Now that the lore doesn't matter anymore; Was Jax intended to be General DuCouteau?

Dominick Destine·Nov 12, 2016·32 votes·2,012 views

The lore originally had mentions of Katarina's father being a great warrior of immense prowess who mysteriously disappeared.... suddenly a fighter named 'Jax' appeared and won hundreds of consecutive matches in the IoW through sheer skill alone but his true identity was unknown however, it was often speculated that General DuCouteau was Jax . This was somewhat implied in Kat/Talon and even slightly in Swain's lore.

The lore was ditched so now that it doesn't matter, I would like to know; Was Jax actually Katarina's father in the old lore? you can tell us now.

24 Comments

MagicFlyingLlamaNov 12, 201621 votes

Explain how her gather turned into an eggplant with 4 fingers on each hand and purple skin, and as far as we can tell, a face that glows.

Odd bit of trivia, Jax is most likely inspired by the character Garet Jax from The Wishsong of Shannara

SociopathFriendNov 12, 20162 votes

Ah Garet Jax, the man who could beat anything- even something that just grows stronger from pain.

Dominick DestineNov 12, 20167 votes

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Explain how her gather turned into an eggplant with 4 fingers on each hand

Gloves.

and purple skin, and as far as we can tell, a face that glows.

Mask.

TrolosaurusNov 12, 20168 votes

I thought it was implied he was Reginald Ashram or something

The SoulforgedNov 12, 20167 votes

I think there was a big theory he was a troll hero that helped defeat the watchers along with the iceborn.

Hextech OwINov 13, 20162 votes

I always tought he was a troll like Trundle tbh, maybe even the troll king trundle beat.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 12, 20161 votes

Marcus and Jax actually did meet and had a bar fight... just saying... So unless Jax is Marcus from the future, because he actually did defeat Marcus, I don't see how Jax could be Marcus in any other possibility... And General Marcus Du Couteau is actually the best SWORDSMAN in Runeterra, not best WARRIOR, Jax pretty much is the grandmaster of all combat styles, that's why he won against Marcus... Same as Katarina is the best blade dancer and Talon best hidden blade master... still considered blademasters, but in different style of combat...

That's why there was an old Katarina quote, where she says "Me, my father and talon, the greatest swordmasters. Together, who would stop us?", and you cant have 3 people been the best in the same combat style, they are just greatest in their own style which is still falling in swordmastery. :p Complicated stuff! You need to have a blades fetish to understand!

Dominick DestineNov 12, 20161 votes

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Marcus and Jax actually did meet and had a bar fight

I don't remember because it was a long time ago, but was there actual witnesses to this ? do remember that Jax wears a mask...

zrWQMdGHtYNov 12, 20161 votes

What do you think? A bar fight? A bar? People? Eating and drinking? Jax visited the pub same time as Marcus, they had a stupid argument... random people count as witnesses?

ModCaptainMårvelousNov 12, 20161 votes

Correction: Old Lore doesn't matter anymore.

As for your theory, highly unlikely. DuCouteau was a good warrior but Jax was literally godlike and could not lose unless he handicapped himself. It also doesn't explain the three fingers and oddly shaped body, even if you want to argue it was just Riot's models at the time.

Dominick DestineNov 12, 20161 votes

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Correction: Old Lore doesn't matter anymore.

Fair enough, but I am talking about the old lore.

VesemirNov 12, 20161 votes

i think jax is related with the darkin race

Dominick DestineNov 12, 20161 votes

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i think jax is related with the darkin race

Could be a disguise.

Or Kat could be half Darkin, who knows... the other daughter is a monster.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TRNov 12, 20163 votes

The other daughter is a monster because she got cursed though, or was that still in the old lore?

Dominick DestineNov 12, 20161 votes

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The other daughter is a monster because she got cursed though, or was that still in the old lore?

Cassiopeia was cursed by some diplomat she slept with/betrayed afterwards, yes.

My point was; It would be a much stronger case if neither daughter had any Darkin-esque features but we cannot tell what Cassiopeia looked like prior to when she became a Lamia.

Nurgle ProphetNov 12, 20161 votes

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Cassiopeia was cursed by some diplomat she slept with/betrayed afterwards, yes.

My point was; It would be a much stronger case if neither daughter had any Darkin-esque features but we cannot tell what Cassiopeia looked like prior to when she became a Lamia.

Considering she was a diplomat for a city state in a world where racism and xenophobia was a big issue and was tasked with seducing people to learn their secrets, I'd go ahead and bet "pretty damned human".

Dominick DestineNov 12, 20161 votes

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I'd go ahead and bet "pretty damned human".

Do we have any source on that? I'm sure she looked human but my question is, did she have any features out of the ordinary?

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TRNov 12, 20162 votes

She was particularly beautiful I believe, if that helps.

Nurgle ProphetNov 12, 20161 votes

Jax was mostly implied to be a Summoner named Reginald Ashram, one of the Head Councilor of the old League, who personally vouched for Jax then went missing. As far as I know, Du Couteau's disappearance is much later than Jax's admission to the League.

LordGeovanniNov 12, 20161 votes

Cosidering Jax is my favorite champion and General DuCouteau is my 4th favrotie league of legends character after Jax Trundle and Volibear ive never even though of that or heard it before my mind is blown. i like this theory except that Jax is independent and The General was vastly loyal to Noxus.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 12, 20161 votes

That is an incredibly large stretch.

It's fascinating.

Also glad to see you're moving to other non-draconian topics.

Dominick DestineNov 12, 20161 votes

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That is an incredibly large stretch.

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TyrekGoldenspearNov 13, 20161 votes

Do you have that face in reserve for things Evelynn related too?

ArnoldSchwarzensNov 12, 20161 votes

I think the theory is bullshit.

It is heavily implied in the lore that Swain, LB and the Black Rose killed general DuCouteau alongside Reginald Ashram, the former leader of Noxus, to make it able for them to seize power. Right now Swain is the highest general and the leader of Noxus because of that.

There's a lot you can read up on. There's the Journals of Justice, the League Judgements of Swain and LB and the Sion rework teaser. I'm too lazy to include links but you can easily find it if you search for it on the Internet.