Bandle City — Let's talk before Narrative retcons everything

CupcakeTrap··25 votes·10,005 views

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I have no idea if Bandle City is next in line for the chopping block, or if that's still a ways away. But I have a bad feeling it's coming. Let's get talking now, and see if the Narrative team takes the opportunity to engage with us in a serious way, in the Riot way.

First, I'll summarize Bandle City's current lore as best as I can. Then, I'll highlight some topics for discussion. Finally, we'll share and discuss among ourselves—cupcakes and juice boxes will be provided for all good yordles—and see if maybe Narrative will come participate, or if they're determined to once again slap all this to the side and smack their shrink-wrapped pre-packaged Bandle City lore down on the table without community input.

FOR THE MOTHERSHIP!

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The Basics

Yordles are cute, fuzzy little creatures. (Females are less fuzzy and more smurfy.) They have an exceptionally tight-knit society, and are generally speaking pretty weird. They live mostly in Bandle City. Although one can certainly mix in more serious elements, yordles are pretty much there for comic relief and cuteness: you look to Noxus and Demacia for the gritty hardcore stories, and to Bandle City for a fun break. That said, there is some intriguing depth to them, mostly as concerns the Mothership and their peculiar psychology.

Here are the key points.

  • Cute. Yordles are cute. They are adorable little fuzzballs. This doesn't mean all Bandle City lore must be super-cutesy, but this is their main role.
  • Community. Yordles have an extremely strong sense of community. In isolation, yordles will go nuts. This can take various forms: too many solo patrols turned Teemo into a giggling sociopath, while solitary confinement in a Noxian prison turned Veigar into a cackling psycho. (Can I just pause to point out how hilariously awesome this story is? Veigar was deprived of snuggles until he went mad and became a dark mage. #onlyinleague) More generally, yordles are much more communal and social than humans. I imagine most of their decisions are made by consensus rather than politics. They probably don't have a lot of crime, because they're just not wired that way.
  • Curious. Yordles like to explore and discover. They're a good choice for a storyline that's less gritty/violent. But I imagine they do have a mischevious side that can get them in trouble.
  • The Mothership. Yordles worship (for lack of a better word) the Mothership, a strange artifact in the center of Bandle City. They have a pervasive cultural concept of "getting it ready", but if asked generally can't explain quite what that means: they just know, on some instinctive level, that it's important and it's supposed to do something. I enjoy the quirkiness this adds to their otherwise somewhat blandly "cute" lore, and the opportunity it provides for some mystery.
  • Magic/Tech. Yordles appear fairly skilled in both magic and technology. Most of their brightest minds have gone to the Academy in Piltover. (Some yordles, like Rumble, aren't happy about that.)
  • Trade. I think it's pretty well implied that yordles are quite happily and successfully mercantile. They love to travel and explore, even if at the end of the day they always want to come back home. (Cue that tearjerker Sesame Street song about not wanting to live on the moon.)
  • Foreign relations. Yordles have some friendly rivalry with Piltover, but are generally on good terms. (Gosh, wouldn't it be nice if there were some kind of League of Legends where Piltover and Bandle City could compete in a fierce but non-lethal way?)

I'm a big fan of Bandle City and yordles. I think the most original element of League of Legends is the League itself, a sort of fantasy Babylon 5, but the runner-up would probably be Bandle City. I especially enjoy the fact that, although they're very cutesy and fun, they also have some depth: it's interesting to imagine an insular society built around extremely strong kinship and benevolence. It's a cuter take on the "hive mind" concept: they're not scary, they're still individuals, but they're also just really snuggly and communal.

Next, I'd like to raise some topics for discussion. I shall attempt to refrain from taking a particular side in the OP, and save that for the comments.

Topic: Appearance

This is more of an art topic, but what should yordles look like? Should they be fuzzy? Should males be fuzzy while females are not (though perhaps with some cat ears or something)? Should we bring back the yordle/megling distinction?

Topic: Champions

Let's run through some Champions whose lore Riot might be planning to change. This is mostly guesswork on my part.

Teemo Teemo is such an iconic Champion that he surely warrants first mention. His lore is currently pretty standard: a loyal Bandle City scout and local hero. The main twist is the darkly comedic note that he's spent too much time alone, and as cute and fuzzy as he is on the outside, he's become a remorseless sociopath. (I went for the obvious American Psycho joke here.) This is mostly just a surprise twist, a sort of easter egg (so to speak) for people who read the background. But I'd argue that it does also give him a little depth, and illustrate the fact that yordles can be kind of scary. Further, by showing what can happen to a yordle who's isolated for too long, his lore helps demonstrate yordles' deep need for community.

Veigar I am evil! STOP LAUGHING! I'm a Veigar main, so it's hard for me to be neutral here. But Veigar's current lore provides another example of a yordle "gone bad". What's entertaining about the Teemo/Veigar contrast, IMO, is that Teemo is outwardly heroic and cutesy, while Veigar is a maniacal villain, but inside Teemo is a remorseless killer and Veigar still yearns for affection and friendship. Not sure what kind of rework I'd expect for Veigar, but I'm biased here.

Poppy I have a hunch that they'll try to cut out her "ambassador" theme. Increasingly, Riot seems to want to isolate the various states (or at least reduce them to pairs, like Demacia-Noxus). Maybe they'll make her the ambassador to Piltover.

Amumu I have a strong hunch that they'll make him no longer a yordle. Seems a bit of a shame. Thoughts?

Tristana I imagine they might try to spice her lore up a bit. She's currently pretty "standard", arguably a better "poster-yordle" than Teemo.

Rumble Are they going to keep his "yordle supremacy" angle? I kind of hope they do. Obviously, you want to be careful not to end up in Unfortunate Implications Land, but it can easily be recast less as xenophobic hatred and more as simply yordles being inherently insular, combined with some factional rivalry with Piltover. Rumble's story helps raise the question of how yordles should interact with the outside world.

Topic: The Mothership

I think there's a lot of room to play around with this. However, and again I'm trying to be neutral in the OP, I have a strong suspicion that Riot will retcon the Mothership out of existence. It's too "weird", too "quirky", and they have expressed dismay for "from outer space" origin stories. On the other hand, one might say, i.e. I might say, i.e. I do say, that it meshes nicely with the weirdness and insularity of yordles, and there's no need to ever reveal the ultimate truth. It can simply be a mystery that Champions and Summoners (glare) can investigate.

Topic: Stories

What kinds of stories would be fun to see for Bandle City? Here are a few ideas.

  • Rivalry with Piltover. Maybe show Bandle City and Piltover each trying to one-up each other in some kind of scientific contest. Zaun could also enter the mix. (And now it's starting to sound like Hextech Revolution.)
  • The Atlanteans. It's hinted that yordles might be distant kin of the Atlanteans. This could be explored, as a pathway to the Atlanteans/Marai subplot with the moonstone and such. Maybe they find that the Atlanteans are hiding somewhere else. Maybe the Marai and Atlanteans flee to Bandle City (perhaps just off the coast, where the Mothership's aura still keeps the monsters away) for sanctuary. I feel that yordles are well-suited to exploration and mystery plots.
  • Refuel the Mothership. This happened in Hextech Revolution, and I was pretty entertained. The yordles might eventually refuel/repair their Mothership and fly to the moon. What a glorious day for yordlekind that would be!
  • War/crisis. While I think Bandle City is better as a source of lighter plots, you certainly could have a disaster or invasion of some kind. For example, in Factions, sneaky little yordles accidentally freed a Shuriman lich queen (driven mad by the Void) from her tomb, triggering an undead invasion. (This was actually just a combination of Summoners from Bandle City voting to take a risk on an illegal expedition into a tomb the Council had sealed off, plus a really bad die roll for result.) It might be fun showing yordles banding together against a common threat.

Story Examples

Here's a selection of Factions lore dealing with Bandle City, as an example of possible Bandle City stories. It's mostly from the previous arc, as that was the first one to really involve Bandle City as a playable faction. (They were playable in Discord, but just didn't get up to much.)

And here's some artwork from Summoner 333lom.

http://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/summoners-herald-i-1-front-page.png

http://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/void-runes.png

http://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/against-the-apocalypse-1.jpg

https://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/hamsters-in-space.png

You can find more in the Factions art gallery.

Other topics?

Any other ideas for major topics? Post below.

Dance, my yordle friends!

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54 Comments

brusque10 votes

I think this is a great post--it's a great way to get discussion started. I voted for "some small changes." Personally, I feel like Bandle City, although it can be comical at times, is full of interesting characters who take life very seriously. This idea that Yordles have a negative reaction to isolation is so fascinating--especially with the introduction of Gnar, who is a champion sculpted from the idea that there is something hidden beneath a Yordle's fur/lack of fur...--and that it goes way, way back into time.

While I want to see comic relief in the new story that is being told, I also want to see this darker side of Yordles explored in more depth. I also hope that they keep Poppy as an ambassador of Bandles because she is a gateway into exploration of their city and culture without necessarily having to travel there. This way, she can be involved in the action of other civilizations, and we can still learn things about Bandle. I also think the ambassadorial aspect of her character gives Yordles respect on the global political stage.

Regarding appearance, I really like the female/male dichotomy of furry Yordles versus "smoother" ones. It is interesting. It allows for a lot of interesting interactions that have to deal with sexism and racism among the civilizations in Valoran.

I hope they keep the Mothership. It seems like the mysterious nexus of all of Yordle society, or is it?

CupcakeTrap2 votes

Regarding appearance, I really like the female/male dichotomy of furry Yordles versus "smoother" ones. It is interesting. It allows for a lot of interesting interactions that have to deal with sexism and racism among the civilizations in Valoran.

That might get a little awkward, but "racism" at least may be a topic that could be judiciously incorporated. I'd rather go a bit more general and just have storylines relating to a clash of cultures and notions of "otherness", e.g., yordles trying to decide how to relate to the outside world.

I suppose you could have some sort of factional conflict force yordles living abroad to decide if their strongest loyalty is to (e.g.) Ionia or to yordledom.

I just fear that this could very quickly turn into this.

brusque2 votes

LOL. That made my brain hurt trying to read (in the best way possible). I get your point. The only reason I brought up these things is because I remember there being some anti-Yordle sentiment among Noxians that was kind of a big deal in the Journals of Justice.

The Quiche5 votes

I don't know how much I would change, but I would make elements like the Mothership much more prevalent. If anyone is like me, they've never heard of the Mothership before now (or are too hipster to admit it). I think that they could make a workable story out of it, but the Yordles currently serve as comic relief with no meaningful ties to an overarching story (do any Yordles besides Rumble even mention Bandle City?). I don't know that they need to be tied to the Mothership, but they do need to be given some sort of visible home.

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

Pretty much every Yordle's lore mentions Bandle City in some way. They just don't mention it in-game, which is honestly more that older VOs suck rather than Bandle City not being important to their identity. I would say to Teemo, Rumble, Tristana it is essential. Only Amumu and I think Gnar could plausibly have zero connections, and even then they are ancestors (assuming Amumu remains a Yordle) to the inhabitants of Bandle today.

Meanwhile we have Veigar who has ties with Noxus (went crazy in their prison), Poppy who serves as ambassador to Demacia (showing Bandle has somewhat friendly ties), the numerous Yordles studying in Piltover (Heim and Ziggs), Kennen who's part of Ionia's Kinkou, and--again, assuming Amumu is still a Yordle--an ancient Yordle in Shurima. Bandle City has plenty of connections around the world, I think part of the problem is they aren't well-executed.

Squeaky Dreemurr5 votes

The Mothership is an awesome - and slightly hilarious - concept. Riot keep it!

Diahane4 votes

My comment this time may not be constructive at all, but from Gnar's design and story I get the vibe that the Mothership will be the first thing to be retconned out of the way. Am I the only one with this feeling? Don't you think the reference to a prehistoric yordle life on Runeterra doesn't fit well with the presence of the Mothership and what it suggested about Yordles?

CupcakeTrap4 votes

My comment this time may not be constructive at all, but from Gnar's design and story I get the vibe that the Mothership will be the first thing to be retconned out of the way. Am I the only one with this feeling? Don't you think the reference to a prehistoric yordle life on Runeterra doesn't fit well with the presence of the Mothership and what it suggested about Yordles?

Ancient fuzzy astronauts. :3

I think Gnar would provide in-universe evidence against the "arrival on the Mothership" theory, but I don't think it's clear. I think it should stay mysterious for some time.

Possibilities:

  • Yordles evolved separately. However, when they came upon the Mothership long ago, it began to affect them.
  • The Mothership brought the Yordles to Runeterra in ancient times.
  • Yordles evolved in the Freljord, the Mothership flew over the Freljord and somehow picked up their "pattern", the Mothership landed and created a new batch of yordles in modern-day Bandle City.
Diahane6 votes

My comment this time may not be constructive at all, but from Gnar's design and story I get the vibe that the Mothership will be the first thing to be retconned out of the way. Am I the only one with this feeling? Don't you think the reference to a prehistoric yordle life on Runeterra doesn't fit well with the presence of the Mothership and what it suggested about Yordles?

Ancient fuzzy astronauts. :3

I think Gnar would provide in-universe evidence against the "arrival on the Mothership" theory, but I don't think it's clear. I think it should stay mysterious for some time.

Possibilities:

  • Yordles evolved separately. However, when they came upon the Mothership long ago, it began to affect them.
  • The Mothership brought the Yordles to Runeterra in ancient times.
  • Yordles evolved in the Freljord, the Mothership flew over the Freljord and somehow picked up their "pattern", the Mothership landed and created a new batch of yordles in modern-day Bandle City.

Well, the "2001: a space Odyssey"-like scenario may be viable indeed from a narrative point of view. Like the IoW was. Considering how they retconned everything they touched which related to other dimensions and the likes, I don't think they will ever let the Mothership space thingy be.

I bet on a retcon, the space theme is an eye-sore in their new-found standard fantasy setting.

It's gonna remain mysterious for a long time though. Technically, the IoW played no role in Veigar trying to steal the Mothership, so the rule of thumb of "just strip the IoW off what you knew" shouldn't apply here and the Mothership should still be canon. But it's most likely they just forgot or didn't want to mention it.

Sneak Dog4 votes

Always loved Veigars lore. He went mad from isolation, supposedly 'evil' while all he wants is to be able to threaten everyone to do what he says so he can stop all wars. It gets better when you realise he is a ridiculously powerful black mage that doesn't even get taken seriously in-universe. Even after going mad, his ideals are hopelessly noble.

Then you have Teemo, whom lore states he is a cold-blooded killer when in combat, but his in-game VO represents only his heart-warming social side. Always thought this was a bit of a lost opportunity. Not that I'd want it changed now, his character is a bit too solidified for that.

CupcakeTrap5 votes

That's gotta sting.

I think Teemo's in-game appearance does sort of suggest the inner crazy. He's so endlessly chipper that you start thinking something weird is going on, especially since he's all perky as he goes around killing people (admittedly in a "sport" environment).

AmbushIntheDark4 votes

You forgot Lulu! Shes a great example of what happens if yordles are isolated from each other. She has the cute whimsical appearance but shes actually batshit loopy from centuries of playing in a timeless garden.

CupcakeTrap10 votes

You forgot Lulu! Shes a great example of what happens if yordles are isolated from each other. She has the cute whimsical appearance but shes actually batshit loopy from centuries of playing in a timeless garden.

Veigar What do you mean, Lulu's a great example? She's not great at anything! Nobody cares about L-Lulu! B-baka!

Diahane4 votes

You forgot Lulu! Shes a great example of what happens if yordles are isolated from each other. She has the cute whimsical appearance but shes actually batshit loopy from centuries of playing in a timeless garden.

Veigar What do you mean, Lulu? Nobody cares about L-Lulu! Forget her! B-baka!

This made my day. I may rest satisfied now.

Junkο2 votes

I remember a similar comment you made in Factions Champ Pool haha

Soleka1 votes

ppsssttt - Centuries passed in normal time, In the fae realm only a short period of time passed. Lulu didn't have time to go crazy from isolation. However the Fae's influence on her is another story! ;)

Legostrike4 votes

At first glance Bandle City is bland and just...there. Once you take Faction's take on it Bandle City is amazing. So I feel like it needs more surface depth.

CuddleBunni4 votes

I know there was a sketch one of the reds did of a possible Poppy concept post "Grand Yordle Unification" where she had some more feline elements. I can't find it right now though. There are three other fan arts I found that are particularly good:

http://knockwurst.deviantart.com/art/Poppy-League-of-Legends-KNKL-405699226

http://knockwurst.deviantart.com/art/Tristana-League-of-Legends-KNKL-405699825

http://dxthpu4318olx.cloudfront.net/assets/images/images/000/000/560/large/fzd_riotgames_LoL_designs_term2_28.jpg

Apparently it is no longer coming out this year as originally planned... Makes me sad as a Yordle main :(

Talon Silverwing4 votes

I think (hope) that sometime next year Riot will do a yordle art "unification" to make them look like they are actually the same species. The biggest problems with the yordles right now is that they lack any kind of cohesion in terms of art direction.

Corki looks like a gnome, Rumble Teemo Kennen Ziggs Heimerdinger Gnar are fuzzy rodents, Veigar is similar to a black cat? He could also be gnomish. not so sure on this one, Poppy Tristana are blue smurfs with Lulu being a purple smurf with fuzzy ears, and with Amumu you can't even tell that he's a yordle. they could make him a human boy and nothing would change about him.

as for what Riot will change to make them look more cohesive, judging by the last 3 yordle releases Ziggs Heimerdinger (art rework) and Gnar, I think that they have settled on furry rodents for the males. so expect Corki and possibly Veigar to be changed to fit more in line with that. (I'm not even sure it matters in Veigar 's case since his face is shrouded by darkness)

As for Amumu well, Riot has hinted at the fact that they want to change him into a human boy so I'm not sure what they will do with him. It could go either way.

Now this leaves the matter of female yordles..... I could see them going one of 2 routes, they could go the Lulu route of them having skin with fuzzy ears, or they could do what they did with the blue shopkeeper in the upcoming summoners rift VU and just give them full blown fur. It will be really interesting either way they go with the female yordles.

Talon Silverwing1 votes

Yeah the black cat thing seems to be really prevalent in fan art. I always find it interesting how many of them don't depict him with a tail though. Does that mean he has a stub tail? Did he lose it in an accident/black magic ritual? Or is he just hiding his tail somehow?

CupcakeTrap3 votes

Here's a selection of Factions lore dealing with Bandle City, as an example of possible Bandle City stories. It's mostly from the previous arc, as that was the first one to really involve Bandle City as a playable faction. (They were playable in Discord, but just didn't get up to much.)

And here's some artwork from Summoner 333lom.

http://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/summoners-herald-i-1-front-page.png

http://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/void-runes.png

http://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/against-the-apocalypse-1.jpg

https://leaguefactions.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/hamsters-in-space.png

You can find more in the Factions art gallery.

Sneak Dog3 votes

Great, your propaganda made me imagine what would happen if Viktor would upgrade a yordle. It'd be glorious. Imagine Viktor showing up to the league with a yordle partner.

CupcakeTrap2 votes

Great, your propaganda made me imagine what would happen if Viktor would upgrade a yordle. It'd be glorious. Imagine Viktor showing up to the league with a yordle partner.

Which particular piece of propaganda? You mean the Herald issue? Yes.

Although those treacherous yordles betrayed Zaun in the Battle of Shurima. BETRAYORDLES!

(Seriously: show up in Factions chat and ask someone who fought for Zaun last arc about yordles. You may want to make sure the profanity filter is on.)

Remlap12233 votes

Teemo How about this. We delete completely retcon Teemo's existence.

Just kidding, I love Teemo's astronaut skin, and Teemo definitely has some good lore. Arguably, Teemo's lore is the most accurate in the game, since everyone who encounters him as the remorseless killer wants him permabanned. I feel like Teemo's lore is in an ok spot.

Tristana Ok this champion ATM I'd actually be happy if they deleted this overpowered stupid son of a ---

I'm sorry, got a little carried away. Tristana I feel like her love triangle with Rumble and Teemo should be highlighted more, since no other champion (off the top of my head) has something like this going on. As it stands right now, I agree that Tristy could use her lore polished, as she's kinda a stereotypical yordle ATM (despite being Megling, a different race before Meglings were retconned to be female Yordles.)

Corki I'm surprised nobody has talked about Corki yet. I feel like he's just portrayed as second fiddle to the Donger. He also suffers from Generic Yordle Syndrome to me.

Veigar Veigar's lore is pretty solid, but I'd love a relationship between him and Lulu to be established.

Lulu Now that this adorable little ball of adorableness is in the game Gnar I feel like a relationship needs to be established with Lulu as well.

Rumble Rumble's got an awesome lore. He really fleshes out this idea of being a strong independent Yordle that don't need no human.

Amumu Riot why?

But I think the thing that's REALLY missing from Bandle City, and what would make both Bandle City and Bilgewater much more interesting is their antagonistic relationship. I'd like to see a renegade Yordle go all Gangplank on some Bilgewater natives cuz Gangplank decided to go Gangplank on the wrong Yordle at the wrong time. Now a Bilgewater vs. Bandle City conflict? THAT I could get behind.

CupcakeTrap2 votes

I think Bandle City's lore is essentially in a good place, and needs addition more than retconning. I voted "some small changes" in the poll. Mostly, I think Narrative's focus should be on creating new stories to build upon Bandle City's lore, and should avoid retconning significant elements. I definitely think Amumu should stay a yordle, for instance. I would also be very much against retconning the Mothership: Bandle City is one place where quirkiness should be welcome.

Rew7117 votes

Yeah, Amumu should stay a Yordle. Think how weird it would be to see a... midget? or... (whatever) mummy in LoL. Yeah, they're just possibly don't want to put ears on Amumu because it'd be too adorable or something.

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

I would argue it would make sense for Amumu to not have ears, depending on the embalming process. Ears are certainly not things that preserve well.

Rew7112 votes

But they are trying to have all male yordles have ears like that. Heimerdinger would be different, but his hair is so amazing, it could possibly be covering them up for now. plus, think how adorable it would be to see amumu with ears.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/275/e/1/amumu_ears_by_rew711-d81c199.jpg

AbiwonKenabi4 votes

Speaking on Amumu specifically: I feel Amumu remaining a Yordle would help Bandle City feel less isolated, more a part of the world and more ancient. Gnar is clearly a "stone age" version of a Yordle, and it would make sense to continue to find Yordles through-out history...say involved in the ancient empire of Shurima? That's a lot more interesting than "he was a leetle Shurima boy mummy." If the race is as old as implied by the existence of Gnar, then we should be seeing them more involved in history in some way.

I, too, am against retconning the Mothership. Its a unique element that only serves to exacerbate the strangeness of Yordle kind. Elaborating on it while keeping it a mystery might be required, but good things could come of this. Perhaps we see some Yordle research on it, showing they are just as baffled as the reader's as to its existence, but the first-hand account would help us understand how they are drawn to it and unified by it.

Talon Silverwing3 votes

Yeah I really don't understand what Riot has to gain by making Amumu human. I mean you won't be able to tell under the bandages anyways so why change him?

Serpents Embrace2 votes

It's technically already ret-conned. The Shurima event (gag) is the only thing officially canon.

SecretLore3 votes

officially everything that isn't too much tied to the league is currently canon.

If the events of a lore can function without the part with the league,then it is still canon.

The recent Sion-promo proved that for example Kalamanda is still canon.

Serpents Embrace2 votes

I'll correct that for you: "canon". Because it's been said that it's "canon" until they get around to it. Not if they get around to it. Kalamanda is still a place and an event but not necessarily the place and event we experienced, we're just assuming that because they probably won't put the effort in to it until...2017-ish.

Cookiehime3 votes

officially everything that isn't too much tied to the league is currently canon.

If the events of a lore can function without the part with the league,then it is still canon.

The recent Sion-promo proved that for example Kalamanda is still canon.

sigh Is there really, really no way to save the IoW and Summoners?

All the ideas I presented, I wasted my time on, were to save Void lore. Is Malzahar no longer gonna corrupt Summoners to help him open portals to the Void to allow the Voidborn to come to Runeterra? Will he pin all his hopes in accomplishing his mission solely on Kassadin? If anything, I always thought his MO was creating situations where anything you did would have one inevitable outcome, aka "You cannot challenge fate's will." He was a frigging Chessmaster and played the Xanatos gambit, perhaps even the Xanatos speed chess (though most credit should go to the entity guiding him). Removing the Institute would wipe out a pretty good chunk of his accomplishments like having the Institute and Summoners play into his hands. Removing Summoners would also delete a rather big (though obscure) portion of Runeterra's history which dates back to when Icathia was destroyed and, also, how it was destroyed. What of those Summoners who joined forces to close the Rift that was opened in Icathia a long, long time ago? The portal did not just up and opened like that. It was the doing of certain Summoners... else, how come the Void never had a means to come back until they could use Malzahar as a pawn to gather Summoners who would summon creatures of the Void?

Please, rethink this... I'd like Void lore to continue without a retcon. It can... there's no need to retcon the IoW for that story to continue. Kick Malz out of the Institute if you have to... have the Voidborn escape if you want (they actually can, it's been proven in Cho's lore and even Kog broke out of the Institute in the JoJ)... but don't replace Void lore with something else...

....Please.....

Diahane2 votes

officially everything that isn't too much tied to the league is currently canon.

If the events of a lore can function without the part with the league,then it is still canon.

The recent Sion-promo proved that for example Kalamanda is still canon.

Yeah, totally still canon, but full of plot holes. The IoW was heavily involved in all of that, how are things supposed to have been there without it? Not a single pointer on it or other retcon matters has been given. And it probably will stay this way for a long time, maybe an entire year.

HigeR2 votes

I'll be honest here and say I didn't read it all x_X sorry in advance.

I did read through the champions and I must say that bandle city has this sort of... DNA that spreads to other cities... what I'm trying to say is that Demacia for example has several champions who's "DNA" is Demacia, meaning that they give away a feel of belonging into the city and its morale align with it to a certain stretch of course. In case of Bandle city, most champions don't feel "bandly" instead, they feel like the result of mixing a city-state with yordle aesthetics.

For example: Poppy feels very demacian Heimerdinger feels very piltovian Kennen feels very Ionian Teemo and Lulu feels like they come from Kumungu jungle more than Bandle city itself Amumu feels somehow shuriman. Fizz is not a Yordle according to his lore though you could count him as a yordle aesthetically from Bilgewater

There are edge cases like: Rumble and Ziggs who feel somehow Zaunite but have nothing to do with it Veigar who feels somehow Noxian, mostly because of his ways (Power as a mean to obtain what you want)

and last but not least true Bandle city Yordles: Tristana She's part of bandle's special forces Corki He's part of bandle's air forces Gnar He's from what bandle city would be a thousand years ago or so, though he was covered in Ice so maybe freljordian yordle???

This said there are still many archetypes that yordles can cover, Freljordian, Shuriman (with the removal of Amumu), void-touched, shadow isle and many more from outside of Runeterra. Riot could choose to tie "true" yordles with other city-states OR they could choose to expand "true" yordles more, but honestly I don't see how that could happen outside of military trained yordles.

So as far as direction goes I'd like to see more yordles in game but I wouldn't like to have 1 yordle per city-state (too cliche), for me the right way to go is the way of Ziggs, Rumble and Veigar.

Ironclad Dragon2 votes

Give Veigar cat ears poking out of his hat, and I'm fine.

Athenes Lulu2 votes

It's been a while since Rito really focused on yordles (come on, you really thought the introduction of Gnar count? Of course not! What does that narrative by Rengar tell us? Nothing.)...

Don't forget Kennen , everyone's favorite little yordle ninja. How did he came to live in Ionia? All we know is he is born in Bandle City and somehow ends up there.

And even if Rito does something, they're probably just gonna do some special yordle showcase of beautiful videos and artwork... and a new game mode! Before we know it, Fizz is going to be retconned into one.

sp4412 votes

Eh, I don't see anything in Bandle City that needs retconning in order to be made to work. They were barely involved in anything big, and there's no harm in having the non-serious city-state. (Yeah, there's Piltover, but Piltover is incredibly boring. Zaun all the way)

Khodexus2 votes

I always got the feeling that the yordle academy in Piltover was kind of an extension of Bandle City, separated socially (if not geographically) from Piltover in alot of ways, and that Rumble was one of the only people who really didn't see that separation, and resented it. Heimerdinger probably has a lab in Bandle City that he uses as much or more than his labs in Piltover, but the main advantage of the Piltover structure is that it's got alot of space, something that Bandle itself may lack for, and as such, it's alot easier for multiple Yordles to learn and/or collaborate together there.

Also, while I love Veigar's lore, I can't stand his VO. He's just a little TOO whiney for my taste. Playing against him as fine, but the few times I've actually played him it just grated soo much. I'd love to see him get a new expanded VO with a slightly different voice. Don't change the theme or the character, but not EVERYTHING has to be about short jokes.

I'm loving the insight I'm reading here about Teemo. I hadn't really gotten that in depth into him before this, as I didn't really enjoy playing him that much. I couldn't figure out how people make his death-poison of doom work (you know, the one that kills me when I'm playing Vlad in 3 hits?).

Amumu needs his lore as an ancient Shuriman yordle more fleshed out. The whole 'can't remember his past' plot device got old at least 50 years ago, and I'd rather have him remember snippets that provide a greater feel of mystery to the character than that he gets retconned to be a human child.

Gnar, Kennen, Lulu, Rumble, Tristana, and Ziggs seem to be in an okay spot, lore-wise, though obviously we could use a few more female yordles (and yes I have one in concept I've been personally working on).

While Corki and Poppy are a bit bland (though in Poppy's case I think she just needs to expanded on, not retconned or anything).

Valaran Nara2 votes

Can somebody explain to me the yordle vs. megling distinction?

Because all I get is that Tristana is a Megling Gunner which is her POSITION in the yordle's armed forces. Megling seems less like a race and species and more of a title or position. If somebody can tell me when Megling was a race or at least link me in lore to previous instants of "she is a megling (species)", then I'd be more happy with reading "Meggling vs Yordle". Otherwise, all I'm hearing is "Is she an American in the army or an American in the navy."

CupcakeTrap1 votes

There were originally going to be two teensy species: yordles and Meglings. They decided to consolidate them into yordles.

Valaran Nara1 votes

There were originally going to be two teensy species: yordles and Meglings. They decided to consolidate them into yordles.

Aw, so I'm guessing that they just let the females go furless since the only megling they had was Tristana. Alright. I'll accept that. XD I feel better now. Simple explanation without rage or sarcasm. You're beautiful.

Mistress Madoka2 votes

Someone mentioned that Gnar being a Prehistoric Yordle sort of Clashed with the Idea of the Mothership being how Yordles arrived in Runeterra.

I want to throw this out there, just food for thought.

WHAT IF:

  1. The Mothership, while being the vessel that brought Prehistoric Yordles to the World, WASN'T a Yordle Ship?

If it wasn't a Yordle Ship, but yet it still brought Yordles, what role did they play on the ship? Pests? Stowaways? Rescued from an apocalypse? Slaves? Test Subjects?(that last one would make Gnar's abilities make even more sense, too.)

If it's not their ship, then to whom (or what) does it belong?

If Riot KEEPS the Mothership in the lore, What possibilities does that Present for a new champion/event? (Example: Frothnar - Captain of the Mothership. Insert OP-as-fuck kit here)

  1. It IS a Yordle Ship?

What Catastrophic event blasted them from Space-faring Hamsters to Stone Age Guinea Pigs?

Would Gnar's rage mode be a trait seen in the earlier Space-Yordles?

  1. The Mothership is actually an incubation pod. For Poros.

How many snuggles could one expect, hourly?

Mistress Madoka2 votes

And no, I didn't label them all "1." on purpose D:

CupcakeTrap1 votes

And no, I didn't label them all "1." on purpose D:

Yordles are like the bunnies in Watership Down. They can't count very high.

Diahane1 votes

Someone mentioned that Gnar being a Prehistoric Yordle sort of Clashed with the Idea of the Mothership being how Yordles arrived in Runeterra.

I want to throw this out there, just food for thought.

WHAT IF:

  1. The Mothership, while being the vessel that brought Prehistoric Yordles to the World, WASN'T a Yordle Ship?

If it wasn't a Yordle Ship, but yet it still brought Yordles, what role did they play on the ship? Pests? Stowaways? Rescued from an apocalypse? Slaves? Test Subjects?(that last one would make Gnar's abilities make even more sense, too.)

If it's not their ship, then to whom (or what) does it belong?

If Riot KEEPS the Mothership in the lore, What possibilities does that Present for a new champion/event? (Example: Frothnar - Captain of the Mothership. Insert OP-as-fuck kit here)

  1. It IS a Yordle Ship?

What Catastrophic event blasted them from Space-faring Hamsters to Stone Age Guinea Pigs?

Would Gnar's rage mode be a trait seen in the earlier Space-Yordles?

  1. The Mothership is actually an incubation pod. For Poros.

How many snuggles could one expect, hourly?

When I said that Gnar could be in contradiction with the common theory on Yordles and the Mothership, I actually knew there could be one way out indeed. They could be parasites who came with the owners of the ship or slaves or pets or whatever. Nonetheless, we would still have a contradiction with their attitude towards the Mothership. I'll explain myself better, if they were culturally prehistoric when they supposedly came from there, there's no reason for them to feel the need to get the Mothership ready. Better said, this rules out the parasite and pet scenario and would leave only the slave scenario. Though, it would be cheesy having them evolve without their owners but still retaining a subconscious duty to get the Mothership working. Even if they were genetically engineered (sci-fi standard excuse #7), they should have adapted to Runeterra and since the genes linked to servitude would have been not useful for survival anymore they could as well have dropped them. Obviously, evolution is a slow thing, but a race gone from prehistoric dudes to hextech scientists seems like one which has been around for a long while.

If the Mothership remains and it turns out that Poros are from outer space, I shall quickly declare my allegiance to our new cute overlords, who will rule us with an iron and bloody fist smoothed by their impeccable sweet appearence.

CupcakeTrap1 votes

Yes! These are ideas I've been thinking about as well. I don't think the mystery should ever be fully solved, but it'd be fun to toss in hints here and there.

Also: Aliens.

ZenithEevee1 votes

I'll be honest, I always thought bandle city as something like Clocktown from Majora's mask...

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