Dear League Players (Sexy Men Nao)

Battlecast Sona··22 votes·4,113 views

So I was involved in a thread for a "stripper" Draven skin a while back and a lot of the responses got me thinking...

The most common response was "but there's already tons of shirtless guys, why is anybody even complaining!"

This brings to mind something that I thought was really interesting that most guys that play League don't seem to get - that comes down to what is actually SEXY and what is a power fantasy.

Most of the female characters in League that are "sexy" are sexy as a result of a male fantasy - small clothes/not very many clothes, large breasts, etc. This is a fantasy targeted primarily at male gamers and while some girls like these skins too (or I guess people who aren't into girls like these skins?) because they can be "cute" while also being sexy (like, I don't think Battle Bunny Riven is overly sexy, even though it's clearly targeted at a straight male demographic, I like the skin because bunny ears.)

Then look at someone like Pantheon. In a lot of his skins he is shirtless! This must appease the female/non-straight male gamers that play League, right? Except Pantheon is ALSO a male fantasy - but instead of a male sexual fantasy, he is a male POWER fantasy. He's shirtless to show off his ripped muscles and his strength, not his sexuality. The only character so far that I could really consider "sexy" that also shows skin is Varus, because he's shirtless but he's not the ripped musculature that you generally see out of a male power fantasy.

I'm not trying to degrade these skins in any way - there's absolutely nothing wrong with male power fantasies existing! And I feel Riot has put some real effort into releasing some diverse characters lately (Rek'Sai is an example of a female power fantasy - she's the QUEEN, and that makes her a badass, BECAUSE of her gender not despite it, Sejuani got reworked to be less babe on boar) but there is a distinct lack of "sexy" skins that target non-hetero males. There have been some great skins lately that are targeted at female champions without being "sexy" (Order of the Lotus skin line is a great example of primarily female champs getting skins that I would consider more graceful and elegant than sexy), but there hasn't been a sexy guy in a skin designed to be SEXY aside from like... Heartseeker Varus. And then, what, Pool Party Graves?

We have so many good candidates too! Jayce is a good example of a champion that could easily be "sexy" - put him in a costume from a male revue or something! He's got the build for it, and hell, make it a 1350 skin and give him some voice lines or something. But for some reason these suggestions are met with statements like "having them be actual sex workers just goes too far".

But releasing female characters with big boobs wearing skintight outfits doesn't? Just because their names aren't "Prostitute Zyra" or what have you doesn't mean they aren't really suggestive.

Again, I would like to point out that I think Riot is taking steps in the right direction and releasing more males AND females of differing body types and styles, but let's get some mancandy! And if that makes you uncomfortable, try to imagine how it feels to be on the other side, where you're constantly being told by the community that these skins are "inappropriate" while they clamor for more Ahri skins because she's a sexy female and her entire character is designed to be seductive, or that you should just be happy with what already exists because x, y, and z male characters TOTALLY aren't wearing shirts and that means they're sexy!

50 Comments

fractalfantasies6 votes

This is actually a really insightful post.

There is a clear difference between a really aesthetic guy designed to turn women on and a really muscular guy designed to be a power trip for men.

AndroidYumi5 votes

More sexy male skins would be nice. Not much eyecandy from my perspective (even tho I do adore heartseeker varus)

1011001110005 votes

For me, it's more of a DRAAAAAAAAVEN fantasy.

But honestly, I genuinely believe that the skin is just a hilarious and glamorous concept that works with his character very well. It's not even a power/sexual fantasy issue, I just want to see all the fabulous packed into the appropriate egotism that it deserves. Draven

Yes, I'm also waiting for Taric re-work. The gems still better be fuckin' outrageous. Taric

1000angrybees4 votes

I'm so ready for the 'males are objectified as much as females!!!' or the typical attitude displayed when someone who isnt the primary audience brings attention to something that should be glaringly obvious (some idiot complains about 'catering' or some stupid shit)

There really arent going to be many 'sexy' male skins, due to the fact that the target demographic isnt exactly non-males. That and if they dont want to risk losing any of those people either. Money talks, bullshit walks.

I wish they did though, it would be pretty easy to sort out the homophobic/sexist little shitstains from the decent people.

(Edit: I'm also going to say that I'm honestly surprised at the outcome of this thread. Most of the time people just get ridiculously whiny and cry about male sexualization when it's not actually there almost 99% of the time)

KailaTime4 votes

I am a 26 year old female who plays A LOT, and I have said, on stream and to my buddies multiple times that POOL PARTY GRAVES is super hot and sexy. LOVE that skin. Only sexy one in the game, in my opinion. We should have more lady ones. (Lulu and Teemo are cute and cuddly and female friendly as well.)

Indorfin4 votes

To be fair, Pool Party Graves is sexy AF.

That being said, you are very right, but I also have to point out that there's a big discrepancy in what people consider "sexy". Shirtless with big muscles isn't JUST a power fantasy, there are plenty of women who love that kind of thing. I think what you're really asking for is for the male skins to have more variety to them, because Pool Party Graves, Debonair Jayce and ALL forms of Varus are each attractive in their own ways. I think (and again, this is just what i think; as a straight male, I could be totally off the mark) what you're asking is that characters like Ezreal, who could be ANY anime-fan-girls crush the same way Ahri is for guys, get a skin that shows off his unique.... cuteness? Not sure what word I'm looking for.

Also, I can definitely see Stripper Gangplank, Stripper Draven, and Stripper Malzahar all being skins.

TeemoJenkins3 votes

I don't see an option for "If the skin doesn't suck, I'll buy it". I buy skins for the quality of the content, not breasts. I have Steel Legion Lux because I liked the skin, it's her least sexualized. I have the FoxFire Ahri, not because of short skirts, but because it looks like a Nine Tails flare. People buy for reasons other than sexuality - I want my particles.

Battlecast Sona8 votes

My point isn't that everything has to be about sexuality, but since there are clearly female skins that are "sexy", why not have clearly sexy male skins as well?

I don't want Riot to rush out a crappy skin just to appease people, but I would like it to be something that is discussed.

fractalfantasies1 votes

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My point isn't that everything has to be about sexuality, but since there are clearly female skins that are "sexy", why not have clearly sexy male skins as well?

I don't want Riot to rush out a crappy skin just to appease people, but I would like it to be something that is discussed.

Releasing sexy skins for male champions is the best way to achieve equality.

People have complained that Riot's champion themes and skin themes are clearly aimed at appeasing male players and in return Riot seems to have begun to release androgynous unfeminine female champions, Quinn, Jinx, Kalista, does Rek'Sai even count lol?

So rather than ruining the fun for men, let women have some fun too.

ElJanitorFrank3 votes

Wait, you want a sexy male, and use Jayce as an example? Are you saying that his Debonair skin doesn't exist solely for the sex appeal?

Indorfin3 votes

That's one skin, compared to like, a third of existing female skins.

ElJanitorFrank1 votes

My point, it seems as though you missed it.

I'm just saying that Jayce has a sexy skin as well, and if you really think about it, there are many different sexy male skins out there.

It's hard for a straight male to see, because we don't realize that stuff.

Baron of Bread2 votes

Is that really for sex appeal? I thought it was more for the suave socialite type of fantasy. I guess he is pretty attractive, I just am not one to be able to judge that.

Manaricelle3 votes

I feel the Pool Party Draven is pretty sexy imo~

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

I agree on the imbalance, but as it for me I'd just throw everything out of the window. Leave that shit out of our game.

Warface2 votes

in this thread: tumblr feminazi SJW demands sexualized male characters while reprimanding the Devs for making sexy females. She demands a sexualized, objectified character to "counter" other "Sexualized and objectified female character".

this is an example of Misandry folks: The hatred, trivialisation and objectification of men. move along folks, nothing to see here

Indorfin6 votes

The OP isn't saying that there's anything wrong with sexy skins, they're just pointing out the obvious point that the male characters don't get the same treatment, and that they could. There is literally nothing to get so butthurt over.

ElJanitorFrank4 votes

Uhh...did you read the post? It was just saying that a lot of the men people THINK are sexualized are actually just a power fantasy, and that they could do with more sexualized men.

No where did it 'demand' sexualized male characters, and no where did it 'reprimand' the devs for making sexy females.

You know, I'm against feminism, but it's people like YOU who are on my side and make us all look sexist.

Thanks for that.

1000angrybees8 votes

Jesus christ. people who pull out the 'TUMBLR FEMINAZIS' and 'SJW'S!' shit are worse than the people who are over-zealous and serious all the time.

Also that isnt misandry. Nice try pal.

fractalfantasies1 votes

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in this thread: tumblr feminazi SJW demands sexualized male characters while reprimanding the Devs for making sexy females. She demands a sexualized, objectified character to "counter" other "Sexualized and objectified female character".

this is an example of Misandry folks: The hatred, trivialisation and objectification of men. move along folks, nothing to see here

Having sexy skins for both men and women is a much better way to achieve equality than blotting out all sexualised skins aimed at men.

Battlecast Sona1 votes

that feel when I'm a gay man

that feel when I repeatedly say I don't have a problem with riot's female champs I just want equality

this is misandry? wanting males to objectify while heteronormative males have females to objectify? EVIL!

kDrakari2 votes

I don't really understand what criteria you're using to determine "sexy male skins". I don't object to them, I just don't really know how to intentionally create something to fit that concept, while it's very easy to describe the "sexy female skins" concept.

I still doubt Stripper Draven will be a thing, because what Riot cares about is not what you or I, or even the community thinks is inappropriate; they care about what the government and rating boards in their markets think is inappropriate. Explicitly including strippers is a pretty fast way towards "inappropriate" in that regard.

IcyPepper12 votes

If Battle Bunny Riven is a thing and not Pornographic Magazine Poster Girl Riven, I'm sure they can find some way to implement the core idea of Stripper Draven (super sexy male attention whore) without calling him stripper Draven.

10110011100010 votes

Party Master Draven.

IcyPepper3 votes

Not bad, not bad at all.

Indorfin6 votes

This. Let's just be blunt; Battle Bunny Riven is literally a reference to porn. If they can put Akali in a sexy nurse outfit, they can put Draven into whatever theme of stripper outfit they want.

IcyPepper6 votes

Don't forget police officer Vi and Caitlyn.

1000angrybees6 votes

Popstar Ahri is pretty freakin close. Dynasty is almost on school girl territory.

Richard2 votes

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(super sexy male attention whore)

So.. Regular Draven.

IcyPepper1 votes

Well, you're not wrong. :3

SwordSeraph2 votes

Just out of curiosity what exactly is "sexy" in males. I'm a little confused at the difference between the power and sexy fantasies. Like you said Pool Party Graves was more sexy than power yet he's still well built and muscular.

1000angrybees5 votes

There is a bit of nuance here, so that's reasonable. Power Fantasy is taking someone like Braum, who is big and muscular, but making him more about how heroically appealing he is. He's strong and he's ready to save the day. Even though his outfit and musculature may appeal to people, it's not inherently sexy.

'Sexy' costumes would be if they took what Braum has now and made it unreasonable to really sell that it's obviously sexy. Make things shorter, show more skin, make the crotch and ass more risque, maybe even add some detailed bulge. Change his demeanor to make him seem like he's not saving you and more like he's being sexually suggestive. That would be the closest thing to objectification that female characters experience.

SHadowSchiffer2 votes

Gragas are you saying this guy doesn't fulfill your sexual fantasies?

He's wearing only a kilt!

And don't forget about Pool party Graves he only has shorts on and showing off alot of masculinity!

Dr Poro1 votes

But there already is a shirtless draven.

Battlecast Sona6 votes

But again, just looking at a skin and saying "he's shirtless!" is the problem. He's a Gladiator - the shirtlessness is there to accentuate his muscles and how strong he is. It's not "sexy", it's "powerful".

Sammystorm1 votes

The poll options either made me feel gay or like a jackass. Way to go op. Way to go.

Saminus Maximus1 votes

Then look at someone like Pantheon. In a lot of his skins he is shirtless! This must appease the female/non-straight male gamers that play League, right? Except Pantheon is ALSO a male fantasy - but instead of a male sexual fantasy, he is a male POWER fantasy. He's shirtless to show off his ripped muscles and his strength, not his sexuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi0PeQIUke0

theragingnerd1 votes

well if abs are a power fantasy then boobs and a nice ass are too

Spooky Spooker1 votes

I understand what you're saying and i agree. i just dont think stripper draven is the right way to go as there younger people playing this game. i have played games with 9 year olds and i dont think some parents would a appreciate a stripper in their children's games at that age. maybe some kind of skin that is 100% at being sexy (but only to some of course).

Quort1 votes

How do you know Pantheon's not a male sexual fantasy? Huhhhh? Huuuuuuuhhhh? ;P

LoL Ergo Urgot1 votes

Then there are the players such as I, who circumvent notions of "sexy" for true beauty. Namely, him Urgot , Sir Lord Fatgot.

Legacy of Xion1 votes

Hey, if they give you female sexual fantasy chars, I at least want schoolgirl Ahri out of this.

1000angrybees2 votes

you do realize that the school girl fantasy is based on sexualizing under age girls?

Legacy of Xion1 votes

You do realize not everyone sees it as a sexual fantasy and I think it'd be adorable?

1000angrybees1 votes

That doesnt exactly change the nature of it just because of your intentions??? it's still based on an extremely creepy fantasy??

Ultra da boy1 votes

FOR ANyONE THAT IS CONFUSED ON THIS TOPIC. THE OP IS SAyING THERE ARE MULTIPLE SEXy GIRL SKINS, AND SHE WANTS SOME SEXy GUy SKINS. THAT IS ALL. NO FEMINISM OR ANyTHING OF THE SORT.

but then the topic still stands to appease what "sexy" even is. Some might think Braums huge pecs and lack of a shirt is sexy, while others might think that debonair Jayce with his slick smile and crisp tuxedo is what gets their panties soaked. it's a hard request

Kaipop1 votes

Pool party/lifeguard nasus pls

slippykitten1 votes

You're missing something important about the female mind. They aren't entirely turned on by visual stimulation (most of the time) especially cartoonish ones. Have you ever wondered why the sexiest men in hollywood are often in their late 40's? Women are often aroused by a combination of appearance, sound, attitude, smell, and their personal preferences.

So, it is unlikely that many women are going to find male LOL champs "sexy" in a similar manner that men find female champs "sexy", regardless of how the champs are depicted.

IamtheLexx1 votes

Very interesting topic. As a woman, of course I'm not against the idea of Riot giving us nice sexy skins for the male champions. The thing is, in my experience, what women find sexy isn't as easy to pinpoint as it is for men. I'm sure there are many women who like big, manly, muscular, shirtless dudes, but I know that's personally not my case, and I know I'm not the only one. I think women are more focused on the face of man, his style, and his overall personality. Maybe that limits things when it comes to skins though lol

When I read the post, the first name that popped into my head when thinking about sexy male champs in League, was Twisted Fate. He's not too muscular, he's got a rather handsome face (what we can see of it at least), he's got a cool style (and clothes matter to women, whether they're fashionistas or not), a sexy voice, and a cocky attitude. It's the sum of all the parts that make him sexy in my view. There aren't many characters like that in League, except maybe Jayce and Vladimir. Now, as an exception to the rule, I gotta say that I really enjoyed Heartseeker Varus, but mainly because that was such a fun inversion of the trope of the badass female character suddenly put in a skimpy outfit lol I wouldn't really want to see the other male champions bare it all just for the sake of equality...

When it comes to skins for the female champs I don't really care honestly. I don't mind sexy chicks at all. What I find boring though is the lack of diversity when it comes to females characters in the game. Out of 40 female champions, maybe 5 or 6 wouldn't really be considered sexy (Annie, Lulu, Tristana, Rek' Sai, Kayle). There's much more variety on the male side. I'd like more ugly, monstruous, non-human female champions. Maybe more female yordles too. That'd be sweet.

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