You know, I have to admit, I really am jealous of Sharjo...

Electro522··2 votes·908 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjDhcRSoj8w

I just got to watch this awesome video from Necrit, and afterwards, I simply couldn't help but say to myself "Sharjo could answer this."

But, alas, here are the rest of us simply left wondering. If you do read this, Sharjo, are you allowed to answer what those symbols are that Necrit showed near the end of the video? No? (damnit) Can you at least answer if they have any significance?

Still no?(sigh) Fine.....I'll see myself out.

22 Comments

Sharjo11 votes

A few things that come to mind:

  • Necrit mentions celestial dragons, but there's only one such being in existence. Aurelion Sol certainly wasn't alone in the early universe, but those beings weren't like him in form or power.

  • As far as any lore has stated Aurelion Sol's visit to meet Targon was his first trip to Runeterra period. He hadn't seen humans before that and potentially humans might not have even existed back then, though of course that depends on whether Targon was a nation of humans, which I personally doubt heavily.

  • Necrit posits that Aurelion's enslavement was specifically so that Targon could use him to close Void rifts, but Targon has used him for much more than that, including forcing him to fight some of those celestial beings he shared the early cosmos with.

  • Necrit then goes on to describe how it might've been gods who chose people to become Aspects, but he seemingly confuses the fact that the Essence of War that he describes IS Pantheon. The Aspects have avatars on multiple worlds and are beings that are not all that comprehensible to simple mortals. This traces back to Necrit assuming that the beings who enslaves Aurelion were humans originally, which has no evidence backing it up as far as I recall.

  • Necrit then goes on to say that the only reason Targon would do this would be to fight the Void, but that's just assuming since Targon's mindset could've been completely malicious; they might've wanted him to serve as a weapon so they could control as much of the cosmos as possible.

  • He then ponders about how the Aspects spread the seed of life to other worlds, creating humans to fight for them, but firstly there's no evidence to say Targon could ever do that, and two humans are pretty much exclusive to Runeterra afaik. The only true aliens we have in the roster atm are Aurelion Sol, Soraka and Bard (and all of the voidborn), so not a big sample size but all of them are pretty distinct from humans.

  • Necrit posits that Targon had to have had help and prior knowledge of beings like Aurelion Sol to enslave him with Star Crowns, but given they were already a space faring civilisation there's potential for them having done this all on their own. Mortals have done stranger things in the past.

  • Necrit assumes that Runeterra's magic was put there by someone, but there's no player facing lore that speaks to how magic came to exist in the universe to begin with, so there's nothing to suggest that some god put it there.

  • Necrit discusses the approach between the Aspects of the Sun and Moon in regards to informing Leona and Diana, but makes the leap that Leona was given only half of the story, or even a completely factual story by her Aspect, where as the Moon Aspect purposefully didn't tell Diana the full story. This could be put down to the Aspects having different approaches to interacting with their chosen vessels, which we know is the case between Pantheon and the Protector anyway, so the Moon Aspect might just be trying to show Diana in a different manner to leona; with memories and freedom to choose her path rather than a great big stonking vision.

  • Necrit mentions Nami's staff has a similar insignia to the Void's, but chances are the Void's insignia exists because of some mortal culture making one, and that the resemblance is just a coincidence. Nothing about Nami's lore directly states that her people know anything about the Void in any regard.

  • Necrit's analysis of Bard stuff leaves a lot to be desired, since there's no way humans are gonna have access to Abyssal Pearls, the Bard's Mountains are super far away from Mount Targon, Bard not being connected to Targon because "he doesn't wear exclusively gold and silver" is pretty weak, the Noxian commander calling it a "stone" tells us nothing other than what people assume about it, the purple magic being void related is also very weak since the object itself literally glows with blue energy and starlight.

  • He mentions Shurima "forcefully" stealing the power of Ascension, yet people easily died via Ascension from being unworthy, and Azir ascended completely by something else giving it to him. It would be more logical to assume that, if there's a Targonian connection, that Targon was giving the Shurimans power via the Sun Disc to those who the Shurimans brought before them as being worthy of such a boon.

  • Skarner and Rek'Sai don't look all that similar really.

  • While Mount Targon is technically north of Icathia, it's no where near a direct north. Far more east west than north. Also his lore's old.

Necrit's theory's interesting, but there's a lot of difficulties I have with it.

Electro5223 votes

https://giphy.com/gifs/NnGGHE0muVqpO/html5

I wasn't expecting that. Like.......wow.

Well done dude........well done indeed.

GreenLore4 votes

Honestly,most of the points that sharjo mentioned here is actually stuff that was already in mentioned in the lore or in rioter comments.

I think the only insider info in that point was that targon is north east from icathia(and I'm not even sure if he is referring to the new or the old map,as Necrit did use the old map)

Necrit simply likes to jump to conclusions or to make some theories that aren't backed up by the lore.

Sharjo3 votes

I'll state again for emphasis; far more east west than north. It is a bit further north, but if you were ever going from Icathia to Targon, you'd be saying "I'm heading east west", if that makes sense.

C me1 votes

You mention that Mount Targon is to the north east of Icathia but according to new lore wouldn't it be closer to Demacia and therefore somewhere on the west of the north continent? Possibly near Palclyff? It looks mountainous around that area.

Sharjo3 votes

Mount Targon's on the Shuriman continent. Like I said, far more east west than north.

Fasmodey1 votes

http://imgur.com/a/lDdfy

You mean something like this?

stop judging my drawing skillz

Edit: Ah, you can change Shurima with Icathia, though as I know they are super close to each other.

Sharjo1 votes

...

FUCK I mixed up my directions.

Should've said west.

FUCK

Sorry.

Fasmodey1 votes

DRAWING INTENSIFIES

http://imgur.com/a/okdm5

Then something like this?

And don't worry. It happens.

Sharjo1 votes

Yeah something to that degree.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Wait what? How close is Demacia to Targon then? Where's Freljord?

Sharjo2 votes

It's a pretty reasonable distance away. There's a large body of water seperating the two.

The Freljord's to the north as always, in a relatively north direction from Demacia.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Then how the hell did Taric make it to Targon? Who were those barbarians that invaded in Pantheon and Leona's stories? I assumed they were from the Freljord.

This is just fueling my Aspect-Ascendant connection more.

Sharjo1 votes

Probably by boat; he was exiled from Demacia so probably would've had a bit of an easier time finding transport to Shurima and then travelling on land from there since I find it doubtful that there's any ports near Mount Targon.

And those barbarians could be from anywhere; Mount Targon attracts all kinds of people from across the world, as remote and dangerous as it is.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

So why is Taric the shield of Valoran or whatever? Unless that's where he stays now?

Sharjo1 votes

Well if his bio and colour story are anything to go by then Valoran needs protection too. Makes sense to me that The Protector would be willing to send his host back home to protect that land since there's already Leona and Pantheon protecting Mount Targon.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Regarding skin color, Shurimans tend to be of a darker/tanned complexion. Serpent Islanders like TF and Illaoi are darker. I know that Targon is more west, and there could be more forms of climate, but why are Targonians pale?

Sharjo1 votes

I'm gonna say because its resident champions were designed in a time when Mount Targon was basically Mount Olympus on Runeterra, and everyone was Greek. Nowadays half of Mount Targon's resident humans aren't Targon natives so it kinda makes things a bit wonky.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Trying to wrap my mind around this. There are Targon natives like the Rakkor/Solari, and those that moved there from around the world? Would you say that Targon is like Noxus of natives vs. foreigners?

What about people like Lucian? When he first appeared, it seemed like Riot was going for "all skin tones exist here, it's more about culture", but now it seems like they are implying that certain regions are likely to have people of one race than other areas.

Sharjo1 votes

I kinda screwed up there; should've said "half of Mount Targon's resident champions" as opposed to resident humans as I was reffering to Diana and Taric. Targon attracts all kinds from across the world but it also kills all kinds from across the world. Its native are more likely to survive by virtue of having a culture that knows what the Mountain's like.

Korios1 votes

Theory DEBUNKED

GenoXx1 votes

It's called favoritism. That's the boards in a nut shell these days. Only certain users here have the right to have they opinion acknowledged apparently.

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