IronStylus on sexuality of Diana, Graves and TF

Fasmodey·Jun 30, 2017·6 votes·3,942 views

https://pvplive.net/c/league-of-legends-oral-history-diana-ironstylus

so, for Diana, it was to emphasize tragedy both internal and external to herself. With Graves and Twisted Fate, to stoke the fires of their personal vendetta to greater heights. And the process in doing is is something that Maurino looks back upon fondly, and tries to implement in his own work with Wavedash even now.

According to IronStylus, a couple of writers has discussed on Diana having crush for Leona without return by her, which makes her story more tragic, and Graves and TF having a relationship that ended pretty horrible which fired Graves' vengeance against TF even more.

Diana, Leona, TF, Graves, Caitlyn and Vi are the only champions I imagine as LGBT characters. That's pretty rejoicing to hear 3 of 6 as LGBT planned, which makes me feel like I don't ship by my ass.

27 Comments

Ebonmaw DragonJun 30, 20177 votes

I dont want to sound rude or anything, but it doesnt matter what Ironstylys says since he doesnt work for Riot anymore. I actually see impossible for any "Aspect" champ to have a relationship with anyone because of the Targonian spirits that "take over their bodies" would not let them.

6FlagsFunnelCakeJun 30, 20178 votes

Diana and Leona are special cases compared to the average Aspect and actually retain their own identities. The only Aspect that actually has undergone this form of 'possession' is Atreus Pantheon . Along with that, Taric 's Aspect of the Protector is super chill and holds off on the idea of possessing Taric's body.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 30, 20172 votes

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and are special cases compared to the average Aspect and actually retain their own identities. The only Aspect that actually has undergone this form of 'possession' is Atreus . Along with that, 's Aspect of the Protector is super chill and holds off on the idea of possessing Taric's body.

Well, the lore of Diana mentions how the "The Moon" took over her body for a moment and killed all those members of the Solari. So, even if she retain her identity, "The Moon" can take over her body any time.

FasmodeyJun 30, 20173 votes

Yes but I dont think they give a fuck about human sexuality and what they do. If It was, Moon wouldn't choose her in the first place.

And their relationship is even more possible when Aspects actually want to know each other.

Moon wants to meet and guide Leona. Moon knows they are in the same side.

Lastly, IronStylus says not everything about his work is lost. According to him, when he has left, they were already working on them.

DraclenJun 30, 20175 votes

I myself would prefer that Riot keep TF and Graves relationship platonic. To me they're sort of the quintessential league bromance (the only other one I can think of is maybe Garen and J4 but there's not a whole lot of details on that) and I'd like if that aspect stayed. As for Diana I personally don't see her having a thing for Leona, simply cause it seems she isn't really interested in a relationship with anyone, but I suppose I could get why someone might argue she does.

FasmodeyJun 30, 20173 votes

Then they should have details on Jarvan and Garen. We don't need 2 bromance relationships. Or they should make Jarvan and Garen lovers which is unluckly.

TF has sacrificed his life for Graves, Graves had grudge for 10 years for TF. A grudge enough to end his life too. That's some stupid illogical decision that can only be fired with strog emotions. There should be more than simple friendly betrayal.

Looking dead in the eye description is usually known as romantic connection. Something they did in lore. There is even a meme about it. "It is not gay unless you make eye contact."

Graves felt like old days and was pretty happy to be with TF again.

I would be pretty dissapointed if it was just bromance.

DraclenJun 30, 20171 votes

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Then they should have details on Jarvan and Garen. We don't need 2 bromance relationships. Or they should make Jarvan and Garen lovers which is unluckly.

TF has sacrificed his life for Graves, Graves had grudge for 10 years for TF. A grudge enough to end his life too. That's some stupid illogical decision that can only be fired with strog emotions. There should be more than simple friendly betrayal.

Looking dead in the eye description is usually known as romantic connection. Something they did in lore. There is even a meme about it. "It is not gay unless you make eye contact."

Graves felt like old days and was pretty happy to be with TF again.

I would be pretty dissapointed if it was just bromance.

Why can't we have two super bromances? Bromances rock.
In seriousness though, you say that there relationship is to tight for them to just be friends, but I think it's fair to note that friendships can be just as deep as romantic relationships. The real difference is that one has romantic/sexual factors to it while the other doesn't. That being said, though I personally feel they should stay as extremely close friends, technically Riot hasn't confirmed them as ether straight or gay so if you see it as the latter you're aloud to. If they ever do confirm it as straight, hey, that's what fan-fiction's for.

FasmodeyJun 30, 20172 votes

Why is it supposed to be bromance everytime though? To many, Until 2 men kiss each other (for some people, It is not enough either), It is always damn bromance.

It is like only ways to write 2 gay men together are

Confirming they're in relationship,
They having romantic words against each other,
They having sexual contact.

Otherwise It is bromance. Because gays only do things above, they don't care each other, they don't save each others life, they don't swear each other.

I don't know who could be gay couple of LoL without Graves and TF? Who could fill the empty? While Garen/Xin Zhao or Garen/Jarvan or Xin Zhao/Jarvan could be bromance of LoL, I don't think there are other options for gay couple of LoL without Graves and TF.

DraclenJun 30, 20172 votes

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Why is it supposed to be bromance everytime though? To many, Until 2 men kiss each other (for some people, It is not enough either), It is always damn bromance.

It is like only ways to write 2 gay men together are

Confirming they're in relationship,

They having romantic words against each other,

They having sexual contact.

Otherwise It is bromance. Because gays only do things above, they don't care each other, they don't save each others life, they don't swear each other.

I don't know who could be gay couple of LoL without Graves and TF? Who could fill the empty? While Garen/Xin Zhao or Garen/Jarvan or Xin Zhao/Jarvan could be bromance of LoL, I don't think there are other options for gay couple of LoL without Graves and TF.

I see what you're saying, and once again, we have no confirmation of them being straight ether so they totally could be gay. All I was saying in my posts were that I personally preserve them as just friends as, for me, that's what best fit their dynamic, and you might say that they're more than that for exact same reason. Neither of these are wrong or right because they based mostly on interpretation/opinion.

On your second point, while a gay character would definitely be neat, I think seeing it as you need to fill an empty space is the wrong way to go about it. Whether the homosexual character(s) are Graves and TF or some champion in the future, them being gay should be a trait that developes naturally from the writers exploring the character, not because they feel the need to check something off the mandate list.

Solidair3Jun 30, 20174 votes

I'm a big proponent for TFxGraves, as the "betrayal" of TF makes the scorn and anger that Graves felt all the more justified; and their reunion all the sweeter.

I'm also down for Diana and Leona, though as of their newer lore, I'm unsure if it's feasible.

DigielfJun 30, 20172 votes

But Pantheon already did a lot of ''stuff'' to Leona Leona in bed so even if Diana gets involved it wont change much

SEKAIJun 30, 20171 votes

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But Pantheon already did a lot of ''stuff'' to Leona in bed so even if Diana gets involved it wont change much

"My spear is restless."

EpicurusJun 30, 20171 votes

I really like that Riot doesn't force the players to accept particular champion facets (namely sexuality) as facts. Of the six you mentioned, players gets to choose if they consider these champions to be hetero, homo or anything in between. That way, no one gets alienated.

FasmodeyJun 30, 20172 votes

Is that why they have confirmed Lux is not gay?

I dont think they will keep it forever. There are straight implied characters, or at least champions who have attraction to opposite sex. No same sex attraction is descripted. You can make it anonymus with letting them be possibly bisexual as they did with every sexually descripted champions like Garen, Lucian (even though I find their bisexuality unlikely), not with the way letting straights be implied and gays be only hinted. That feels inconsistent.

Also, Jhin is confirmed to be asexual. First character who has confirmed sexuality.

EpicurusJun 30, 20171 votes

I'm looking through the Demacia AMA and I can't find anything about Lux's sexuality. If you have a source for this, please share it. Same for Jhin, for this is news to me.

ErusaurusJun 30, 20172 votes

I only got one for Jhin. Here you go fam: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/WUwqmxEZ-new-champion-qa-jhin-the-virtuoso-completed?comment=00860000

Also noting that his asexuality applies both on a sexual side and a purely romantic side. He simply is unnable to love someone.

EpicurusJun 30, 20171 votes

Lovely. I think it makes sense for Jhin to be asexual. Despite appearances, he's really as much of a monster a Cho'gath.

Gun-sexual? Kill-sexual? Jhin doesn't understand sex in the same way you do.

But still, it's vague enough that we can form our own interpretations. I know Jhin x Jinx is a popular match-up based on a shared love of bullets and carnage. Personally I hate it, but players get to ship what they want.

FasmodeyJun 30, 20172 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/61tf1z/ama_were_the_rioters_behind_demacias_stories_and/dfh5y0x/

Seems like I was wrong. He says she is not necesarrily lesbian.

In other say, story just does not imply she is lesbian.

EpicurusJun 30, 20171 votes

Must have missed it. In any case, this is what I was talking about in my original comment. Players can form their own opinions and headcanons about a champion's sexuality, and ultimately no one is more right than any other.

FasmodeyJul 2, 20173 votes

But why does this argument come alive only on gay champion discusses?

I mean, letting players to decide champion sexualities are fine. In the end, even though Xayan and Rakan are together, and Gangplank and Illaoi had a past, It doesn't mean they're exclusively attracted to opposite sex. They can be bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual etc. And that's good.

But why does it only apply to champions who have shown attraction to opposite sex? Why can't we have it on champions who may have attraction to same sex too?

Why should gay champion only exist in player's mind when significant number of champions have a chance to be straight?

Hint same sex attraction for a champion and let players decide it, like how every character does. Otherwise, It is hypocritism.

For that reason, I did not say Graves and TF are gay or Diana is lesbian. I have said ''LGBT characters''. They can be bisexual too. Or exclusively attracted to same sex. It is left on players. Like Xayah, Rakan, Ahri, Azir, Cassiopeia, Katarina, Garen, Lucian, Miss Fortune, Varus, Illaoi Gangplank and many more I did not include for some reasons.

EpicurusJul 3, 20172 votes

I'm not quite sure what you mean. We were talking about Lux, who has shown zero attraction to anybody of any sex.

It's discussed here that because League is a global game there can't be an explicitly LGBT character. Even though such character might not be too controversial in our countries, it would cause heavy censorship in others. That sucks. But unfortunately that's just how the world works in 2017.

I see no reason why Riot can't show same sex attraction on a new champion in the short stories. There are already a couple of LGBT non-champs in the lore, so I think a new champ could ge thte same treatment.

FasmodeyJul 3, 20171 votes

I thought we were talking about your original post, since you have said ''in my original comment''.

I really like that Riot doesn't force the players to accept particular champion facets (namely sexuality) as facts. Of the six you mentioned, players gets to choose if they consider these champions to be hetero, homo or anything in between. That way, no one gets alienated.

By the way, If Blizzard can handle it very well, I have no doubt on Riot.

A comic is much more arresting than a short story in the end.

ShahamutJul 3, 20171 votes

But why does this argument come alive only on gay champion discusses?

Seriously, how many "straight champion dicussion" threads can you find?

FasmodeyJul 3, 20172 votes

There are many straight pairings in na boards. And they're discussed without ''Ugh, we don't need sexuality in story, It is unnecesarry'' argument.

But when it is gay pairing, It is downvoted to oblivion.

ErusaurusJun 30, 20173 votes

I personally hate every ship with Jhin, because this is simply out-of-character, and I hate Jhin and Jinx even more, because I think they would in fact probably hate each other. I really like the fact that Jhin is asexual. It fits him so well.

EpicurusJun 30, 20171 votes

Khada Jhin is van Gogh. Jinx is a toddler with a crayon. Jhin's not going to waste his time with someone that far beneath him, unless she's going to be his next project.

Hexs FortuneJul 2, 20171 votes

Twisted fate was originally paired with Evelynn. He's got a ladies man vibe going. I don't see him as being sexually attracted to Graves.

Diana also doesn't come off as someone looking for a relationship. She seems focused on serving the moon and enjoying freedom.

Bisexual Champs that make sense: Ahri Essence Thievery doesn't care about gender , MissFortune Pirate crew of lovers, doesn't care about gender , Taric Has always had a bisexual vibe , DrMundo Goes where he pleases , Illaoi Tentacles never say no , Teemo Look at that face and tell me he wouldn't **** you , Velkoz KNOWLEDGE