Why is Nasus descripted as Warrior King?

Fasmodey·Nov 18, 2016·1 votes·924 views

Nasus knew the magus was goading him, but his hate blinded him to all else but sundering the chains that kept the unimaginable power of Xerath’s body contained. They faced each other in the center of the city, two Ascended beings out of time; a warrior king and magus of living magic.

Questions:

Setaka was also descripted as Warrior Queen of the Ascended. So, does it mean Nasus and Setaka were two of the most powerful Ascended ever existed?
Both Nasus and Setake were descripted as King and Queen. Did they have any relationship beside being friends? Or are those just titles that does not explain any statue in hierarchy, like Butcher of the Sands, Curator of the Sands etc.
Why is Nasus known with his warrior feature? He was the greatest tactician of Shurima. Why does not this title belong to Renekton but Nasus?

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SharjoNov 18, 20166 votes

Warrior Kings and Queens seemed to have been a part of the military organisation of nations on the Southern Continent, as Icathian Warrior Kings have already been described in Renekton's short story: Darkness Renews. I'd imagine the rank of Warrior King/Queen was one for those at the height of the military, so potentially Nasus took over Setaka's role over the Ascended army (armies?) following her death.

Since the title could've been reserved for the person at the top of the military heirarchy, Renekton wouldn't have gotten such a title since he ranked below Nasus. Nasus was the one who directed him, it's even said in their bios: Nasus planned the wars and Renekton won them. It's the one who coordinates the battles who is the King/Queen in this situation.

FasmodeyNov 18, 20161 votes

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Warrior Kings and Queens seemed to have been a part of the military organisation of nations on the Southern Continent, as Icathian Warrior Kings have already been described in Renekton's short story: Darkness Renews. I'd imagine the rank of Warrior King/Queen was one for those at the height of the military, so potentially Nasus took over Setaka's role over the Ascended army (armies?) following her death.

Since the title could've been reserved for the person at the top of the military heirarchy, Renekton wouldn't have gotten such a title since he ranked below Nasus. Nasus was the one who directed him, it's even said in their bios: Nasus planned the wars and Renekton won them. It's the one who coordinates the battles who is the King/Queen in this situation.

Then how could not Shurima conquer entire Runeterra with power of the Ascended army? I know they got endless victories and never lost against, they even won against the Void in a terrible war but how could not Shurima be in everywhere of Runeterra?

SharjoNov 18, 20162 votes

Presumably the other nations of Runeterra had their own armies, magical weapons and other things to fight them. The Ascended aren't infallible; they can be killed and since just about every other nation from that era is long dead and lost to history (seemingly) we don't have much to go on to determine their strength.

I'm imagining that, since Shurima was part of the Rune War era, that they didn't go after Valoran because the nations there effectively destroyed each other and left the land so scarred that Shurima either didn't think it was worth conquering or didn't want to risk moving in to potentially magically unstable lands. On the Southern Continent though they seemed to have pretty much conquered it at some point, having bested Icathia, Nashramae and other would be adversaries of the time.

FasmodeyNov 18, 20161 votes

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Presumably the other nations of Runeterra had their own armies, magical weapons and other things to fight them. The Ascended aren't infallible; they can be killed and since just about every other nation from that era is long dead and lost to history (seemingly) we don't have much to go on to determine their strength.

I'm imagining that, since Shurima was part of the Rune War era, that they didn't go after Valoran because the nations there effectively destroyed each other and left the land so scarred that Shurima either didn't think it was worth conquering or didn't want to risk moving in to potentially magically unstable lands. On the Southern Continent though they seemed to have pretty much conquered it at some point, having bested Icathia, Nashramae and other would be adversaries of the time.

Yep, I know they're not invincible, not even Xerath, the greatest one of them, but their power is immensely high for mortals. They're both magical and physical death machines. Nasus is said as powerful enough to fight with a mortal army singlehandly. If it is just Nasus and Renekton, if power difference between a basic Ascended and Nasus is that much big, it is understanble. But if it is not, an Ascended Army against Demacia and Noxus combined would just be a carnage.

SharjoNov 18, 20161 votes

The world was much different back then, when mortals armies had much more magic in them, when sorcery was more prevalent, and when nations had access to World Runes. Sure it's not like fighting the Ascended armies of Shurima would be easy, but it's also not like Shurima wouldn't have had real competition back then.

Hell we don't even know if the Ascended ever reached massive numbers. Maybe in the hundreds, but I highly doubt Shurima had armies of tens of thousands of Ascended to fight in every battle.

FasmodeyNov 18, 20161 votes

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The world was much different back then, when mortals armies had much more magic in them, when sorcery was more prevalent, and when nations had access to World Runes. Sure it's not like fighting the Ascended armies of Shurima would be easy, but it's also not like Shurima wouldn't have had real competition back then.

Hell we don't even know if the Ascended ever reached massive numbers. Maybe in the hundreds, but I highly doubt Shurima had armies of tens of thousands of Ascended to fight in every battle.

But they won against a massive Void invasion. So they're quitely powerful or their numbers are higher than just hundreds. I do not know how strong an ascended is against a voidborn though.

I believe Void Invasion that hit Icathia was a threat for Shurima (for Runeterra too), so they had to stop them and fought with their all power. They won but also lost a lot, and so it is the reason why there is no much Ascended left.

It is my theory, what is the chance of being correct?

SharjoNov 18, 20161 votes

I dunno the chances, but I'd say it's a good theory considering it's entirely logical. Why're there so few Ascended? Most of them died a long time ago in a massive war against a very dangerous enemy.

It begs the question as to why more folks didn't Ascend following this and bolster the numbers so to speak, but that can be down to how Shuriman culture evolved and how they came to consider Ascension. If I remember rightly Dinopawz talked about how it used to be far more common for folks to Ascend in Shurima's earlier days compared to it's later days.

And also to kinda just hit this point, I'm not trying to say that the Ascended are weak enough to be bested so easily, far from it, what I'm imagining is that Runeterra, in what could be considered a golden age for the Ascended, had other forces in Runeterra that could actually compete with them. Armies of magically empowered knights, giant golems, enchanted beasts, magic tanks, the possibilities are there.

FasmodeyNov 18, 20161 votes

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I dunno the chances, but I'd say it's a good theory considering it's entirely logical. Why're there so few Ascended? Most of them died a long time ago in a massive war against a very dangerous enemy.

It begs the question as to why more folks didn't Ascend following this and bolster the numbers so to speak, but that can be down to how Shuriman culture evolved and how they came to consider Ascension. If I remember rightly Dinopawz talked about how it used to be far more common for folks to Ascend in Shurima's earlier days compared to it's later days.

And also to kinda just hit this point, I'm not trying to say that the Ascended are weak enough to be bested so easily, far from it, what I'm imagining is that Runeterra, in what could be considered a golden age for the Ascended, had other forces in Runeterra that could actually compete with them. Armies of magically empowered knights, giant golems, enchanted beasts, magic tanks, the possibilities are there.

So like how it is in LotR universe, in ancient times, people were greater and stronger. Magic was more common and potent which made a competitive challenge between regions, rather than absolute domination.

Pretty likely and logical.

About less use of the Ascension Ritual, can't think anything. I wonder how Riot will explain it.

Also, what if Rek'Sai and her Xer'Sai entered to Runeterra with this terrible invansion? After defeat of Void they escaped for the reason of their instincts, instinct for survive, since they're not soldiers but low intelligent, animal like creatures.

SharjoNov 18, 20161 votes

I can imagine that Rek'Sai was among a number of Voidborn sort of "left behind" during the conflict. Kinda like when you're trying to kill a cancer but it doesn't go away completely, some Void influence remained, and some Voidborn survived. Shurima might've assigned folks to scour the Sai and Icathia for any signs of Void, but even beasts can adapt and would devise ways of either concealing themselves or being greatly suited to combating their natural enemies. Not to mention the Sai's big, and so scouring everywhere, looking under every stone for a trace of Void pressence just wouldn't have been feasible.

Then after Shurima's fall the Sai's void infestation had no one to deal with it, so it just got worse for lack of maitenance.

So yeah, I can dig your theory there.

FasmodeyNov 18, 20161 votes

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I can imagine that Rek'Sai was among a number of Voidborn sort of "left behind" during the conflict. Kinda like when you're trying to kill a cancer but it doesn't go away completely, some Void influence remained, and some Voidborn survived. Shurima might've assigned folks to scour the Sai and Icathia for any signs of Void, but even beasts can adapt and would devise ways of either concealing themselves or being greatly suited to combating their natural enemies. Not to mention the Sai's big, and so scouring everywhere, looking under every stone for a trace of Void pressence just wouldn't have been feasible.

Then after Shurima's fall the Sai's void infestation had no one to deal with it, so it just got worse for lack of maitenance.

So yeah, I can dig your theory there.

Hire us rito pls thx

Joke aside, those theories are pretty damn logical, so logical it feels like they're actually offical lol.

I want to see Ascended and Voidborns in a conflict so much now. High potential.

Thank you for answers.

SharjoNov 18, 20161 votes

Thanks for the discussion!

DragonSheaNov 19, 20161 votes

I think it's because Nasus is both brains and brawn, he does favor strategy obviously but he seems to be a skilled warrior by combining his moderate combat skills with his cunning.