined King to have a proper vessel, since he might have been destroyed, he would need a relevant body with the same bloodline of his which would explain Jarvan the First being a potential vessel.

This also gets me thinking, what if the Rune King was actually a Darkin just like Aatrox and thats why he chose the Protectorate instead of just picking the losing side? He would have a real motive for that result rather than just enjoying bloodshed.

junglerboy161 votes

Wait... WOAH. now everything seems like it could go in so many different directions...

Kingsgrave1 votes

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Wait... WOAH. now everything seems like it could go in so many different directions...

Are the depictions and paintings and murals of Aatrox in Demacia actually Aatrox?

OOH

KnivingDude2 votes

Too bad Riot is probably ganna just Jayce the dang theory like they did with Victor.

Cerbearus1 votes

I hope we get something eventually on the Ruined King. Riot was like "Yeah Kalista knew him..." and didn't do much with it.

Would like to see him as a playable champ, maybe as a reworked/renamed Yorick?

GreenLore1 votes

Nah they should keep yorick,I mean yorick is kind of a grave digger and that wouldn't fit for a king(and Azir does the "commander"-thing already)

But yeah the question remains what kind of undead the ruined king is.I mean riot will most likely try to make him different from the rest,so far we've got: Hecarim undead rider/centaur Mordekaiser evil overlord(he and heca could also count as ghost-armor) Karthus a lich Yorick a grave digger(also uses ghouls) Kalista a vengeful spirit Elise spider-girl Evelynn not even riot knows what she's supposed to be....

There are also a mummyAmumu ,an undead juggernautSion and an undead cyborgUrgot

Maple Crusader1 votes

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Nah they should keep yorick,I mean yorick is kind of a grave digger and that wouldn't fit for a king(and Azir does the "commander"-thing already)

But yeah the question remains what kind of undead the ruined king is.I mean riot will most likely try to make him different from the rest,so far we've got: Hecarim undead rider/centaur Mordekaiser evil overlord(he and heca could also count as ghost-armor) Karthus a lich Yorick a grave digger(also uses ghouls) Kalista a vengeful spirit Elise spider-girl Evelynn not even riot knows what she's supposed to be....

There are also a mummyAmumu ,an undead juggernautSion and an undead cyborgUrgot

Riot may use a combination of traits from all these champions (except for Elise and Evelynn) to create the Ruined King. It would be awesome to see a sword wielding Lich king who commands an army of vengeful spirits and ravenous ghouls. I'm just grasping at straws here, but the RK's possible kit could incorporate spirit soldiers, but he doesn't have to rely on dumb AI controlled pets to do his bidding.

GreenLore1 votes

Thing is that in this case he would make everyone else look like an inferior version of him.

Its like oh yeah,you want to play a nine-tailed fox,but are tired of ahri?Or you want to be a light mage,but hate Lux? Well here is Luhri the new champ who is both a light mage and a gumiho at the same time,making the previous two redundant!

When Azir was released they explained that when they do a champion based on a certain concept,then they want to do it right.So azir is not a sand mage,but THE sand mage.And thus Yorick is not a ghoul summoner,but THE ghoul summoner,Karthus is not a lich,but THE lich,etc.

Hugh Drectum1 votes

Stand Up, Shower, Leave the House, Interact with the world outside.

I understand it would be scary for someone who spends all day doing this tho.

Kingsgrave2 votes

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Stand Up, Shower, Leave the House, Interact with the world outside.

I understand it would be scary for someone who spends all day doing this tho.

I got this idea from walking around town doing errands. Its almost like people can think about things they are interested in no matter what they do or where they go. Such a novel concept right?

Hugh Drectum1 votes

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I got this idea from walking around town doing errands. Its almost like people can think about things they are interested in no matter what they do or where they go. Such a novel concept right?

My point was 100% proven there.

Your out running errands thinking of LEAGUE stuff. Not even the game...the 3rd party made up fiction. I LARP,PlayCards, pride my nerd! But that is addiction, and by all definitions counterproductive to life.

I guess maybe this is really how riot keeps the general masses quite. They are all so blinded by 3rd party fan pages and PURE ridiculousness to notice the heads of this community aren't even active members. As a head of a community, I don't think that's possible. PERIOD! HENCE our issues.

Using Bill n Ted was a way over grasp too. Lets take something totally awesome and try to tie it into something that's LIKE TOTALLY BOGUS.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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My point was 100% proven there.

Your out running errands thinking of LEAGUE stuff. Not even the game...the 3rd party made up fiction. I LARP,PlayCards, pride my nerd! But that is addiction, and by all definitions counterproductive to life.

I guess maybe this is really how riot keeps the general masses quite. They are all so blinded by 3rd party fan pages and PURE ridiculousness to notice the heads of this community aren't even active members. As a head of a community, I don't think that's possible. PERIOD! HENCE our issues.

Using Bill n Ted was a way over grasp too. Lets take something totally awesome and try to tie it into something that's LIKE TOTALLY BOGUS.

Dude I think about literally everything because Im a contemplative man. League was 1 of maybe 400 topics on my mind.

Hugh Drectum1 votes

161 IQ with Einsteins disorder and like the man himself slightly dyslexic.

My brain is a scrolling memory bank of useless information. Still no excuse...

ill leave you alone to your thoughts.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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161 IQ with Einsteins disorder and like the man himself slightly dyslexic.

My brain is a scrolling memory bank of useless information. Still no excuse...

ill leave you alone to your thoughts.

lol 180 IQ with Aspergers as well dawg. Only difference here is Im an ISTP and you don't see to be an Introverted Thinker user in terms of function.

Hugh Drectum1 votes

No im a literal do it the right the first time, can't understand stupid kind of person. I figured out most everything just by looking at it. I just don't see the learning gap for average humans.

I am also a combat veteran too. So my thinking paths are going to be different for sure.

This started as a F*&#$ you troll post and turned into decent conversation. Add me if you want.

Ill leave ur thread alone.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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No im a literal do it the right the first time, can't understand stupid kind of person. I figured out most everything just by looking at it. I just don't see the learning gap for average humans.

I am also a combat veteran too. So my thinking paths are going to be different for sure.

This started as a F*&#$ you troll post and turned into decent conversation. Add me if you want.

Ill leave ur thread alone.

Well I'm super semantic and overly philosophical about literally everything, so we seem to be opposites in many ways. Currently applying for disability due to my inability to work or even function in most social environments. Thought about joining an armed force but was turned down for various mental and physical reasons.

Maple Crusader1 votes

So what're saying is that Jarvan I was the Ruined King of the Shadow Isles? I don't think Karthus was involved in the JI's resurrection because the formerly human mage came to the Shadow Isles long after it got turned into the infamous, Undead realm that we are familiar with. Since Mordekaiser was the first Undead, he may have brought back Jarvan I to fulfill his own agenda.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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So what're saying is that Jarvan I was the Ruined King of the Shadow Isles? I don't think Karthus was involved in the JI's resurrection because the formerly human mage came to the Shadow Isles long after it got turned into the infamous, Undead realm that we are familiar with. Since Mordekaiser was the first Undead, he may have brought back Jarvan I to fulfill his own agenda.

I revised the theory to be Jarvan 1 is the body of the reincarnation of the shadow isles after being killed.

The Ruined King1 votes

I love reading all these theories.

Senpai DreamGuy1 votes

the only problem i see here is that the jarvans all used the same weapon so the sword doesn't make sense its a cool concept

Hell Week1 votes

Please stop this, i really get hooked on this type of things... im trying to learn french first, LET ME LEARN ONE THING AT A TIME!!!

Kingsgrave3 votes

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Please stop this, i really get hooked on this type of things... im trying to learn french first, LET ME LEARN ONE THING AT A TIME!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHSIrVh_wY

Hell Week1 votes

bahahahaha! this made my day.

Potato Doc1 votes

Or you know J1 could be mordekaiser? Great general, heralded as one of much fear. THey both share that

Hecarim lost his memories of his past life, why couldnt mordekaiser as well?

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