I thought he was the poison applying, scurvy curing, orange eating, pubic hair pirate? Now he has a fire sword and explosive casks...?
Dont get me wrong, im not upset or angry or have any disposition to the fact hes awesome now... just confused as to why Riot went with the fire explosion theme when we've got a couple of champs for that.
Ebonmaw Dragon10 votesits a secret nerf to 
aaronautumn6 votesidk, makes more sense than poision
Phife1 voteswhy would a pirate walk around with a sword on fire? does he have it doused in oil? More than likely pirate esq characters use poison to kill / torture their foes.
Narasimha3 votesFun fact, pirates DID actually board enemy ships with alcohol or oil on their blades, then use them to set the ships on fire, usually by hitting a lantern or striking a match. Dangerous and makes the sword useless afterwards, but it does strike fear into the opponents.
Valaran Nara4 votesJust be thankful it's not a passive that you had to stack 3 times.
Hasztalan23 votesHis new E is borderline stupid/useless.
Phife1 votesI haven't used it my self, the PBE was bugged and i couldnt cast it... but it looks OP imo.
DG Ashabel9 votesHow would you know? Nobody has seen it in use yet because it's disabled on PBE due to a bug.
Hasztalan23 votes[{quoted}](name=DG Ashabel,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1PoXA5WB,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2015-07-08T07:30:27.809+0000)
How would you know? Nobody has seen it in use yet because it's disabled on PBE due to a bug.
Because there are things which if u take a look at u can already tell wether it will work or not. If i mak a champ with 99999 damage ultimate u'll know instantly it's not gonna cut it no matter what.
Same with this E it is a stationary things (which is already bad see heimer turrets) has cast time ( even worse) and requires an autoattack (r u kidding me?) and the enemy can take disable it ( forget it).
GP's issue was the lack of dual components in his kit meaning if he built dmg he was paper, he built tanky he did 0 dmg. If he went bruiser he couldn't do anything and this problem with his new E won't solve it. Also they are focring him to farm now with Q due to the ult changes. He needs something which is a HUGE defensive steroid so he can actually function as a fighter.
DrCyanide3 votesSame with this E it is a stationary things (which is already bad see heimer turrets) has cast time ( even worse) and requires an autoattack (r u kidding me?) and the enemy can take disable it ( forget it).
It doesn't require an auto attack, it can be detonated by a Q.
In detonating it with your Q, all of the minions it kills give you the gold from your Q as well as their kill gold.
In detonating it, you also get your passive up. So even having a barrel off to the side where it won't damage an enemy could help you escape or close the gap to kill someone.
You seem to know less about his E than you think you do.
Hasztalan23 votesIt doesn't require an auto attack, it can be detonated by a Q.
In detonating it with your Q, all of the minions it kills give you the gold from your Q as well as their kill gold.
In detonating it, you also get your passive up. So even having a barrel off to the side where it won't damage an enemy could help you escape or close the gap to kill someone.
You seem to know less about his E than you think you do.
Taking a Q away from the enemy to detonate his E is alraedy bad. And in 2015 who the hell do u think will get hit by the stationary barrels? The double dashing 
? THe "imflyingoverminions" 
? The sry only lord knows where am i 
? OH sorry maybe the "immobile mid mages " 
. WEll fuck.
Unless that E has a blatantly overtuned base dmg and/or scaling it won't make much difference. Even if it does riot will insta nerf it then cuz gp is not a muhlcschamp
DrCyanide6 votesTaking a Q away from the enemy to detonate his E is alraedy bad.
Really? An AoE Q is bad? Because that's what detonating his E with Q is. Crit the barrel, you've got an AoE crit hitting anyone and everyone in the blast zone or linked blast zones.
And in 2015 who the hell do u think will get hit by the stationary barrels?
Every person who face-checks bushes, that's who. Also everyone who chose to ignore the barrel and focus a different target in a team fight. Depending on how they're coded, the enemy Blitz might be able to pull them into his team, then you could Q one right in his face before he can destroy it.
You really just need to give it a chance and stop complaining about it until then.
Hasztalan22 votesReally? An AoE Q is bad? Because that's what detonating his E with Q is. Crit the barrel, you've got an AoE crit hitting anyone and everyone in the blast zone or linked blast zones.
Every person who face-checks bushes, that's who. Also everyone who chose to ignore the barrel and focus a different target in a team fight. Depending on how they're coded, the enemy Blitz might be able to pull them into his team, then you could Q one right in his face before he can destroy it.
You really just need to give it a chance and stop complaining about it until then.
No im not stopping. I've been waiting for 3 years to get him out frmo the dumpster and THIS is waht we get? THIS?!?!?!??! A pathetic half assed "o look we got 5 minutes till relaunch quick think of something ... UMM LETS DO BARRELS!" bs ability and solving none of his issues? That they write taht GP has no iconic ability so he needs unique thing? LIKE WATTEFUCK.
His Q is unique, his ult is unique , his orange is truly withouth any similar mechanism in the entire game , and instead of getting something which nicely fits and support theese tehy wanna force me to play mini minesweeper while azir is 2 shotting my team?
No. I had enough from rito's failures for years now and this new E is completely garbage.
DrCyanide4 votesYou've demonstrated you know next to nothing about this ability, yet you're convinced that it was thought up last minute and is garbage.
It's CC, it's zone control, it's damage, it gives him his passive again, it can be used to get your move speed boost, it helps you clear waves and get more gold while doing so, and we're not sure if it gives vision or not yet. What more do you want from an ability?!
Yes, Gangplank's Q,W, and R are unique, which is why they're keeping them! You loose a "push button for stat boost" ability and gain an ability that takes more brainpower to use. Is that really so bad?
Hasztalan21 votesYou've demonstrated you know next to nothing about this ability, yet you're convinced that it was thought up last minute and is garbage.
It's CC, it's zone control, it's damage, it gives him his passive again, it can be used to get your move speed boost, it helps you clear waves and get more gold while doing so, and we're not sure if it gives vision or not yet. What more do you want from an ability?!
Yes, Gangplank's Q,W, and R are unique, which is why they're keeping them! You loose a "push button for stat boost" ability and gain an ability that takes more brainpower to use. Is that really so bad?
As the old saying goes dont argue with idiots as they'Ll drag you down onto their level and will win over you. SO my friend keep sleeping and dreaming pinky and the alike i won't waste my time. ANd no i never said taking away his old E was bad . The problem is that NONE of gp's issues are solved with this new E. THat is the problem my friends.
James Stone5 votesAs the old saying goes dont argue with idiots as they'Ll drag you down onto their level and will win over you. SO my friend keep sleeping and dreaming pinky and the alike i won't waste my time. ANd no i never said taking away his old E was bad . The problem is that NONE of gp's issues are solved with this new E. THat is the problem my friends.
You're right. It's not worth arguing with idiots. You're only wrong in who the idiot is. You are a pathetic fool who judges an ability while knowing next to nothing about it, and make suppositions based on nothing but your own imbecilic illusions. You don't deserve to be argued it. You deserve to merely be ignored until time comes to prove how wrong you are.
Hasztalan21 votes[{quoted}](name=James Stone,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1PoXA5WB,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-08T21:07:58.148+0000)
You're right. It's not worth arguing with idiots. You're only wrong in who the idiot is. You are a pathetic fool who judges an ability while knowing next to nothing about it, and make suppositions based on nothing but your own imbecilic illusions. You don't deserve to be argued it. You deserve to merely be ignored until time comes to prove how wrong you are.
So here i am necroing this thread after getting gp to lvl5 and i can safely and surely say the rework went exactly like i predicted fully in 99%.
He is still useless at every phase of the game. The barrels are exactly as i foretold : its more of a chore and annoying and pretty much rito's way of enforcing u can't directly Q champs with parrley to put "skill" or "counterplay" or whatever magic words they thought up. -He even lost his early game presence and powerful lvl1 cheese. -His passive while looks on paper is totally garbage as it scales on AD and basically another "enforced" thing which holds back GP from simply Qing the enemy. So right now we are stuck with a champ who has NO reliable way to deal damage, has a shitty early game, needs to farm 20 minutes to get his ult into 1 lvl upgrade so its not totally useless apart from a 20% slow and waveclearing who has to build FULL glasscannon , has no ways to setup the damned barrels and had his alternative builds (cdrplank, tankplnak,triplank etc) killed.
So he basically has the same issues as pre-rework.
Great fuckign rework my friend, but keep defending rito.
Dreamspitter2 votesAs the old saying goes dont argue with idiots as they'Ll drag you down onto their level and will win over you. SO my friend keep sleeping and dreaming pinky and the alike i won't waste my time. ANd no i never said taking away his old E was bad . The problem is that NONE of gp's issues are solved with this new E. THat is the problem my friends.
When GP is OP as hell later this season, I'll necro this thread and let ya know.
Hasztalan21 votesWhen GP is OP as hell later this season, I'll necro this thread and let ya know.
So here i am necroing this thread after getting gp to lvl5 and i can safely and surely say the rework went exactly like i predicted fully in 99%.
So right now we are stuck with a champ who has NO reliable way to deal damage, has a shitty early game, needs to farm 20 minutes to get his ult into 1 lvl upgrade so its not totally useless apart from a 20% slow and waveclearing who has to build FULL glasscannon , has no ways to setup the damned barrels and had his alternative builds (cdrplank, tankplnak,triplank etc) killed.
So he basically has the same issues as pre-rework.
Great fuckign rework my friend, but keep defending rito.
Dreamspitter1 votesSo here i am necroing this thread after getting gp to lvl5 and i can safely and surely say the rework went exactly like i predicted fully in 99%.
- He is still useless at every phase of the game.
- The barrels are exactly as i foretold : its more of a chore and annoying and pretty much rito's way of enforcing u can't directly Q champs with parrley to put "skill" or "counterplay" or whatever magic words they thought up. -He even lost his early game presence and powerful lvl1 cheese. -His passive while looks on paper is totally garbage as it scales on AD and basically another "enforced" thing which holds back GP from simply Qing the enemy.
So right now we are stuck with a champ who has NO reliable way to deal damage, has a shitty early game, needs to farm 20 minutes to get his ult into 1 lvl upgrade so its not totally useless apart from a 20% slow and waveclearing who has to build FULL glasscannon , has no ways to setup the damned barrels and had his alternative builds (cdrplank, tankplnak,triplank etc) killed.
So he basically has the same issues as pre-rework.
Great fuckign rework my friend, but keep defending rito.
Wait for the Koreans.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesAs the old saying goes dont argue with idiots as they'Ll drag you down onto their level and will win over you.
The fucking irony of this statement coming from you. You've just committed the debate version of seppuku.
A Miss Fortune2 votesCan I just jump in and say that even if his E doesn't do a whole lot of damage, it gives zone control which in the right hands will make him a godly laner and amazing for setting up teamfights, and also gives him a bit of utility indirectly due to his passive resets.
Phife1 votesDoes the barrel explosion deal damage based on his AD or the actual damage of the parlay base damage + scaling + crit + explosion damage to champs?
DrCyanide2 votesHere's the quote from the video, with emphasis added:
Places a powder keg that can be attacked by Gangplank or his enemies. If Gangplank destroys a keg, it explodes in an AoE blast that slows and spreads the damage of the attack to all nearby enemies. Other casks within the zone will chain explode. If an enemy destroys the cask, it defuses the explosion and grants gold.
That implies the actual damage. So if Nunu blood boils you, Janna shields you, you've drunk your elixer, etc, you'll do more damage.
That said, I don't know if the damage is "spread" evenly between all targets or if it hits everything in the target area for the same damage as it took.
DG Ashabel1 votesSo what you're saying is that you looked at a tool-tip, made a whole lot of wild assumptions and assumed them to be divine gospel.
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Okay then! I'm sure your assumption-making skills will help you in life at some point or another. Just keep in mind that it won't be in League, as theory-crafting only goes so far.
Xemeron2 votesHis new E is borderline stupid/useless.
Actually, it makes him an amazing jungler^^
Hasztalan21 votesActually, it makes him an amazing jungler^^
with close to 0 ganking potential just like WW. ^^
Mannysmoker1 votesIKR very useless, it just zone a melee champ and clear a whole wave, but you know that's useless..
TheSaltyScourge2 votesHonestly I love the flaming sword. It makes him feel less like a generic pirate.
Rueian2 votesPirates. You can never predict them
NorthernDruid2 votesThe explosive barrels I get.
The firesword thing, not so much.
It just doesn't have a space of it's own in his theme, and kinda sticks out a bit.
I wish they'd kept his raise morale speed burst integrated into his basic kit really, it's one of those iconic abilities in his kit which felt like a really thematic thing without being overly...
I dunno, what's the correct word here...
flashy? some closely related synonym?
GreenLore1 votesI guess the firesword is something along the lines of: "If GP is supposed to blow up his barrels with an auto attack,then why is the barrel even exploding?"
Making the sword be on fire explains why the barrel explodes.Of course there are times where the sword isn't on fire when attacking a barrel,but the passive returns when you blow up a barrel with,which could be seen as the sword igniting when it hits the barrel.
NorthernDruid1 votesThat makes sense actually, I knew there was something I hadn't managed to spot yet :)
Peridition2 votesHis old passive made no sense. Grog-soaked Blade? Grog doesn't poison you. It might get you drunk as it kills you, but it wouldn't poison you.
In fact, a pirate blade soaked in alcohol would probably be less septic than a normal pirate sword.
AlatreonHunter1 votesAll I know is that the fire sword is kinda amazing, so I think dis gud.
GreenLore1 votesI guess he dunks his sword in alcohol and then sets it on fire.It is way more intimidating this way.
Rueian1 votesHe could also just keep his blade under a flame for awhile and heat up the metal.
Randomonium1 votesI think it was done for lore reasons. Each region of Runeterra seems to have themes that tie the champions from those regions together (freljord = ice, shadow isles = darkness, etc.) My guess is the theme for bilgewater is going to be fire based on the reworks to gangplank and miss fortune and the new ARAM map.
MohawkBird1 votesBecause he is a pirate and most pirates deal with explosions and stuff, at least the stereotypical pirate does.
NickorizeHD1 votesI like to think that the blade is magical or enchanted in some way. Given his status and experience as a legendary pirate, I wouldn't doubt if somewhere along his journey he came across this weapon and claimed it as his own :P But I really dig the dipped in oil/alcohol theory
Lugg1 votesThey changed it since it made more sense for his kit and background. The term "FIRE!" came from igniting canons.
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