Female mage issue

Mira Arya Enthe·6/15/2016, 11:44:18 PM·10 votes·1,815 views

First of all, thank you for your time in reading this. Please be patient and open minded.

This isn't a complaint about morals, feminism or the players in the community. So don't take excessive offense to it. Thank you~

So hello! My name is Mira Arya Enthe, and I would like to address an issue I have had since S2 when I joined. It is merely a matter of personal preference. But see the thing is, I prefer to play female characters in video games. I also, primarily play mages. And this has really been bothering me. It applies somewhat to supports, fighters and tanks as well, but in different ways. I'm only going to address mages. With mages it is an issue where it seems like all the females are very... convoluted! Now, let me clarify, I realize some are not. But here me out. And this isn't even about them being too hard to play. It's about... well I like straight forward, fun stuff. Not narrow gameplay styles that just demand mechanical perfection.

Kassadin, simple leap mechanic, very simply damage sources and some useful utilities. Very straightforward. He can also build mana tank, AD, AP and even jungle. And this is after all his kit destruction. Vs, Now compare that to LeBlanc. Who has a complicated marking mechanic, reverse leaping, a chain that has to stay connected and her cloning self. Yes, in the current meta LeBlanc is way stronger, that isn't the issue. The issue is she is so complicated. And you know that is just fine, on it's own. But let's look at some more. Like Ahri who's design is entirely based around landing your charm and quickly executing somebody.


Malzahar, soooo easy to understand and get 'good' at with loads of build diversity. Vs Syndra, extremely complex and unforgiving. Must build pure AP.


Xerath, super safe pick, easy to use, doesn't easily fail. Vs Orianna, complicated, uses balls like Syndra... and Ahri and weird mechanics.


Brand, a very simple, AoE mage who can just ult a team fight for loads of bouncing fun. Not a lot of build diversity but certainly better than Morg, who essentially = Zonya's, plus other teamfight based ult focused items that work well.


For control mages we have Ziggs, a fun zoning mage with tons of utility who is simple to pick up and play but amazing to master. Vs Zyra, who was already complicated and reliant on pets. But now even more so!


Vel'koz simple and fun vs Taliya complicated but well... fun.


Yes, there are some reverse examples. Annie and Lux, Vs Heimerdinger and Fizz. But in general, it's just disappointing for ME. Lux is a boring character for ME because she is just a magical anime girl, and I don't like playing children so Annie is blegh.


Again, this is just a personal thing, but I wanted to voice it.

I want a female dps, burst or dive mage. Who doesn't mark things like Kat, Akali, LeBlanc or Nid. Who doesn't have balls like Syndra, Ahri and Orianna. And who doesn't have pets like Annie, Zyra, sort of LeBlanc. Who has simple, intuitive, fun gameplay. That brings a lot of variety to the table in terms of abilities and builds.

On a side note. I would like a female support with loads of cool utilities like Tahm, Bard, Taric and Blitz instead of just heal/shield and a CC. (Obviously I know about Leona).

Finally, again. JUST a request, a note, voicing my desires for the game. No need to throw a tantrum. We get about 2-3 males for each female released. I am allowed to request a character. <3 Thank you again for your time.

EDIT: Somebody asked privately if I have ever actually suggested a female mage. Yes, three times. Similar characters with different kit designs.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/EJVWtATz-merlin-the-spellsword-concept

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/OivEGaHj-merlin-project

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/T8Ecc7R7-a-wizardly-wizard

51 Comments

RogueWill6/16/2016, 12:00:16 AM4 votes

Ahri is pretty straight forward. Not many minigames. Probably your best bet. Diana Only ability that interact with each other is Q and ult. She also looks awesome model wise. The markings are not required to succed. Karma also quite easy, specifically laning phase although she is more of utility mage

The Dreadnova6/16/2016, 9:05:53 AM4 votes

This reeks with feminism on the fact that you pulled out the males against the females being stronger in a sense.

I've played Brand a lot and let me tell you, he isn't exactly easy to play. Sure his E is a point and click but with his rework timing and combos tend to be key; onto my next point, his Q is very slow has a decent range but is easily dodged unless predicted properly, his W, although it covers a semi decent area, is similar to Veigar W just a tad bit quicker, slow to erupt, easy to dodge unless you predict your enemies movements and place it properly. His ult pretty simple but if you can predict a Brand properly and get away from Minions and or allies.

Syndra Although I have never played her, from what I've seen and studied stats wise, she's pretty broken herself. She does not need to land an ability that hits only one champion/Minion in order to stun them, they just stun everything in its path and can place out multiple spears for a greater chance of stunning an enemy. Her W does not have a spot where her ability necessarily will land and has a pretty good range, and the fact that she can use surrounding enemies and or create a sphere to use at almost any given time. Her E as I stated before, pretty strong ability given the, stuns anything it knocks a sphere through, pushes back enemies. Pretty strong ability. Her ult. It has no damage reduction as some champion s do have for every enemy/champion a sphere blasts through, it just does plain simple brokenly strong damage and covers a pretty decent range. Right off the back level 6 it has the potential to do 630+whatever AP you've managed to pull from backing and returning with items and generally within that time frame your opponent shouldn't have enough HP to survive an encounter of all of her abilities or at least some of them and her ult without having to burn at least one summoner spell given the fact that they more than likely took flash.

Kassadin Timing and combo is genrally key. He's not as broken as he used to be. Early game, easily shut down. His R has very very high penalties yet moderate rewards given his ratios. He is not ranged his E requires charges to even use. His W is a enhanced melee. Gives you some mana back, useful but not great generally used as an offensive spell more than utility, at least in my case not sure about everyone else's. His Q. Not very strong early game but the extra little shield does help some but not much.

Xerath Never played him. probably never will. But I will say this, from a lot of what I've seen he's not easy to play. Very immobile, one of his abilities requires charging AND makes him even MORE immobile. All of his abilities are skill shots. Most of them take a while to actually take effect and generally require you to land his stun to make them effective. His ult. IMMOBILIZES HIM. The early Jhin ult in a sense. Great surrounding range but, you only get 3 shots they have an indicator for where they'll hit and have a decent time before they actually hit. Easily dodged.

Velkoz Is fun, but have you seen his counter list? It consists of the most mainstreamed mid laners, that is for a reason. He's immobile and everything is a skill shot that has a time frame before effect. His ult sucks to get hit with anyone can agree. He's pretty broken.

Malzahar Never played him til rework, I agree he's pretty broken. But some things to not is that he needs to be in close range, somewhere you don't generally want to be, in order for his W to effectively and once his shields down he's pretty much open to kill if you can get around him properly early game and is typically open to early ganks since he will need to be in close range to get the most effect from his W.

Ahri Holy wah. I just can't. Okay, let me give this to you straight. Ahri, for the love of everything League of Legends. QUICKLY, and I mean quickly, made it to my top number one spot for most hated champ in all of league. Every person I know who plays her says they love playing her and that she is so fun, these are people who are mostly males if that makes any sense in the matter of this post. The reason they say that is because she is not hard to play from their perspective and they are mostly unranked people who don't even play ranked because they're not the best of players in their own opinion. There has been so many games, where I have played one or two of these male Champions you have mentioned and she just, oh, ulted all the way down her lane while she was one auto attack away from dying. Probably 90% of my hatred right there. You miss her Q you got a pretty good chance of hitting them when it comes back. She has life steal. She has an auto attacking ability that does some decent damage, did I mention that she can dash away three times? Her charm. Holy crap that thing has such a pretty long duration and a pretty good range given the fact that it also does some decent damage AS WELL.

Leblanc There's a reason she was nerfed pretty hard, still is OP. Root, dash/AOE insane damage. Duplicate an ability on a very low cooldown. A cloning passive that isn't too hard to un-deceived by but generally helps a lot given many situations such as team fights.

Annie Oh my god. A lot of people call her Satan and that's for good reason. Her burst is INSANE and given her passive and her update Tibbers is a pain and he gets faster and doesn't go away when she dies. Easy to play.

Katarina No mana. Gap closer. Low cooldown ult. AOE abilities. Generally is the one scoring the double kills and above unless you shut her down hard. She is a PAIN. Easy to play.

Orianna She's not as weak as you make her to be. Plenty of her abilities are strong. Although I haven't gotten a lot of my mind grasped around her, because I don't player her she's still very strong. She does require some manipulation over her ball but the damage ratio is pretty strong especially her ult since it does cover a decent area and pulls everyone to the center. Still a very strong champion.

Akali Just as bad and easy to play as Kat. More of a mix between Kat and Ahri. Good counter for Malzahar if you play her right which again, isn't that hard.

Zyra You mentioned her, she's very strong now. Pretty close to Heimerdinger in a sense.

My conclusion is that Male champions VS Female champions there's always a counter easy faceroll for that. Play your cards right and practice and the champion will serve you well. On a side note if you noticed Riot Released Illaoi, a VERY strong Champion. I have difficulties laning with Darius and Nasus against her. She's very strong in just about every lane. Notice she's also ripped... something I've read a lot of on offsite posts... generally posts revolving around feminist idealism... probably the reason why they released her... Anyways Riot's been very fair with the Male to Female release ratio. Every Champion is easily countered, and every champion is strong in their own sense.

PeNdR4GoN6/15/2016, 11:46:21 PM4 votes

inc. Jaina Proudmoore.

Oleandervine6/15/2016, 11:51:37 PM4 votes

Lissandra is actually a pretty simple to master mage who mostly fits your request. On a side note, they mentioned when crafting Taliyah that they originally were planning a curse slinging mage, but sidelined her for Taliyah. I'm hoping that the next champ will be this curse slinger, and I hope she's an old crone at that.

Statchecky6/16/2016, 3:12:30 AM3 votes

wow so this about the gameplay of a champion not meshing well with their lore. There is nothing wrong with a powerful mage manifesting her power with balls. I mean, look at Green Lantern, same thing, he has all this power and he makes fists, hammers and other basic silly shit.

I get this kind of complait a lot about Aatrox on these boards. He's supposed to be this war god, his kit doesn't "rally the troops" blah, blah, blah.

Look if you like the look and story of a champion but don't like the gameplay of him/her, I'm sorry but there is only so much that can be done in a multiplayer game that tries to be balanced. Even Superman wouldn't match his lore if he made it into league.

This whole "female mage issue" is just gender equality bullshit. You complain about gameplay choices Riot made for female mages and what is implied here is that males don't get this same treatment. Female mages get convoluted kits with pets or balls and yet you want something more like Malzahar? SyndraOrianna these two are the only mages who manipulate balls so its not a female thing its an ori/syndra thing.

And there are plenty of examples of male champions with pets Azir Maokai Malzahar Yorick

Keira Helsh6/16/2016, 12:26:30 AM3 votes

Don't get all the flak you're getting for this. I thought it was super obvious that most of the male AP's in the game were super straight forward and fun whereas the female ones tend to be very convoluted in animation, and almost always have some gimmick to their kit, being marking, controlling an object, or having pets.

And some of this is literally just animation choice.

You could functionally keep as an example, Syndra's gameplay nearly identical, remove some clunkiness, and make her much more fun if you just said, 'You know what? The most powerful mage ever probably doesn't need to play with balls all day.'

Q: Instead of spawning a ball she could blast an area with energy so powerful that it leaves distorted space behind W: She could slam the ground with distorted space E: can be the same. R: She absorbs the energy from the rifts in reality and opens them up inside of the target causing damage based on teh amount she absorbed.

That doesn't solve all of the problems that the OP was talking about, but it's an example more to show precisely what she is talking about. Why is it so common that female mages play with balls, and female assassins mark things?

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Moon Lady? How old are you 15 lol.

Actually I think Kassadin is more complicated than Ahri since he not only has to manage CD of his abilities, his mana cost changes on his ult (depending on the charges) and the charges required to use his E. Ahri only has to worry about CDs and her passive which conveniently make her model change so is easy to know when is up.

As a Kassadin main from nearly the beginning of League. No, Ahri is far more complicated than Kassadin. Kassadin's W nearly negates the mana management on his ult when using it aggressively, and it's still up far more often for escape than Ahri's.

I'll go ability by ability.

Passive: Kassadin - Magic damage reduction Ahri - Every time you hit a minion you can a charge, up to a maximum of 3 per spell cast, on 8 charges your next spell cast will spell vamp.

Q: Kass - Targeted damage that gives a magic shield Ahri - Skillshot that passes through minions and champions, upon reaching it's maximum distance, it returns, dealing true damage.

W: K - Passively deals damage, actively resets auto attack, does damage, restores mana based on missing mana. A - Summons three balls around her that target the nearest target for damage. Each individual orb has range based on it's current position and will target the closest target to IT, not Ahri.

E: K - Builds up charges when abilities are cast near him, upon six charges he may cast cone slow. A - Skillshot that is blocked by minions, taunting them and causing them to walk towards them at a slowed pace.

R: K - Teleports a short distance and deals damage. The damage increases, and mana cost doubles for each stack gained, maximum of four. A - Dashes a short distance and fires a damaging bolt at three closest visible targets. You can activate it two more times within ten seconds at no cost before going on cooldown.

Which champion has more text to explain the abilities?

Dolyna6/16/2016, 3:03:47 AM2 votes

Strangely enough, I have the easiest time playing Lux, despite the fact that she's filled with skillshots.

Granted, I only play bots, so take that with a big grain of salt.

FreudFromSKA6/16/2016, 12:48:25 AM2 votes

Tl;dr waa waa Rito make more sexy easy champs for me but if you do I still won't like them.

Bobo1136/16/2016, 12:55:41 AM2 votes

I couldn't agree with this more. My fiancée usually plays this game as a mage, but often finds herself using Heinerdinger, and hates her inability to use the champions she would otherwise like to be. The only other thing she likes doing is supporting with Soraka or Nami (again, champs that suffer from a lack of unique CC, utility, and are given typical heals/shields), but she hates how the female champs she thoroughly enjoys are either supports, or too complex to take the effort to master them.

Statchecky6/16/2016, 2:03:54 AM2 votes

To the OP, as you might already know, complicated champions are only complicated to start with. It goes away with repetition. Don't shy away from more complex champions, male or female. Syndra was complicated at first but really, outside of leaving a sphere on the field and then later trying to line-up a shot for the stun, she's a simple combo mage. I haven't played a lot of LeBlanc but from what I have it seems to be the same principal.

It's about... well I like straight forward, fun stuff. Not narrow gameplay styles that just demand mechanical perfection.

This line right here is confusing. Straight forward, fun stuff? Usually the community tends to frown upon simple champion kits because they don't find them fun, like what happened to old Fiora, she was too simple, I guess, so she was reworked into this mini-game champion with vitals and stuff. Seems like the community liked the change. Anyway, then you say "Not narrow gameplay styles that just demand mechanical perfection"...Riven? Except I wouldn't call her gameplay narrow, seems she's got options for days. Brand seems pretty narrow to me but doesn't need perfect mechanics and also, from what I read, narrow gameplay does seem to be what your looking for so long as it is not mechanically demanding.

Question, if Riot made a female skin for Kassadin would that be the female mage your looking for?

Statchecky6/16/2016, 3:28:52 AM2 votes

It is right there

general design sways one direction for each gender

IcyPepper6/16/2016, 3:39:56 AM2 votes

Sounds like the game needs a mage version of Vi, the epitome of being badass. Like, not the epitome of being a badass female, but the epitome of badass period. Darius and the other guys wish they were half as badass.

ZT Xperimentor6/16/2016, 5:14:28 AM2 votes

Syndra?

Statchecky6/16/2016, 4:24:58 AM1 votes

We get about 2-3 males for each female released.

Even rejecting monsters, the males in the game outweight the females by a ton.

All the females have convoluted kits with pets, balls or marking targets. Where as male champions get really fun stuff you can experiment with, play safe and easy or just does cool things.

But even kits aside, again, all the females who are wizardly casters use balls or pets barring a couple. Where as all the males through lightning, fire and arcane runes.

I want characters in general like Malz, Kassadin and Ziggs but female.

Plus males get epic void characters, females get a spider or a spikey assassin lady

males get lightning ascended mages, females get a fox who sexually charms people.

Males get epic emperors, females get a magical girl knockoff.

I mean we get some cool female mages. But too many of them are just some sort of fetish or anime cliche. We don't have many females, thematically like Kassadin, Ryze, Xerath. Syndra is okay, but I don't like the balls.

Are you sure this isn't about gender equality?

This isn't a complaint about morals, feminism or the players in the community.

Oh really?

Seriphym6/19/2016, 8:58:13 AM1 votes

Katarina

Nuff Said.

Statchecky6/16/2016, 5:40:44 AM1 votes

Fair enough, I'll see myself out.

TheEvilQueen1356/16/2016, 1:15:32 AM1 votes

what about nami? morgana? anivia? i find all them straightforward and they take skill

Arakadia6/16/2016, 6:49:10 AM1 votes

We need this and more males that are fit.

Mira Arya Enthe6/16/2016, 12:04:58 AM1 votes

On a side note, forgot to mention our resident one-shotter. Veigar