Shaco mains, what is Shaco's identity as a champion for you?

TequilaZombie·7/24/2017, 5:49:15 PM·6 votes·779 views

Title says it all.

I'm currently doing some game design exercises with League champions ~~ and because I'm paid to sit around for 10 hours straight on Mondays~~. And Shaco being my main, I'd figured he'd be the best one to start with. Having him confirmed to receive a full VGU soon™ also makes this good timing to have some discussion going. Hopefully, if this gains enough traction, Riot might even take a look at a broader aspect of Shaco's playerbase rather than focusing on a famous youtuber's playstyle.

So, long story short, what is Shaco's core to you? A mechanically, thematically, whatever, everything should be taken in consideration!

17 Comments

DrugsForRobots7/24/2017, 10:11:10 PM3 votes

Shaco, to me, is about tricking the enemy, being a constant thorn in their side, frustrating them at every turn, being a nuisance, and, best of all, putting the fear into the enemy team.

That might give people the impression that Shaco should be toxic but I don't think he has to be. I think the fantasy of Shaco (what I outlined above) can be fulfilled without necessarily giving him toxic or frustrating elements to his kit.

For example, take Shaco's Q, Deceive. It's been the source of frustration amongst Shaco's opponents for the longest time, because invisibility is pretty hard to deal with (Yes, I know we can ward, but that's something external to Shaco. Just because you can build / buy the appropriate counter-items doesn't mean that a champion's kit has fair counterplay, which is the issue with Shaco.) If Shaco's Q puff of smoke was better looking, had a more polished VFX, and Riot played up his evil laugh upon disappearing - making it audible in a large range - Shaco would become much more fair to play against, while still spooking / mindgaming the enemy due to these FX. It would be harder for him to gank, but he could afford to be more powerful - either by having more damage or by up'ing the invis duration.

Another issue with Shaco is his Jack-in-the-Box. It's a great ability, wonderfully thematic and mechanically appropriate - almost. The Boxes have very little innate counterplay (Again, yes, you can buy an item to counter them. That doesn't mean they are inherently fair or fun to play against.) If Riot made Shaco's Boxes not spring right away, if they have a count-down timer like Jhin's traps, then Shaco becomes much less frustrating to play against because his enemies are no longer stumbling into hard CC and getting gibbed by him (which is his current play pattern: wait for a lone enemy to run face-first into a Box, jump on them and right-click during the CC and win.) Likewise, Shaco's Boxes need an audio SFX. Music or something that clues the enemy in to their location. The effect of this would be that enemies know there are Boxes around, but don't know exactly where, creating confusion and paranoia.

Visually, I don't know what would change necessarily. I think he could do with less armor, but I like the black-red symmetry of his suit. I also think they could play up the 'two' aspect of Shaco's kit, similar to how Jhin has the narrative reason for his obsession with the number 4 carry into his gameplay mechanics for why a sniper has 4 shots.

I also made a post about Shaco a year ago, so you can read that too to see where I'm coming from:

http://orig03.deviantart.net/142c/f/2016/288/0/5/05f898b77cdf0377c92ae38aa94b0ac2-dal2pkg.png

Tohob7/24/2017, 5:54:58 PM1 votes

i don't even own shaco so my 2 cents converted down are worth about a paperclip and a piece of lint, but i would say it's mostly about the ult and tricking people into thinking the fakeo is the real shaco

XPtoken7/24/2017, 9:44:40 PM1 votes

Well his identity is that he's murderous jester who happens to be extremely tricky to catch.

so far with all the mini rework and nerfs he's received he feels more like a less tanky cannon minion. I thought Riot said they wanted to take away his cheesy early game and make his teamfighting and late game stronger, not take away all his damage and leave him weaker than a support

EcchiOtakuTM7/24/2017, 11:20:46 PM1 votes

Deceiving the enemy with clone, boxes and stealth being able to heavily punish people for feeling they made the right choice.

Gildarzt7/25/2017, 8:03:13 AM1 votes

Hi i made a post a few days ago, that's my ideas for shaco :P

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/KyYL46e0-shacos-rework