Do Xerath and Ryze still use the same magic?

Fasmodey·May 18, 2016·4 votes·2,301 views

They were both arcane magic users, Xerath was using corrupted version tho. Ryze was seeing Xerath as abomination of a mage. He wasn't like him. So, is it going to continue with his update? Will we have special quotes for Xerath by Ryze? Will he still continue to see Xerath as rival?

http://zippo514.deviantart.com/art/Ryze-609471489

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Xerath_0.jpg

(click to see creator)

They have pretty similar positions.

(I know I know this is just a fanart, but it is so good to be a fanart, I think it is going to be new Ryze splash art, Riot is leaking. If they don't prove the otherwise, I will continue to believe on that)

16 Comments

Chase Me DaddyMay 18, 20161 votes

Well we know Ryze (atleast in his current lore) knows a lot of dark and corrupted spells through his scroll and book that also could lead to the destruction of Runeterra. And Xerath corrupted himself through betrayal and his powers that still didn't free him from himself and slavery. But I think they both use some different power. Ryze gains a lot of energy through unleashing his rune power and Xerath basicly is power. He learned a lot through ascension but both feel like they use different magic. There might be still some rivalry between Xerath and Ryze but I think this would tie more into how Xerath gained his power and for what he uses it.

So about how to explain what type of mage both of them are. I think Ryze is a rune mage with emence power and wisdom and Xerath is a energy mage with knowledge of the universe. About the part of who is more powerful I would say a battle between two would basicly just end through the distruction of the world. They seem to be on a similiar if not exact level of power. But sadly we'll have to wait until we know more about Ryze and his rework.

FasmodeyMay 18, 20163 votes

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Well we know Ryze (atleast in his current lore) knows a lot of dark and corrupted spells through his scroll and book that also could lead to the destruction of Runeterra. And Xerath corrupted himself through betrayal and his powers that still didn't free him from himself and slavery. But I think they both use some different power. Ryze gains a lot of energy through unleashing his rune power and Xerath basicly is power. He learned a lot through ascension but both feel like they use different magic. There might be still some rivalry between Xerath and Ryze but I think this would tie more into how Xerath gained his power and for what he uses it.

So about how to explain what type of mage both of them are. I think Ryze is a rune mage with emence power and wisdom and Xerath is a energy mage with knowledge of the universe. About the part of who is more powerful I would say a battle between two would basicly just end through the distruction of the world. They seem to be on a similiar if not exact level of power. But sadly we'll have to wait until we know more about Ryze and his rework.

Actually Xerath uses a lot magic type, not just arcane. He probably knows to lift objects which is actually telekinesis (lifting shards of his sarcophagus), bending elementals (lightning bolts, creating sand storms) and probably a lot more other dark spells. Not only arcane energy / magic. Arcane magic is the most powerful side of his powers tho, it is what his Ascension deigned to him.

I still believe they're both arcane experts but one uses pure arcane, other uses the corrupted one. Or may be it is the opposite in Xerath's perspective.

Stars ShaperMay 18, 20161 votes

Xerath being a dark magician looks really patchworked in order to make him the bad guy since nothing in his kit/appearance has anything to do with dark magic.

FasmodeyMay 18, 20161 votes

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Xerath being a dark magician looks really patchworked in order to make him the bad guy since nothing in his kit/appearance has anything to do with dark magic.

Kindred has nothing on accepting death or not in their gameplay either but nobody complains. Lamb uses her arrow only for people who accepted death, but she is much more aggresive and violent than Wolf in game which is totally bullshit to lore.

Gameplay and visual wise, a pure blue colored energy being with red fire wouldn't look that great in my opinion.

I also believed his other spells except arcane magic since I learnt his lore. It wouldn't make sense to use only one type of magic on a magic incarnate being.

Stars ShaperMay 18, 20161 votes

The magic Xerath uses is a blend of the dark magic he found in his researches, combined with the power he stole from the Ascension ritual, so it's kind of a blend of different strands of magic.

I think as Xerath's power grows he'd be able to master most types of magic, but that they'd have a different effect from other users of the same magic when filtered through his body

These are both posts from the first Shurima Q&A they held during this event.

Now, I find it odd that different kind of magics merged with Ascension are all blatantly destructive powers without any effect which is usually bound to dark magic (curses and similar).

The comparison with Kindred is something that doesn't sound right to me either, all of their empowered effects come from Wolf wit Lamb having only their Q and R (and the passive from W too), their Mark passive is bound to both.

FasmodeyMay 18, 20161 votes

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These are both posts from the first Shurima Q&A they held during this event.

Now, I find it odd that different kind of magics merged with Ascension are all blatantly destructive powers without any effect which is usually bound to dark magic (curses and similar).

The comparison with Kindred is something that doesn't sound right to me either, all of their empowered effects come from Wolf wit Lamb having only their Q and R (and the passive from W too), their Mark passive is bound to both.

I asked those questions, so I know those answers too.

Kindred's gameplay doesn't completely fit to Kindred's lore, admit it. Same for Xerath, he only uses arcane magic in his kit. He knows much more than '' just arcane magic ''. So we're both correct, but we can't do anything about it.

For a magic incarnate being, I already guessed his magic capacity without Riot's confirmation. In other say, nothing changed for me. Only arcane magic doesn't fairly fits to Xerath as you probably know, he should be able to use most type of magic. He is literally living magic.

Stars ShaperMay 18, 20161 votes

Oh, didn't check it was you xD

I can connect it to what Aurelion Sol says that in the end mages didn't grasp the nature of magic (while Xerath probably did, the lack of interaction between these 2 is a big lore hole imo). We know that Xerath has achieved a higher "cosmic" status compared to other Ascended. It can also be justified with Xerath choosing to use mostly Arcane (or rather.. "Pure") destructive magic in order to discharge himself form his natural instability.

FasmodeyMay 18, 20161 votes

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Oh, didn't check it was you xD

I can connect it to what Aurelion Sol says that in the end mages didn't grasp the nature of magic (while Xerath probably did, the lack of interaction between these 2 is a big lore hole imo). We know that Xerath has achieved a higher "cosmic" status compared to other Ascended. It can also be justified with Xerath choosing to use mostly Arcane (or rather.. "Pure") destructive magic in roder to discharge himself form his natural instability.

I also asked a question to Jaredan in ask fm which is about why doesn't Aurelion Sol have any interaction for Xerath? He said '' Aurelion Sol may see Xerath as an interesting oppurtinity. '' I connect it with his vast magic knowledge, he may break his spell even without Targon's realizing.

I think Aurelion Sol would be impressed with Xerath because he is the only sample of his kind and show much more respect to him compare to other Ascended, even while I still think Aurelion Sol is more powerful. (Xerath has more potential tho)

Stars ShaperMay 18, 20161 votes

Yes, that is an interesting perspective.

GreenLoreMay 18, 20161 votes

Honestly Xerath strikes me as the kind of person who would use any kind of sorcery,someone who could wield both "good" and "evil" magic. His lore mentions him using "dark sorcery"(which likely refers to it being a kind of magic that is generally seen as evil,not necessarily associated with darkness itself) only once during the ascension ritual(he used it to force the sun priests to continue the ritual),but that doesn't mean that xerath is overall specialized in dark magic.

In the german version of the game he even has the taunt "light side,dark side,I don't care,I'll just use both sides of the might"

Stars ShaperMay 18, 20161 votes

That quote (and your point) makes a lot of sense with the current Xerath, I'm sad we don't have an equivalent here.

DecritMay 18, 20161 votes

Probably because gameplay does not 1:1 lore.

I mean probably Veigar can use fire magic so he can lit a forest afire, but he does not use that ingame because that' s not a core part of his character, and in game they have to cherry pick what to and what to not do.

OleandervineMay 18, 20161 votes

I'm not sure that that will be Ryze's new splash. He's getting visually overhauled, and I'm pretty sure, like everyone else, he'll take a few dramatic changes that will make him different enough from his current appearance. Very few visually updated characters have retained their old look exactly.