There are now 12 champs that have gone over 1000 days w/o a new skin

Forhonor321··63 votes·5,649 views

Today, when checking on my personal chart of champ skins, I've counted the number of champs that have gone without skins in the longest time. And I did the calculations, there are now over 12 champs in the game that have gone without a new skin for over 1000 days, not counting any duplicate-like skins like Neo-PAX Sivir or URFwick.

  • Urgot 2135 days
  • Swain 2056 days
  • Shen 1690 days
  • Rumble 1376 days
  • Heimerdinger 1264 days
  • JarvanIV 1201 days
  • Evelynn 1137 days
  • Sivir Warwick 1056 days
  • Amumu Udyr 1013 days
  • Galio 1000 days (newest edition, just today)

I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous. I know that a skin should be saved for when there's a good concept for a champion or the argument that some champions are just more popular than others and making a skin for said not popular champ wouldn't raise that many sales or whatever, but having a champ go over 1000 days without a proper new skin is just baffling to me, especially when some of these champs are now recently reworked. Urgot has no reason not to get involved with a new skin and with Swain coming out soon he should start being looked at as well, which BTW needs to be Dragonmaster since everyone asked for it a long time ago and still should work with his reveal.

Edit: OK I want to make one thing perfectly clear. A champ that has recently received a VGU is still counted on this list because I'm talking about** brand new skins** for them. Yes, Urgot and Eve got updated and there current skins are amazing. But here's the thing: they aren't new skins, they are updated! Just because a champ gets an update doesn't exclude them from this list because a skin that they've had for so many years is now nicer looking.

Remember Yorick? You know the guy that had gone on so long without a new skin since his two and was at the top of this list at one point and even after his VGU was still on top of the list? And then finally got the skin he deserved after how long now, 5 maybe 6 years even? VGUs don't give us new skins for the champ, they update the old. And yes, they look nice but it doesn't give us any new concepts or ideas for that champ. Swain, undoubtedly will look good when his rework gets revealed, but he's still going to have his same three alternate skins, just updated, not adding anything new like say, oh, that Dragon Master skin a while back that everyone wanted.

117 Comments

Blood Magicks63 votes

Can you remove the ones that got VGUs? I think it's rude to pretend Riot neglected them after all the work and money that went into a VGU.

Warwick Main7 votes

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Can you remove the ones that got VGUs? I think it's rude to pretend Riot neglected them after all the work and money that went into a VGU.

Skins are about concepts. Even though some of these champions may have gotten vgu's the players who own skins for those champions still haven't had any new concepts introduced. I'm biased of course.

Blood Magicks20 votes

You are biased. Reworking a champ means introducing new concepts to their base and skins. It's a big deal.

Mike Teavee4 votes

I think the point of this post is skins that are available for purchase. Like even Neo-PAX Sivir is hextech crafting, as well as just being a (bad) reproduction. I have both PAX and Neo-Pax and they - as well as Sivir as a champion - are so boring and one-dimensional. It's just a Tron themed skin.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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You are biased. Reworking a champ means introducing new concepts to their base and skins. It's a big deal.

Don't you mean removing all of the concepts, and THEN introducing new ones? Hence why Galio and Yorick mains were upset about their favorite champion's "Reworks".

Le Meme1 votes

reworking a champion and giving a vgu is a lot of work man. think about it. not only are you having to come up with a new kit for a champion, but you have to test it, make sure it goes with the champion. on top of all that you have to go through and rebuild the already made skins. do you know how hard it is to rework a champ like eve ??? lets consider how many skins she has... she has her default skin, and four purchasable skins. so. you're making a base model for this champion. reworking the champions abilities. now. you have all that done. you have to go through and rework EVERY skin that champion already had. then on top of THAT you have to work with the abilities again, the particles, the way they move, the shading. its not as easy as you think and you aren't biased. you're just expecting too much. way too much. would you go to a landscaper and ask him to pull up your yard, Harley rake it, put the sod down, then go ahead and remodel your house too???? no you'll wait a bit, save some money, THEN get someone to remodel ur house. man this stuff takes time and money. quit complaining they doing a lot for u already.Taric

Warwick Main1 votes

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quit complaining they doing a lot for u already.Taric

I haven't complained. I pointed out that as customers, VGUs do not introduce new concepts to the champions we own merely update them. New skins are about new concepts, and players who haven't had a new skin for their champ shouldn't be pushed to the back of the line because Riot decided to update these outdated champs. So stop trying to play defender for a company, and allow their customer base to express their displeasure so they can learn. Also new Warwick skin so foh.

Le Meme1 votes

Okay, yeah I see that now. I'm sorry, I still stand with my word. I'm not defending the company, I'm defending the devs. I think they do a great job. to each their own! hopefully these champions are glorified with good skins!

FakeGravity12 votes

"we arent giving a champion a skin because we just gave them a VGU" vs "we arent giving a champion a skin until they get a VGU" either way they deserve a skin specially if they dont even have plan a VGU for them in a long time

GenoXx3 votes

That doesnt matter, a new skin is complete different then vgu. Seeing that did work on that and seeing that they still haven't given them a new skin doesn't ease anything. In fact a lot of people was hoping for vgu to come with a new skins, and guess what hey didn't.

Turning a blind eye just because yo appreciate the vgu doesn't give Riot the choice to just not give them a new skin.

Garentheon23 votes

Weird that they neglect J4 given he’s always seen pro play

Sukishoo5 votes

Urgot: Just had VGU Swain: VGU to be released soon Shen: Just had a ski-oh no it was Janna XD Rumble: Needs a VGU badly. Heimer: is on the rumored WAD File list so might see something soon. J4: is J4 Eve: Just had a VGU Sivir: Is Sivir Warwick: Lunar Revel 2018 Amumu: Has a promised skin, so he will come Udyr: Meh Galio: just had VGU.

The Darius King4 votes

Swain is getting a vgu soon so don't expect a new skin for him anytime. same with galio and Warwick they also got VGUs which gave a lot of their skins better quality.

Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votes

Taric got a new skin 2 months after his VGU, and Fiora got Project about 5 months after hers. So your argument is pretty redundant.

If Taric and Fiora can get skins very quickly after their VGU's, it's fair to expect these champions will or could.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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Swain is getting a vgu soon so don't expect a new skin for him anytime. same with galio and Warwick they also got VGUs which gave a lot of their skins better quality.

https://image.prntscr.com/image/N9NVzAO8TIuUbRpuRMif9w.png rip best laugh 2012-2017 ty riot

Thefrostyviking4 votes

Champs that got VGU'ed are really not qualified for such a list, even if you say that "they were just updated", that update took a metric ton of effort and hard work, and they went a extra mile to ensure all the skins were unique and distinct.

Not like the old ones that were like say Freljord Ashe, which is basically a glorified recolor.

So the updated champs not only getting new kits and models but also fully updated skins is something to be thankful for, and a skin is nowhere near on the same priority level as that.

They even clearly stated that they won't give champs about to be VGU'ed new skins since it's kind of a waste of effort, which is also reasonable.

So you might as well consider the VGU point as day 1 if you are counting days since they got anything......which means that many above instantly dissapear x)

Which leaves only old champs who probably are pretty high up on the VGU list, except Sivir.

And she got a gemstone skin recently x)

ahferroin73 votes

Of these:

  • Urgot: Already has a number of very popular skins.
  • Swain: Up for VGU, so new skins don't really make sense.
  • Shen: Reasonably low play rate and nobody really asking for skins.
  • Rumble: Reasonably low play rate, and he has a lot of good ones already.
  • Heimerdinger: Same as rumble.
  • J4: Reasonably low play rate, but otherwise could probably use one.
  • Evelynn: Recent VGU, a new skin would be nice but I don't expect one for a while.
  • Sivir: Barely played at all except by OTP's or people new to the game.
  • Warwick: Relatively recent VGU, lots of nice skins.
  • Amumu: Reasonably low play rate, many decent skins.
  • Udyr: Reasonably low play rate, most people who play him already have a skin, and he has an ultimate skin.
  • Galio: Has a lot of very popular skins just like Urgot, and just got a VGU

Notice how pretty much all of them are in situations where it either doesn't make sense to make a skin from a technical perspective (there's no point in working on it if it's going to need to be redone immediately, and it's probably harder to sell new skins right after a VGU), or it doesn't make sense from a financial perspective (you can't reliably sell skins to people who already have ones they like, and you definitely can't sell them to people who have no interest in the champ).

General Esdeath 18 votes

"nobody asking for Shen skins"

Do you not remember Sacred Sword Janna and all the people hyped for a Shen skin? They don't ask as much because Riot never listens to them.

Rude Name2 votes

You mean the Definitely Not Shen skin?

RosaElia1 votes

All those champions have a respectable play rate and just because they aren't as popular as champions like Vayne or Zed, it doesn't mean that people that love to play those champion should get their pleas for a new skin for their beloved champion ignored. And if I can remember a lot of people have been asking for a skin for Shen fro quite some time now, and it the blunder with the Sacred Sword Janna teaser created a new meme for Shen.

ahferroin71 votes

I'm not trying to say that their logic is good (except for the VGU's, trust me, their reasoning there is solid), just what it probably is.

Agent Corgi1 votes

{quoted}

  • Shen: Reasonably low play rate and nobody really asking for skins.

I would have liked a new Shen Shen Skin. :(

That & everytime I see shen in the patch notes, he's being nerfed because of "Organized Play". That leaves me to believe he's either being used alot in Higher ELO's or the Competitive Scene (could be wrong).

ahferroin71 votes

'Organized Play' in this case means good teamwork. Shen is absolutely terrifyingly good if you have good map awareness and coordinate with your team.

Iffy Jarl3 votes

I agree, I mean yeah Riot is a business and it makes sense to invest skins into champs with higher likeliness of people buying them but a champ should have a maximum amount of time they go without a purchasable skin

paisy3 votes

You can remove WW now

Yi Bencheikh3 votes

They just released Lunar revel Warwick skin

paisy2 votes

That's why I said he can remove Warwick of the list?

Forhonor3212 votes

I am aware that WW is getting a new skin and I will bump him down from the list after the skin is officially released. I don't want to look at the PBE, get ready to change the list and then hear that the skin somehow got cancelled, like Sewn Chaos Blitzcrank & Amumu. I like to make sure it hits live before confirming.

paisy2 votes

Because those were low quality skins, doubt Warwick's skin counts as low quality

Sukishoo2 votes

Those were two 750 low quality skins, WW is a most likely 1350 and nowhere near low quality.

IvernBramblefoot2 votes

I'm sorry but this thread is just ridiculous. Why give this much of a shit about skins? they mean nothing. Mechanics actually change the game. skins don't.

RookPusher41 votes

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I'm sorry but this thread is just ridiculous. Why give this much of a shit about skins? they mean nothing. Mechanics actually change the game. skins don't.

You're in the Story, Art, & Sound board, none of which change the game.

IvernBramblefoot1 votes

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You're in the Story, Art, & Sound board, none of which change the game.

"I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous." you said that, that's your words. you come in here and say it's ridiculous that those champs don't have skins. I say its ridiculous that you care as much as you do. I'm actually right, you're not, you know why? because the skins don't matter. meanwhile, your behavior does. Riot doesn't give a fuck, and neither does the majority of the playerbase. You might want to try that, there's a lot of power in not giving a fuck.

RookPusher20 votes

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"I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous." you said that, that's your words. you come in here and say it's ridiculous that those champs don't have skins. I say its ridiculous that you care as much as you do. I'm actually right, you're not, you know why? because the skins don't matter. meanwhile, your behavior does. Riot doesn't give a fuck, and neither does the majority of the playerbase. You might want to try that, there's a lot of power in not giving a fuck.

I didn't say anything was ridiculous.

There's a lot of power in doing your homework before getting on your soapbox.

Lùmen2 votes

You should count out those who got VGUs and all of their skins were worked on. Shen included considering the change of quality in his skins as well. Udyr has an ultimate skin, he doesn't really need more than that.

Arakadia1 votes

The quality on his skins arent that good beyond the models which are default.

Besides he got his rework years ago.

Lùmen1 votes

But be honest, do you really think he needs another skin? Or at least, do you think he should have priority over others? Not including stuff like Ahri, the kind of content that Riot make just for the cash grab, but for a champion that actually deserves it

Arakadia3 votes

Yes I do.

He hasn't gotten a new skin for nearly 1700 days. Thats just over four and a half years. Literally none of his skins change his swords color either. I don't think he has any new particles on skins.

I'm curious as to what makes a champion "deserve' a skin. And why you think he does/does not deserve a skin.

cyberchade2 votes

Vladimir Mordekaiser Zilean should be an this list two. right?

kagepaladin2 votes

mordekaiser is currently sitting at 963 days I was checking that myself Cause I know the king of clubs skin was a fair bit ago.

Forhonor3212 votes

You know your stuff. 963 days for him

Yi Bencheikh1 votes

Vladimir needs an update to his legendary skin like pulsefire ezreal did , and no don't say ezreal got it because it is an ultimate skin and because of cait , champions shouldn't get favourited over others.

Infernape4 votes

That is exactly why Pulsefire got updated though. It was because it was an ultimate that was basically an expensive 1820 skin, and because Pulsefire Caitlyn got released at the same time. It kills two birds with one stone.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

I count 11... i suspect you missed Warwick since you mentioned urfwick?

Forhonor3213 votes

...I included Warwick in the list. He's tied with Sivir since they had their last skins released on the same day.

I NEED HEALlNG1 votes

where's zilean? i know he's went at least 1000

Forhonor3213 votes

Zilean has gone without a skin in a while yes, but he's not at 1000....yet. He's currently sitting around 973 days. So roughly a month before he joins the 1000 high club

xelaker1 votes

{quoted}

Today, when checking on my personal chart of champ skins, I've counted the number of champs that have gone without skins in the longest time. And I did the calculations, there are now over 12 champs in the game that have gone without a new skin for over 1000 days, not counting any duplicate-like skins like Neo-PAX Sivir or URFwick.

  • Urgot 2135 days
  • Swain 2056 days
  • Shen 1690 days
  • Rumble 1376 days
  • Heimerdinger 1264 days
  • JarvanIV 1201 days
  • Evelynn 1137 days
  • Sivir Warwick 1056 days
  • Amumu Udyr 1013 days
  • Galio 1000 days (newest edition, just today)

urgot got a huge rework update man. swain is coming up on one. the next 4 could use something, but do have decent skins to choose from. eve got a huge rework as well. WW got his little rework update and urfwick was put up for purchase again technically. Mumu and ud could use skins, but still have decent skins to choose from. Galio also got a huge rework that changed all his skins.

also understand that riot is a buisness so champs like shen or udyr might not have high skin sales or popularity so making skins wouldn't get a big return in $$$

iEmily1 votes

Rip any champ that isnt Lux or Jinx

Linna Excel4 votes

Or Ahri. The skins team wants to do 17 Ahri skins this year.

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