Why not release Sewn Chaos Amumu and Blitzcrank as an…

Gosh Darn · 2017-01-29T22:47:39.976Z

Background: If you didn't know, Sewn Chaos Amumu and Blitzcrank were released for testing on the PBE. They were met with a lot of criticism and Riot decided to simply scrap them altogether. They already had their in-game models and splashes, they were ready to go. These skins are not bad, not bad at all. Maybe they are inferior to other skins these champions have, have a few issues, and probably won't be that popular, but they're not bad. ESPECIALLY not bad enough to be totally scrapped when they're already made. Why not just introduce them into the game in another way? If they aren't going to generate any profit, yet their models and splashes are already made, there's no reason to flat out cancel them. I actually like Sewn Chaos Amumu but I have Surprise Party already, so I would never buy it but it would be cool to use every now and again. They are more than good enough to be given as a freebie as they are. You can release them in any way shape or form you wanted. Blitzcrank and Amumu are also low-cost, old champions easily accessible to new players. You could release it as a cheap, fair priced bundle, or just give these skins away to everyone so that new players especially could try out skins. It could even be an IP Bundle, being the first non-chroma skin to be purchasable with IP. The possibilities are endless and it'd be a shame to just throw these skins in the garbage.

Gosh DarnJan 30, 201712 votes

These aren't bad skins though, and skins cost from 390 Rp to 3250 Rp. It's well understood that skins all have different levels of qualities, and having these in the game would not reduce the overall quality of the game. Most importantly, if they don't even have a cost there's no controversy or any sort of negative experience associated with the skins.

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20173 votes

Except that releasing skins through a special event means they still have a cost, just not one of RP. It is like how champions have a cost, and it is time and games despite them being "Free".

Also note that we haven't had a skin below 750 RP for a looong time, in keeping with the raising of quality. Also while some people might like the skins, the vast majority feel like they aren't very good or in keeping with Riot's quality bar. Ignoring the WW posts the PBE boards were flooded with a feeling of "meh" towards the skins. They just aren't anything special.

Sewn Chaos has also never been a popular skin line. Orianna didn't get very good responses and neither did these skins. People just don't like the look and feel of the skins.

Golden Tager XJan 30, 20171 votes

"raising of quality" aka "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20172 votes

No, raising in quality as in trying to make a good game. If all they cared about was money they would have released the skins they had already poured a lot of money into producing instead of withdrawing them.

AzteryzJan 30, 20172 votes

dont agree with the first guy

but these skins and the theme they tried to go for was such a long shot

"other teddy toys annie has enchanted like tibbers" what?

at least give them to animal champions. and the only reason it worked on Orianna is the whole doll thing works

plus riot would hate the idea of giving what they consider "bad skins" and giving them as rewards for good behavior and saying "hey good job"

Rude NameJan 30, 20176 votes

Just gona add this comment on here. Hands down, no questions asked, both the Blitz and Amumu skins are so so so many times better than some skins which are in the game. Magnificent Twisted Fate, Annie in Wonderland, many Kennen skins, etc.

All of these skins are less than 5 star. The Sewn Chaos ones should at least be legacy, which is why I imagine most sub-par skins are there.

The theme wasn't too far off, I dunno what people are on about. I guess that's just me being clueless.

Jerry SeinfeIdJan 30, 20172 votes

all of those are also old.

Ferus and FerrumJan 30, 20172 votes

Most of the older skins are way lower in quality than the current 750 RP simply due to the lack of resources riot had back then. Most skins now have different particles, model additions, voice lines, etc. Riot girl Tristana was literally a shitty pink reskin with no changes to anything on her character model. The splash art was a recolor of her base splash with pink hair... that was it. Same thing with Shamrock malphite, shadow eve, badger teemo, Pharaoh nidalee, Toxic mundo, nightmare chogath, viridian kayle if im not mistaken, King rammus, swamp kennen, frozen shen, and there were more still.

Rude NameJan 30, 20173 votes

And Riot is now a modern company with modern standards. They couldn't remove these skins, because people will feel cheated that they bought them. So prevention is better rhan the cure.

However, to an external source, there are worse skins than the Amumu and Blitz one for sale right now, that are always available. That's the problem, time shouldn't really matter. The WHOLE game should be 5 stars, not just what was added recently.

So, what we're seeing here is a little bit of contradiction. Either add the skins to the game, or change every single other skin which they believe is sub-par.

I kmow Riot wants to be 5-star, but the consistency right now is a bit of a problem.

Duke AnaxJan 30, 20171 votes

It would have been so much beter if they hadn't added the teady ears.

Im not too sure about Sewn Chaos Blitzcrank, but Sewn Chaos Amumu could have worked.

However Sewn Chaos Teddy Amumu and Sewn Chaoes Teddy Blitzcrank was just too much.

AngelFrost00Jan 30, 20172 votes

5000 RP* Draven Draven XDDD

Ferus and FerrumJan 30, 20172 votes

Every skin price 520 and under has since been discontinued by Riot.

The prices only exist on skins created before the new rule by riot

SukishooJan 30, 20172 votes

Releasing a skin through any means that is a lower quality has a negative impact. Making it a special event doesn't necessarily help as it can make players feel ripped off for going above and beyond to get a meh skin.

Yes, and some of the free skins gotten in the game through the Ranked seasons haven't been that high of quality either, yet they are still here to stay.

So why would it be any different if they released these in such a way that made them kind of limited?

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20173 votes

Other than the Maokai one there has been a lot of positive responses to the Ranked skins released in the past. 5/6 is a pretty good track record.

I am not saying it couldn't be done, but players have never been very responsive to the sewn chaos skin line. The PBE was mostly negative feedback on the skins. If you are going to have an event for skins they have to be skins that players are actually going to want, because events take a lot of effort to put together and you want players to feel rewarded.

Take a look at victorious maokai. The ranked skin that flopped. I haven't seen one in game yet, and I OWN the skin. There was no excitement, no frenzied rush for Gold, people just didn't care. If they made an event for the skins it would be the same way.

The point about quality still stands. They just aren't up to par with other skins. Some cheaper skins like the RPG skins get through because they have themes that a lot of LoL players can appreciate (RPG and Pen and Paper games) or they are like the Worldbreaker skins and have a really cool thematic.

Sewn Chaos are fine, but they don't capture the attention of the vast majority of the LoL community. As such they drop the bar for skin quality when Riot is trying to raise it.

Riot makes a ton of skins and a lot of them don't go through. Sewn Chaos just slipped through on accident and got the negative feedback that Riot knew they would get if they got released, which is why they had no plans to release the skins.

SukishooJan 30, 20171 votes

Take a look at victorious maokai. The ranked skin that flopped. I haven't seen one in game yet, and I OWN the skin. There was no excitement, no frenzied rush for Gold, people just didn't care. If they made an event for the skins it would be the same way.

I wouldn't say it flopped, more so people just weren't expecting it cause he was more or less relevant in season 5 rather than season 6. I was talking more so about skins like Morg's for instance, which I own that as well as Maokai, and it's actually one of her worst skins due to her model (even though it's nice that she got recognized for her power in the season).

Riot makes a ton of skins and a lot of them don't go through. Sewn Chaos just slipped through on accident and got the negative feedback that Riot knew they would get if they got released, which is why they had no plans to release the skins.

LOL. If they had no plans to release them, they wouldn't have made the splash art as that is one of the last things they do. They wanted to release them, but a lot of people didn't like them. I personally liked Blitz, his was decent, but Amumu's was very off.

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20171 votes

Actually splash arts are a WIP for most of the skins creation phase. There was even a thing on it a while back. Splash arts go through a ton of editing. Also the skins were pulled back very late in the timeline, which is why the PBE folks didn't get the memo and it slipped into the PBE cycle.

SukishooJan 30, 20171 votes

Yes they are, however that one was finished so they meant to release the skins. The skins were pulled at the end of the cycle and not added to the live patch due to the feedback, not because they didn't intend to release them.

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20171 votes

Ah sorry was slightly miss-remembering the phrasing of the quote

Sometimes we work on things that just don’t end up hitting our quality bar. And usually, we try to cut those things well before they actually hit PBE, but in this case we were a little too late. The truth is neither Sewn Chaos Blitzcrank nor Sewn Chaos Amumu hit the quality expected of our recent skins, so we’re making the call to remove them.

- I am Carlos

Was remembering it as them being too late to pull it off the PBE patch rather than being too late when it came to weeding it out.

The point still stands that they were low quality and putting them into league would lower average skin quality as a whole regardless of how they went about it.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 30, 20171 votes

You got downvoted but this is correct. Remember the figure they completely scrapped because it wasn't quality enough? They had already made how many? They didn't give them away as gifts or whatever. If they're good enough to be rewards they're good enough to be sold

Like you can disagree with the logic, I sorta do, but this is Riot's logic. These are facts

warmcorntortillaJan 30, 20173 votes

Yeah except that Chroma skins exist.

Which are, very freaking literally, palette swaps. Do you know how fast I can do a palette swap? It probably takes one person a day, maybe two, to make a chroma pack. Making new textures and models is super hard, but recoloring stuff is REALLY easy. So the amount of work Sewn Chaos skins have is huge compared to the amount of work put into chroma packs.

And yet, Chroma packs exist. So it's more like going to Disney, where you can either order lobster at a nice place, or buy a hotdog from a vendor. And why shouldn't we have more hotdogs? Lots of people are perfectly satisfied with cheap shit (some people can only afford it), and Riot is certainly not above shoveling it out to us.

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20172 votes

Chromas are kind of a compromise between quality and value because they are clearly shipped as not skins, but recolours, often of quality skins. It is part of why they have IP sales on them. They exist to change a colour pallet to a more pleasing one, and they are clearly built up and sold that way so there is no other expectation for them. On the other hand skins actually do have a real expectation for them.

I am not saying that the skins shouldn't be released, I am explaining Riot's logic behind why they wont be released.

PlacentasJan 30, 20171 votes

Not sure why you have so many downvotes, you made valid points. It's Riot's business, it's their standards that matter, not the opinion of a handful of random players.

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20172 votes

People use upvotes/downvotes to show their opinion. If a Riot employee sees this thread and sees someone explaining why Riot does something and sees that it is heavily downvoted then they are going to understand that people do not agree with Riot's methodology.

I don't mind being downvoted. Sure upvotes are always nice but if I cared about that I would just meme all day. I prefer to utilize the boards as what they are, a discussion forum and as such I am perfectly happy to get upvoted or downvoted because it means that people have a way of showing their opinions. In fact a discussion like this is really nice because I have fewer downvotes than the guy responding to me has upvotes. That shows that my comment has sparked some good discussion and there are people on both sides giving their opinions and feedback.

Personally I very rarely downvote because it makes people less likely to read others opinions and give them the thought and credit they are due. I instead just upvote posts I especially agree with.

PlacentasJan 30, 20171 votes

No yeah I understand the purpose down voting, it just seemed silly your valid points and reasoning were being down voted semi-heavily.

Good point of view and attitude about it though man!

LightIsMyPathJan 30, 20173 votes

They could just lower the price tag and present them as.lower scale skins

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20171 votes

I think their reasoning is that it still lowers the quality bar of their skins though. Plus Riot has turned away from lower price skins. It isn't a matter of price, it is a matter of raising the average quality of skins, not lowering it.

LightIsMyPathJan 30, 20171 votes

They officially declared they won't do anymore economic skins? ( I don't think what was wrong quality wise with those skins themselves, they were just little "less" then others of the same price)

Fondling GemsJan 30, 20171 votes

I don't think it was an official declaration but there hasn't been a skin below 750 RP for quite a while, and the 750 skins that have come out have all been very solid.

They have shifted lower price skins into chromas so that people don't get false expectations and there is a level of differentiation between them and skins which helps preserve the high quality League is striving for while still allowing for recolour quality "skins" that go on sale for IP.

Why not release Sewn Chaos Amumu and Blitzcrank as an event or good behavior reward?

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