Strange but relevant question; Has any of the female characters ever been pregnant?

Dominick Destine··12 votes·2,442 views

Because as far as I can tell from both the current lore and the dispensed lore, none of the female characters have undergone the most quintessential female process in humanity; Having a child.

That's not to say it is even viable for much of the cast, for ex: Evelynn is strongly implied to not even be human... Lissandra probably had her ovules frozen (HUEHAEHUEAEHUEHUE) , Orianna is a robot with no womb to begin with... but most of the others seem like viable candidates...and at the risk of appearing to represent something I despise (Feminism).... wouldn't having diversity of female characteristics (I.e. mother female character) be a good thing? in my personal opinion, the following females would be great at representing this core aspect of femininity ; Sona (Perfect woman, perfect mother) , Kayle (Overbearing/hyper authoritarian mother, raises robot-esque soldier son) , Sejuani (Tomboy mother raises tomboy daughter), MissFortune (Irresponsible mother raises hellraiser son (Possible future champ?)). Just throwing out ideas there... wouldn't it be interesting? I am not saying these should be changed, but they are examples of what could be developed as representative of the process.

Obviously I am not doing the feminist thing and decrying the current characters either, hell no... just saying maybe one example of this trait would be good.... or if I am wrong, which female character has undergone the process?

Etc.

Edit: In retrospect, the best candidate for "Perfect mother" is not Sona but Leona . Leona is absolute perfection in terms of "Not too much, not too little, just right"... Leona and her cubs would have been a cute backstory, etc. just rambling a bit.

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Sharjo13 votes

A lot of League's women are actually fairly young in comparison to the male characters, at least from a physical appearance stand point. One we DEFINETLY know has had children is the queen of the Xer'Sai herself, RekSai. I mean she must have led to the birth of thousands of Xer'Sai by now, and that's not even counting how many grandchildren, great grandchildren and the like she's had as a result. Other than Rek'Sai though, I don't think we know of any champions who've been mothers. We have at least two fathers in Azir and Varus though, so lads do about as well as lasses in the having kids department apparently.

EDIT: As AvantelWings has reminded me, Kassadin also had a daughter, bringing the parent number up to four champions. Had being the operative word here. Seems nobody can keep their kids alive. Narrative! Give some champs some family love once in a while will ya?!

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Kassadin also had a daughter

Vistha Kai1 votes

Legends told of an epic story to be told about her.

Scratch that. I bet, they retconned that too.

Baron of Bread1 votes

I could have sworn the only thing in the lore about her was that Malz sacrificed her to the void.

Sharjo1 votes

It was, basically as a line at the very end of the lore that described that event. That was the only time we ever heard about Kassadin having any living family at all.

Vistha Kai1 votes

The best part it was in Journal of Justice, which means, he might've never had a daughter to begin with.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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One we DEFINETLY know has had children is... RekSai.

I specifically did not mention Rek Sai because Rek Sai is not representative of femininity in the slightest. She is a void-creature and has no overlap with female human characteristics.... so yeah that kind of massively misses the point given that pregnancy/childbirth are arguably the most sexually defining characteristics of the human female sex.

Etc.

A lot of League's women are actually fairly young

That's true for the most part, but what about Kayle Soraka Morgana Lulu ?

Well maybe scratch Lulu off that list .... cough

Sharjo2 votes

Well Kayle, Soraka and Morgana come from different worlds so it's hard to say what the culture was like for them and whether they would've even had a relationship with a man (or their species equivalent) to then have a child. I mean Soraka spent a good long while living pretty much on her own in her grove, and anything she did before that is a mystery.

Also your question was "Have any of the female cast been pregnant" and of all of them Rek'Sai's the most likely to have been a mother. Femininity for Xer'Sai probably amounts to being physically powerful to the extreme, especially over males of the same species if we go by real life arthropods, so she's probably the most feminine Voidborn out there given her size, power and reputation.

Dominick Destine3 votes

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Also your question was "Have any of the female cast been pregnant"

Except the very first point I made with regards to that was to outline that non-human females were really not what I was talking about.

Merxamers6 votes

Well sir, if your definition of 'femininity' doesn't include RekSai tenderly nurturing for her innumerable voidspawn, we have nothing more to say to each other.

What a weird topic thread.

GreenLore1 votes

Well we don't know how the Xer'sai population works.

Rek'sai being their queen could simply mean that she is the biggest and strongest of them.

Moonboy655 votes

that... is an interesting topic

Veraska5 votes

Women aren't defined by their ability to give birth.

Dominick Destine5 votes

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Women aren't defined by their ability to give birth.

And I said that where exactly?

Good strawman argument and flagrantly irresponsible misrepresentation of my arguments.

Veraska6 votes

Those are a lot of words you got there I concede

"The most quintessential female process in humanity; having a child"

"This core aspect of femininity"

Your choice of language kinda rubbed me the wrong way

Dominick Destine3 votes

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Those are a lot of words you got there I concede

"The most quintessential female process in humanity; having a child"

"This core aspect of femininity"

Your choice of language kinda rubbed me the wrong way

That's a funny way of saying you were completely wrong in your knee-jerk reaction but I acknowledge your very guarded retraction that you, hilariously/subtly imply was my failing rather than yours.

I'd also like to add that in none of my statements did I say or otherwise convey "Women are only good to pump out children" as you so quickly implied... however, it is a biological reality that the #1, most sexually defining trait of women is the ability to become pregnant/childbirth, that is not debatable. It is literally the most distinguishing biological feature to contrast the male sex and the female sex. If we then add to that, the psychological aftermath of the process (For the woman in this case), we come to realize that it is very significant which is why I became curious about the female human characters in LoL.

Anyway, this is overlong, point being, I acknowledge your retraction.

Baron of Bread1 votes

No need to be a jerk about them apologizing.

Immortal spax3 votes

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Your choice of language kinda rubbed me the wrong way

BIP-BIP-BIP tumblrinas spotted

Be careful with your pronouns, cis male.

Veraska1 votes

Cishet man if you want to get technical

Stephenizgod2 votes

Having a child is probably one of the most fulfilling thing a human being can do, not just females, for many reasons. As for the females part, I imagine it is a very core part of being a woman but just because something is a core part does not mean it is the whole thing. There are other core aspects to being a female, you do not need to fulfill them all to be feminine. That is what my sister said when I read her your comment.

Veraska2 votes

That's a fair and moderate answer. I ain't saying having kids isn't fulfilling or important or whatever, I'm not an anti natalist just the choice of language could've been better to reflect that as when you frame one core with words like quintessential it sounds more like "THE core" but that could be a fault on my interpretation

Dominick Destine2 votes

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That is what my sister said when I read her your comment.

Ask your sister if she hurt herself k.o.ing that strawman... none of what she addressed was remotely close to what I mentioned and/or was talking about. Literally zero.

Malicious Metal4 votes

Sona is going to have Mordekaiser's children of the grave :^)

LadyRenly4 votes

Hasn't Lissandra had kids? She probably killed them if she had any, but I thought I heard that she had them

Kids just don't really make sense though, unless the kid has died or you are older. Getting knocked up puts you out of commission, and then you have to raise it, which lowers your combat prowess. And no responsible parent abandons their kids to go participate in gladiator arenas

People like Katarina will probably eventually get knocked up, after they retire and decide to settle down after an eventful league career

Dominick Destine1 votes

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no responsible parent abandons their kids to go participate in gladiator arenas

That is very much debatable... it's also worth noting that now that "The League" is deemed non-canon, a female character (Like Leona ) defending her people from some non-specific threat , motivated secondarily by her upbringing but primarily by her protective instinct of her family (Husband/Son) would be a perfectly viable reason for Leona to engage in combat.

Not necessarily gladiator arenas (Read: The League does not exist anymore) but rather specific combat threats (Noxus?).

Baron of Bread1 votes

I don't think Lissandra has. Her lore says she had successors (that she murdered) but it doesn't mention children.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER3 votes

Orianna will find a handsome Roboy

Me actually2 votes

Ahri has probably had a few...

Dominick Destine5 votes

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Ahri has probably had a few...

I am not 100% certain, but I am somewhat confident that Ahri cannot become pregnant... she is not human and when she "Steals the essence of a man", I'm pretty sure she consumes it for vitality (whatever that means in this scenario).

I like the implication you're making though, it sounds like a fun way to die.

Vistha Kai1 votes

That is yet to be told.

We do not really have a League version of "Notes on Racial Phylogeny".

Immortal spax2 votes

Funny that you have to defend youself even before you expose your ideas, tumblrinas feminism have such a bad reputation lool

Dominick Destine3 votes

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Funny that you have to defend youself even before you expose your ideas, tumblrinas feminism have such a bad reputation lool

Yes, you are right... and one of the reasons I despise feminism is because of what you say... I also despise Tumblr which is why I very much wanted to distance myself from them while making this thread.

Would that Riot were not leftist/feminist leaning, I would love to express myself freely on what I really think of feminists/tumblrites.... but we must restrict our expression lest authority come down hard on those that wish to engage in "Wrongthink" or "Subversion of established moral dogma".

Immortal spax4 votes

I don't think tumblrinas play LoL, there is no pansexual champ(pronouns: xih/xeh)

Dominick Destine7 votes

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there is no pansexual champ

Pantheon is "Pan" sexual. OHHH. THAT JOKE WORKS ON SO MANY LEVELS (Baking reference/name reference/etc.)

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

Yes, Seena, the wife of Lucian Lucian .

She is a "female character", you didnt said "Champion"

... And as far as i can remember, i thought that Lissandra in fact, had daughters that she supplanted over years in order to keep her throne ... its kinda... confusing.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

But we don't know if she had children or not. I doubt Lucian would be so focused on destroying Thresh if he had a son or daughter to take care of

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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But we don't know if she had children or not. I doubt Lucian would be so focused on destroying Thresh if he had a son or daughter to take care of

It was confirmed by Thresh that Seena was pregnant when he killed her... the OP said "Has any of the female characters ever been pregnant?"... and not if they had childs

“I remember her,” he said. “A vital soul. Not yet barren and cold. Ripe for torment. Hope for a new life. It bloomed in her, you know. Fresh, new, like a spring flower. All too easy to pluck and ruin those with dreams.”

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_and_Fortune Chapter 4

Trylobyte2 votes

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It was confirmed by Thresh that Seena was pregnant when he killed her... the OP said "Has any of the female characters ever been pregnant?"... and not if they had childs

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_and_Fortune Chapter 4

Given Thresh's fondness for speaking in metaphor and generally rattling peoples' cages, it doesn't necessarily mean she was pregnant. It could actually mean a number of things - A 'new life' doesn't refer to a literal new life all the time, you know. It's possible her 'new life' meant getting out of the killing-undead business, settling down, and starting a family.

In terms of the female cast as a whole, yes, many of them are generally too young and too driven to have thought about children yet. They have issues of their own. As far as the older female champions who have conceivably had the time to conceive...

Evelynn murders her lovers (except TF) and is possibly a vampire. Elise murders anyone close to her, then makes out with Vilemaw. Illaoi just hasn't gotten pregnant, though it's implied she's taken that gamble. Kalista was a career military officer, which she'd have a very hard time with if she ever got pregnant. Kayle is in the same boat as Kalista. Leblanc doesn't seem to have much interest in men. Lissandra is an Iceborn. We're not sure if they can even have children without the Watchers' help. Lulu is biologically young even if her actual age is not. Fae time works like that. Morgana is in the same boat as Kayle and Kalista. Nidalee doesn't live around other humans. Poppy is too tied to her quest to consider it. Riven is in the same boat as, well, the other people in that boat. It's a crowded boat. Sejuani hasn't found anyone strong enough to meet her standards. Shyvana hates everybody. Soraka may not even be capable of reproduction. Even if so, she met her first human a few years ago.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Shyvana hates everybody.

JarvanIV

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

How in the world did you go from +5 to -5? What is with people?

Dominick Destine2 votes

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How in the world did you go from +5 to -5? What is with people?

There are many groups of people, but for the purposes of responding to your question let's break it down to what is revelant here... two groups;

  • People that understand what I wrote.
  • People that lack the capacity to understand basic logic ; This group is unable to understand anything I said and must form phantom arguments to take the place of what I actually said. Aside from the first portion I mentioned, this is also a manifested form of confirmation bias that is often found in [Insert group(s) that must not be named].

Case in point; A great deal of comments here respond with something to the extent of "WOMEN ARE NOT DEFINED ONLY BY GIVING BIRTH!!!!" which means what they gathered from my original post was that I was saying "DEM WYMYNS ONLY GUD 4 BABY MAKING" . That is what their mind interpreted (incorrectly, obviously). These people will tend to downvote the original post.

Group #1 on the other hand, actually understood what I was saying and realize that none of my arguments were disparaging towards women, children or any physiological process. This group might, if they are feeling generous, upvote.

Or to summarize; There are a lot of (Censored word) on these forums. It's to be expected that a completely innocuous thread be downvoted. But ultimately it doesn't matter, I am successful by virtue of people having read my thread.

(Before someone thinks "This guy must spend all day typing on forums", I type at approx. 120 WPM, the average person types at a meager 60 WPM meaning almost half the people type even slower than that, it takes me very little time to type all of this out)

Immortal spax1 votes

Tl;dr tumblrinas feminists downvoted this post

Kei1431 votes

who is the father ...

WoonStruck4 votes

{quoted}

who is the father ...

Draven

Dominick Destine2 votes

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who is the father ...

Well that would depend on the female character in question... I am not advocating for any changes to the current characters, but rather maybe one down the line.

That being said; once again having thought about it for awhile Leona having a backstory of having, let's say a non-combatant husband, like a farmer ... along with a son, two people in her life that drive her to excel... drive her to devote herself more than she otherwise would, for her family... would be interesting... especially since Leona was raised in a heavily combat-driven area of Runaterra... maybe her husband and son would be the moral center that helped her advance past the Pantheon-esque "WARRRRR (and baking)"

Or fk it, give her a whole litter of kids and we can use the awesome phrase-ology of "Leona / cubs".

The Poetic Zed1 votes

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Well that would depend on the female character in question... I am not advocating for any changes to the current characters, but rather maybe one down the line.

That being said; once again having thought about it for awhile Leona having a backstory of having, let's say a non-combatant husband, like a farmer ... along with a son, two people in her life that drive her to excel... drive her to devote herself more than she otherwise would, for her family... would be interesting... especially since Leona was raised in a heavily combat-driven area of Runaterra... maybe her husband and son would be the moral center that helped her advance past the Pantheon-esque "WARRRRR (and baking)"

Or fk it, give her a whole litter of kids and we can use the awesome phrase-ology of "Leona / cubs".

I mean i wouldn't think so. She would be with a warrior. Maybe a warrior with a soft side. Say, someone who wants to be a baker? [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Never have the stickers been used so effectively

Khâmul1 votes

I wonder what kind of woman could give birth to Mordekaiser XD

Malicious Metal6 votes

An Iron Maiden.

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