Riot an Idea for future lore/gameplay reworks, that would increase interactivity, and prevent Varus.

Skorch·12/2/2017, 11:06:43 AM·39 votes·1,757 views

Well situations like Varus'

Whenever you announce a rework whether lore or gameplay, and I mean ANNOUNCE, as in you know that you are doing it. This is to prevent a argument of "We dont want to do this in case plans change" This is for when its guaranteed. Pin a post on the boards. Post on Reddit, ask people on social media etc... What they think is the most important aspect a champion is. I dont think this wouldve prevented Varus from happening, but at least people would feel like they have a say. For instance:

Riot post: We just announced we are reworking Irelia. Players what do you think is the most important part of her kit. Players: Well her high mobility, bruisery-ness, and that Frostbooty Irelia. Rioters to other Rioters: So we need to keep her mobility and a similar playstyle. And most imporantly FROSTBOOTY IRELIA.

Example 2: Riot Post: We are updating [these] champions lore soon what do you players think? Varus Main: His self sacrifice and his dilemma with him being the cause of his families death. Nautilus Main: He has the best Revenge story IMO of all the champions, so keep that part the same. Shaco Main: SOMETHING ANYTHING PLEASE GOD

Something like this would allow Riot plenty of feedback on what players want. As well as not making empty promises. Please Riot start doing it so that people are content with their MAINS being changed.

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Beyond Legends12/2/2017, 11:30:08 AM8 votes

Pointless in my opinion, although the change with varus was suprising with regards to varus. The main will never be happy with any change, it's the very nature of a retcon.

Trying to appease everyone will only land in disaster. It's better if they don't listen to the community, because the only ever answer you ever get is don't change anyrhing.

Look at Viktor lol. Old lore fan will never be happy with the change, Riot should just focus on rebuilding the new base. Eventually the old lore nut will dies out and replace with a new set of people who care for the new lore.

The Anagram King12/2/2017, 11:10:53 AM6 votes

They sorta' did this with Viktor, and sorta screwed him up anyways.

They also did it with Urgot. And though the feedback indicated that the fanbase liked nightmare/grotesquegot, he didn't really get that. Also he became an anarchist, which was very out of left-field.

I saw someone else post this after the Varus lore reveal, and I'm going to echo it:

"Don't get attached to the old lore. Riot's going to ruin your favourite character."

It's not a matter of if, but when. And the more you obsess over a character, the worse it'll be. :P

Darrosh Jewfist12/2/2017, 4:42:09 PM5 votes

People generally don't know what they want. Like, if you had sat down a bunch of people in committee at large - you'd never get things like the Marvel Cinematic Universe or Overwatch. Oh jeez, a billionaire playboy in a suit saving the world? That's a batman rip off. Guy who is frozen for years from WW2 and is a super soldier? So contrived/dated. Uh, Norse gods exist? Wtf is this timeline even, lmao! Billionare mecha-suit guy, a living legend, a demi-god, a guy with anger management issues, and a couple master assassins? So lame and forced. It'd never work.

I think if Riot executed their stories better, as the MCU has done, they could silence a lot of hate. Honestly, the new Varus story wasn't told very well - especially Act I of the comics.

ltmetal12/2/2017, 11:40:55 PM3 votes

Riot Post: We are updating [Shaco] lore soon what do you think. Shaco Main: SOMETHING ANYTHING PLEASE GOD

I'm still laughing about this 12 hours later.

Quepha12/2/2017, 10:23:28 PM2 votes

That is a thing they said they would do a long time ago.

It is a thing they did for a while.

Then they stopped doing it. They're just going to forget again.

Dreamspitter12/2/2017, 1:35:12 PM1 votes

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Well situations like Varus'

Whenever you announce a rework whether lore or gameplay, and I mean ANNOUNCE, as in you know that you are doing it. This is to prevent a argument of "We dont want to do this in case plans change" This is for when its guaranteed. Pin a post on the boards. Post on Reddit, ask people on social media etc... What they think is the most important aspect a champion is. I dont think this wouldve prevented Varus from happening, but at least people would feel like they have a say. For instance:

Riot post: We just announced we are reworking Irelia. Players what do you think is the most important part of her kit. Players: Well her high mobility, bruisery-ness, and that Frostbooty Irelia. Rioters to other Rioters: So we need to keep her mobility and a similar playstyle. And most imporantly FROSTBOOTY IRELIA.

Example 2: Riot Post: We are updating [these] champions lore soon what do you players think? Varus Main: His self sacrifice and his dilemma with him being the cause of his families death. Nautilus Main: He has the best Revenge story IMO of all the champions, so keep that part the same. Shaco Main: SOMETHING ANYTHING PLEASE GOD

Something like this would allow Riot plenty of feedback on what players want. As well as not making empty promises. Please Riot start doing it so that people are content with their MAINS being changed.

Shaco: Evil clown trickster with traps. Heath Ledger's Joker. Oh, and his vgu dance needs to be Pennywise new dance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpnWwqwwkTU

Wrathof30012/2/2017, 11:44:36 AM1 votes

They will just end up having to pick and choose aspects from each person suggestions. And they'd eventually end up with something worse than how bad the community 'claims' this change was.

resumed12/3/2017, 2:53:59 PM1 votes

a lot of the time community input can be detrimental. most of the players wont contribute and the rest of the players will want something stupid. the community here will still complain. because each person has their own idea for how the lore should work, apparently.

i cannot say that the lore updates have changed league of legends for worse. even the vastaya update, which made so many people mad. i was just happy that nami was allowed to appear in special interactions videos now, and that she had a definite place in the world. in fact, several of the main champions i play have had their lore massively changed several times and each iteration was more organized and much more thought through than the last.

i have no faith in en masse community input. ive seen the fruit it produces. its nasty. careful consideration must be done with any community involvement