Riot, give MF the Gangplank treatment.

Remlap1223·Aug 2, 2015·77 votes·6,065 views

I think we all agree that since you're taking such drastic measures with Gangplank, Miss Fortune at least deserves Captain Fortune as her classic skin. If you're willing to drastically change GP's concept so much, disabling him because of "lore" (I know about the bug, my tinfoil hat isn't going anywhere), then why can't you do the same to MF? Give her an actual Traditional Skin, and make Captain Fortune classic as a thank you to the players. You made Draven's Legendary skin 975 RP, so why can't you do the same to MF?

70 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerAug 2, 201526 votes

Well, for starters. that kinda screws over everyone who already bought the skin

Celio Hogane HDAug 2, 201517 votes

not really, probably would include refunds, so they can buy another thing with the RP :D

HawkefireAug 2, 201519 votes

"refund" is a dirty word in Riots vocabulary.

They would never give out refunds for it, and that is why they will never do it.

Celio Hogane HDAug 2, 20157 votes

what are you talking about when they re-released the old skins they refunded Rp to people, and that was not even necesary!

Cherry PandaAug 2, 201511 votes

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"refund" is a dirty word in Riots vocabulary.

They would never give out refunds for it, and that is why they will never do it.

they'd still have their money you just get 975 rp back

RoyaiChaosAug 2, 20154 votes

No it's not, they've refunded people plenty of times for plenty of reasons.

HawkefireAug 2, 20151 votes

And now they have stopped doing that. Don't like how a visual update changed that skin that you paid for? Too bad, you are stuck with it unless you have a refund token left.

Don't like the reworked champions kit because it destroyed the reason that you liked playing him? Too bad, you are stuck with it unless you have a refund token left.

They started this pretty much last year from today (give or take a month or two)

Ashe RayneAug 3, 20151 votes

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4572524

HawkefireAug 4, 20151 votes

Case and point?

As a result of these factors, we've decided that beginning with the Karthus champion update, **we will stop processing refund requests **for updated champions. It would be awesome to have a process that specifically targets those players significantly impacted by an update and doesn't interfere with Player Support's ability to quickly solve vital support issues, but we are far off from a good solution to this.

Emperor TimeAug 3, 20153 votes

Here's ritos policy on refunds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6SlCQgX3Ts

ItemsGuyAug 2, 20157 votes

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Ashe RayneAug 3, 20151 votes

what?

BottleCapsterAug 2, 201513 votes

I do find it in kind of bad taste tbh. They did a full on Visual update for GP, "Kill" him, then surprise us with his new base being a skin? If Lore can dictate something as drastic as this, a champion not only being disabled but having his base existance changed by the lore, then why is Captain Fortune not her canon base? With all the promotion and lore tie-ins MF had basically the same sort of growth that GP had, and yet her gameplay changes were minor and her new Lore appearance is purchase only.

Now i don't think that Riot really owes us a Miss Fortune skin, but the way that Captain fortune, and really MF in general has been handled during this event lore notwithstanding has really just made her second fiddle to Gangplank, which is honestly just really kind of a bummer.

Remlap1223Aug 2, 20152 votes

Now i don't think that Riot really owes us a Miss Fortune skin, but the way that Captain fortune, and really MF in general has been handled during this event lore notwithstanding has really just made her second fiddle to Gangplank, which is honestly just really kind of a bummer.

This is just really appalling to me personally as an MF main, because my other main (Gangplank) has been dumpstered for about the same time as MF. Sure he got a couple new skins, and he got some major QOL changes before his relaunch, but he's been shit for only slightly longer than MF is. Why couldn't they have made MF just as good. She isn't just second fiddle, she's an afterthought. They gave her bigger tits and made her model not ugly, and that's pretty much it. She didn't get a rework like GP, nor did she get any awesome lore to gameplay treatment like he did either. If you played GP a lot, outside of him being disabled, you got a real treat this event. If you played MF a lot, you got kicked in the dick (or vagina or whatever).

HandheldBrandonAug 3, 20155 votes

They also cleaned up her auto animation so its smoother and more responsive, Changed her Q and made it hit far harder in lane making her even more of a bully, and gave her the ability to regain her passive instantly by using her W to chase or escape. When you generalize shit so trivially it can make anything sound bad.

Remlap1223Aug 3, 20152 votes

Cool, they gave her some new bells and whistles. Only thing was they addressed a grand total of zero of her gameplay issues. Her passive? A band-aid. Her Q? Nope, just front loaded damage onto it in the incorrect way. Her W? That was actually a nerf since they removed grievous wounds, sure it';s on a lower cooldown and procs strut now, but strut is so easily knocked off it doesn't matter. Her E? Ok, that was an actual buff, and a good one. Her ultimate? Nothing.

These changes ARE trivial. All in all Miss Fortune got a glorified band-aid while Gangplank's actually really damn good. Sure, she may have won in lore, but in gameplay and actual effort put in, the pirate king is the clear victor.

HandheldBrandonAug 3, 20154 votes

Thats all she needed.

She was never a terrible ADC she just wasn't what teams needed. When teams need an AOE ADC i guarantee you that MF will be Queen. Her strengths have always been her ability to bully others in the laning phase and to dominate the lane that way. There are very few champs that can actually bully as well as she can and among them she is queen.

Her W is better now sure she lost grievous wounds but honestly it didn't hurt her that much and her Q has always worked this way so nothing really was changed about it except now if bounced off a target that dies it does a ton more damage. I have seen that shit hit for almost 400 damage at level 2 which is insane. Gangplank also received new abilities and ability changes MF just got abilities updated and a make over which is perfectly fine by me.

You can cry and cry all you want but i don't know about you but i like the MF changes and i feel they went a long way in making her better.

Remlap1223Aug 3, 20152 votes

Thats all she needed.

If that's the case, why is she not played outside of Silver?

She was never a terrible ADC she just wasn't what teams needed. When teams need an AOE ADC i guarantee you that MF will be Queen. Her strengths have always been her ability to bully others in the laning phase and to dominate the lane that way. There are very few champs that can actually bully as well as she can and among them she is queen.

Sivir is a better AOE ADC than MF is right now. Ashe, Sivir, and Tristana do a better job at lane bullying than Miss Fortune does.

Her W is better now sure she lost grievous wounds but honestly it didn't hurt her that much and her Q has always worked this way so nothing really was changed about it except now if bounced off a target that dies it does a ton more damage. I have seen that shit hit for almost 400 damage at level 2 which is insane. Gangplank also received new abilities and ability changes MF just got abilities updated and a make over which is perfectly fine by me.

Her grievous wounds were her only niche that she had that was better than every other ADC. I sound like a fucking broken record having to say this over and over again. Literally every other ADC does her job better. Graves and Lucian have greater burst damage and poke, Sivir and Varus are better at bullying the lane and poking, and Vayne and Twitch are better duelists.

You can cry and cry all you want but i don't know about you but i like the MF changes and i feel they went a long way in making her better.

Well yeah, you put perfume on a piece of shit it's going to smell better. But outside the slight flowery hint, it still smells like shit. These changes are a band-aid, nothing more, and no amount of denial on your part or cirlejerking from the boards is going to change the fact that Miss Fortune has a long way to go in terms of changes before she's viable.

HandheldBrandonAug 3, 20154 votes

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If that's the case, why is she not played outside of Silver?

Sivir is a better AOE ADC than MF is right now. Ashe, Sivir, and Tristana do a better job at lane bullying than Miss Fortune does.

You don't pick Sivir for her AOE you pick her for her crazy ultimate and her ability to decide whether her team goes in or gets the fuck out.

Also MF is a far better AOE teamfighter than All the carries you mention because she forces teams to disperse with her ultimate or sit inside it and take a ton of magic and physical damage. Just because Ashe and trist have an ability or 2 that effects multiple people doesn't make them AOE ADC's. MF's kit is designed to do as much damage to as many people as possible and to also bully her way into mid game.

Her grievous wounds were her only niche that she had that was better than every other ADC. I sound like a fucking broken record having to say this over and over again. Literally every other ADC does her job better. Graves and Lucian have greater burst damage and poke, Sivir and Varus are better at bullying the lane and poking, and Vayne and Twitch are better duelists.

Her grievous wounds was meh to begin with and only really shined against heavy heal comps or a soraka support lane and then against the lifesteal once champs got enough. Even then it was a such a minor factor that it didn't even matter because if she was ahead her damage from her Q made it negligible at best.

Well yeah, you put perfume on a piece of shit it's going to smell better. But outside the slight flowery hint, it still smells like shit. These changes are a band-aid, nothing more, and no amount of denial on your part or cirlejerking from the boards is going to change the fact that Miss Fortune has a long way to go in terms of changes before she's viable.

We can sit here and argue all day long but in the end the changes went through and there isn't shit you can do about it. You can say whatever you wan't but regardless your crying will do absolutely nothing and will get you absolutely no where while the rest of us deal with and learn to adapt instead of bitching like a child that didn't get its fucking way.

OverpoweredSoapAug 2, 20158 votes

You don't need the tinfoil hat because they said awhile back that they disabled him for lore reasons.

SpecterVonBarenAug 2, 20155 votes

No, he's saying he still has a tinfoil hat because he sees that as a smokescreen despite what Riot said.

Remlap1223Aug 2, 20153 votes

He's actually bugged. It's kinda a dick move that Riot didn't just say "yeah GP's bugged, he was disabled for a day for lore reasons, but it lasted longer cuz we found two bugs."

Draven could attack his barrels on his allied team and infinitely stack his passive.

Placing wards underneath his barrels would make them invincible.

Ashe RayneAug 3, 20151 votes

How can you be so sure that's why he got disabled?

Remlap1223Aug 3, 20151 votes

Because those two bugs are only the ones I personally haven't confirmed. As for the ones I do know about, it was with Gangplank's upgrades to his ultimate. I only was ever able to get Death's Daughter to work. Fire at Will and Raise Morale did not work in any playthrough I had.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but an ultimate just flat out not working as intended on a recently updated champion, I think that's a good enough reason to disable him.

Oh, and if you don't believe me, remember that Gangplank was also disabled when they got rid of the RNG on his ultimate prework, because it ended up taunting minions, somehow.

Ashe RayneAug 3, 20151 votes

Now those are a lot of bugs. I hope they all get fixed when he gets back in action. Have these been all reported on the bug reports forum? Anyway, I still don't think that's why they disabled him. If they disable champs because of bugs they outright say so. At least that's been the case for past champs. And from reading other post about this, I can tell that the lore team worked pretty hard for this event. So no, I still don't think it was because of them scurvy bugs. I mean think about it, if they were really planning on just disabling GP for a day, that would not work well for Act 3. I mean, in Act 3 his ship goes boom, GP goes missing and is implied dead. He then gets disabled. Now if it was suppose to be only for a day then that would be a major spoiler for the following act, The Epilogue, since that's where we find out he only loses an arm and ain't actually dead. Mind you, Acts 1, 2, 3 and the Epilogue were spaced days apart which would indicate that GP was meant to be disabled for quite some time. For the story's sake. :3

Remlap1223Aug 3, 20151 votes

Well, bulletproof logic there. Just one loose end. Why hasn't he been re enabled yet?

TraumlosAug 3, 20156 votes

I want to be excited about all the Gangplank stuff, and the story (which I think was well-written out, despite a little bit of dodgy progression design in the quests)-- but I just. Can't. Because there's this gigantic double standard when it comes to Miss Fortune in all of this.

Gangplank got updated VO! ... Twice (once before he "died", and more lines after). But they couldn't change MF's VO at all? It has now-obsolete references to "summoners", and is pretty bare bones in terms of characterization, but they haven't touched it. Yet they've obviously revised their idea of what Miss Fortune is: she had a rather pivotal role in the Bilgewater event; she hatched this long-planned scheme; she got an updated blurb on the League site. I avoided playing her before because she didn't have much character imo, and I couldn't really connect with her-- but I absolutely adore how they updated her, and how she feels more like an actual character.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that her canon skin, Captain Fortune, is just that. A skin.

Default skin matters. A character's classic skin is, for all intents and purposes, the strongest identity of a character. It's a representation of how they exist in the world. Captain Fortune is Miss Fortune now, in canon Runeterra, yet she retains her old appearance. I was already feeling very iffy about that- but when juxtaposed with all the attention Gangplank has gotten, it just... it just feels like a double standard, and one that I don't understand at all.

At the very least, I'd like a good reason why Riot chose to treat Gangplank the way that they did, and why they treated Miss Fortune the way they did. Because to me it just feels awkward and unjustifiable that they did all this for GP, yet conveniently looked the other way for MF...? It makes the GP stuff less special. It just doesn't many any sense.

Leu07Aug 3, 20155 votes

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I do find it in kind of bad taste tbh. They did a full on Visual update for GP, "Kill" him, then surprise us with his new base being a skin? If Lore can dictate something as drastic as this, a champion not only being disabled but having his base existance changed by the lore, then why is Captain Fortune not her canon base? With all the promotion and lore tie-ins MF had basically the same sort of growth that GP had, and yet her gameplay changes were minor and her new Lore appearance is purchase only.

Now i don't think that Riot really owes us a Miss Fortune skin, but the way that Captain fortune, and really MF in general has been handled during this event lore notwithstanding has really just made her second fiddle to Gangplank, which is honestly just really kind of a bummer.

THIS, A MILLION TIMES THIS

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Frankly? That skin is by no means the actual representation of lore: she does not rule Bilgeeater, she plunged it into chaos

No, if you read the lore now, she WAS a bounty hunter, but only to gain resources and access to the tools she needed to complete her revenge against Gangplank. Lore wise, Captain Fortune is the reason they made his base model change.

Her new lore is AMAZING. She has her own crew, ship (The Syren), and overthrew Gangplank. Even if he's not dead, he got no ship (The Syren blew it up), no allies (Captain Fortune asked for their heads). Captain Fortune was also advertised as the uncrowned queen of Bilgewater on release.

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I think i do not understand: did you mean "take the meaning of queen"?

Well, as far as i know captain mf was an alternative story, like how would be if her role was swapped with gangplank. It makes sense then that the captain skin, right now, is the alternative and no more the actual standing of the champion. Not sure if i mad emyself clear.

The skin was advertised as The uncrowned queen of bilgewater, but that model is the one that was used in the development of the Burning Tide's lore (just look at the login screen). It's not an alternative story if they used Captain Fortune to kill Gangplank in his actual storyline.

in Act III, the crewmember even noticed a change in MF after she acted on her revenge.

Also, you don't have to be a pirate to be a captain.

DecritAug 2, 20154 votes

Frankly? That skin is by no means the actual representation of lore: she does not rule Bilgeeater, she plunged it into chaos

KemoBigDSabiAug 3, 20151 votes

when did captain take the minion of queen?

DecritAug 3, 20152 votes

I think i do not understand: did you mean "take the meaning of queen"?

Well, as far as i know captain mf was an alternative story, like how would be if her role was swapped with gangplank. It makes sense then that the captain skin, right now, is the alternative and no more the actual standing of the champion. Not sure if i mad emyself clear.

MrBuffingtonAug 2, 20153 votes

I wouldn't mind another free skin, MF is one of my favorite ADCs right now

SlyfoxkanAug 2, 20153 votes

GP isnt dead. they just posted some new info on him and a new skin for us GP mains http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/red-post-post-gangplank-returns-and-end.html

Remlap1223Aug 2, 20154 votes

Still, he's getting a new classic skin and his "traditional" skin. Why can't MF get the same treatment?

AbyssphereAug 2, 201511 votes

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Still, he's getting a new classic skin and his "traditional" skin. Why can't MF get the same treatment?

I feel like the reason is that we don't actually know if Miss Fortune IS gonna rule Bilgewater now. She certainly wants to but there's a huge power struggle there at the moment and with Gangplank not actually dead, it's really not easy to imagine her being the undisputed ruler of the region now. So I feel like "Captain Fortune" is more of a "what she'd be like IF she ruled Bilgewater" skin than anything.

KemoBigDSabiAug 2, 20151 votes

captain means you have a ship not rule a spot...

HandheldBrandonAug 3, 20157 votes

It is not that cut and dry and you know it.

XypherAug 2, 20153 votes

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Still, he's getting a new classic skin and his "traditional" skin. Why can't MF get the same treatment?

I don't think he's getting a traditional skin, it seems like this was the plan all along but they released GP's Captain skin in a fancier way compared to MF's Captain skin.

ShénzhìAug 3, 20151 votes

Why should she? No.

SoleousAug 3, 20151 votes

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GP isnt dead. they just posted some new info on him and a new skin for us GP mains http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/red-post-post-gangplank-returns-and-end.html

Everyone knows. You're slow.

SlyfoxkanAug 3, 20152 votes

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Everyone knows. You're slow.

did you see when i posted that?.... or did u just instantly respond -_-

ApphroditteAug 2, 20153 votes

i second this , as a dedicated mf player gp getting a more whats basically 2 VU's one of which is now a free skin i feel especially sad that ill have to buy the captain mf skin instead of it being her default

AnnapiiAug 3, 20153 votes

It would be more fitting to have Captain Fortune as her new classic skin. But I don't want her previous classic skin to be called Traditional Miss Fortune- Why not Bounty Hunter Miss Fortune? That's much more fitting.

Silents429Aug 3, 20153 votes

Can't a champion just have a nice thing happen to them and the people that play them without some bloke complaining that everyone should get the same thing?

This wouldn't be special if we decided to do the same for all the champions. Unlike GP, Ms Fortune wasn't disabled for 2 weeks, And while she plays a big role in the event she isn't the main role.

KuboxAug 3, 20153 votes

I don't want Captain Fortune to be her main skin though. While the splash is incredible, the in-game model very clearly shows Miss Fortune as a Pirate Captain, not a Pirate Hunter. Doesn't mean I hate it, I love the Captain Fortune's skin, but it really shows a fantasy, not the character.

Not to mention, all her other skins are based on her original model, that's kind of how skins work. By making Captain Fortune the new main skin, the skins would become skins of a skin, which would be awkward.

Buy the skin if you want it.

JacobofcourseAug 3, 20153 votes

I love how Riot is nice and gives out more free stuff outside of the norm but people still complain about something else. I wouldn't edge them on about disabling someone due to a lore. They just may pick you main next for the ultimate troll.

lolipopevelynnAug 2, 20152 votes

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I think we all agree that since you're taking such drastic measures with Gangplank, Miss Fortune at least deserves Captain Fortune as her classic skin. If you're willing to drastically change GP's concept so much, disabling him because of "lore" (I know about the bug, my tinfoil hat isn't going anywhere), then why can't you do the same to MF? Give her an actual Traditional Skin, and make Captain Fortune classic as a thank you to the players. You made Draven's Legendary skin 975 RP, so why can't you do the same to MF?

because its too late, people already bought the skin and riot dont like refunds.

iainB85Aug 3, 20152 votes

Miss Fortune really got the shaft in this event.

Her base model is still pretty crappy, and her gameplay 'rework' changed nothing about her play style and addressed zero of her core issues, making her still a bottom tier ADC.