84 male champs with the addition of bard

Mira Arya Enthe··3 votes·2,123 views

And only 40 females... All the epic kits get soaked up by male champs, sometimes I feel this is intentional.

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coeurloyal3 votes

I would rather they let the champion genders roll naturally rather than forcing any given champ to be female just to fill the difference. I personally don't think it matters... I would bet that most gamers identify with each champ's persona rather than their gender.

And i'm just gonna throw this out there at the risk of sounding like a bigot--but I think gender roles aren't necessarily a bad thing when it comes to identifying with a character. Sure, any gender can fill any role, but that doesn't mean that the stereotype doesn't help enforce the personality. Draven just makes more sense to me as a male, whereas Ahri doesn't translate well to me as a male. Besides, no kitsune was ever male... so why force the issue when the profile fits? I do realize there are several that could have been ambiguous; i.e., Vi could have been male--but that character just seems so much more bad-A due to the fact that she is a super female bruiser.

And i hardly agree that the best kits get soaked up by males. Rek'Sai, Jinx, and LB have extremely loaded, very interesting kits just to name a few.

tl;dr Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more female champs. But I don't really think it's worth saying, "Hey, let's make a bunch of females to help balance the roster" when it might make the upcoming champion profiles suffer.

Sukishoo2 votes

There's 42 female champions 82 Male champions.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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There's 42 female champions 82 Male champions.

Thank you, good correction. But my point still stands. In real life population is 51% female 49% male. Yet in league apparently most people are men.

Sukishoo2 votes

Oh I know that. I'd personally love to see more female champions in the game, as we have been getting an influx of males over the past few years with one female like maybe every third or fourth release.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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Oh I know that. I'd personally love to see more female champions in the game, as we have been getting an influx of males over the past few years with one female like maybe every third or fourth release.

Indeed. I'd like to see some new female fighters, Fiora is blegh and Riven barely AAs ^o^ or a new female tank, Leona and Sej are the only that come to mind.

Sukishoo2 votes

Yes please :D New Female tank would be awesome.

TheDevice1 votes

The fact remains more males play this game than females. They are just appealing to their playerbase i guess?

And still I find a lot of the female champs have cooler kits like riven and vi and diana.

DrCyanide1 votes

You compared the population of Earth as a whole to the population of a specific occupation (? not sure what you'd call the League with the retcon) in Runterra.

What's the percentage of men who are nurses? What's the percentage of women who are in the armed services? What's the percentage of women who are janitors? What's the percentage of men who are elementry school teachers?

Implying that anything and everything should have a 50-50 split is just plain dumb.

It's fine to say you want more female champions, but this isn't the right way to go about it.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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You compared the population of Earth as a whole to the population of a specific occupation (? not sure what you'd call the League with the retcon) in Runterra.

What's the percentage of men who are nurses? What's the percentage of women who are in the armed services? What's the percentage of women who are janitors? What's the percentage of men who are elementry school teachers?

Implying that anything and everything should have a 50-50 split is just plain dumb.

It's fine to say you want more female champions, but this isn't the right way to go about it.

The time to "ask" for more was years ago when it was like 30/50. People put out entire articles and requests then, some even displaying how most females filled roles like support, ADC and mage, while few filled roles like fighter and tank.

I feel it's time to start demanding, but let me ask, what is wrong with the way I am "going about it" and what is the "correct" way?

For the most part I am opposed to any form of "Nazism" in art, controlling content. But this is also a game, a product we play, and often pay to support. We create forums demanding they nerf or buff champions, or demanding more ADCs be added, or demanding supports be changed, or demanding art updates. This is no different, making demands of a product I enjoy, and spend money on to support. Making a demand that was asked for nicely by many people since 2011 as far as I could find back.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

This is fantasy, not the military. There were thousands of female goddesses, seers, witches, hunters, healers, spirits and so forth in mythology/history. Your argument is irrelevant. It shows a hint of bigotry even, aimed only on the western European, view of "One man rules everything." while throwing out the window the mythology, legends, history and culture of hundreds of other regions and peoples. Even Europe during the age of the vikings, women were often healers and witches, which... Are perfectly viable in LoL, it's not a game of only big burly fighters, it's full of mages and healers and assassins.

Eastern culture has had loads of female assassins for a long time, and all cultures not influenced by monotheistic male focused religion have loads of mythological female characters.

Interesting kits is subjective, I see most female kits as more convoluted, for example Brand who is super simple and fun, vs Syndra who is very complex. Kassadin or Zed who are easy to play, vs Akali or LeBlanc who are hard to play.

So? The audience is male? Most males in MMOs make female toons. I am male, most my male friends want more female champs.

Just for reference.

Amphitrite: - Greek Goddess of the sea and consort of the God Poseidon.

Aphrodite: - Olympian Goddess of love and beauty. She is certainly the most popular Deity of this Greek Goddess list.

Artemis: - The Greek Goddess of the hunt, nature and birth.

Asteria: - Goddess of the stars and the last immortal to live with man

Atalanta: - A competitive warrior Goddess, adventure and amazing runner. She was turned into a lion by Aphrodite.

Athena: - Goddess of war, wisdom and domestic crafts. She was one of the Olympian Goddesses

Baubo: - The bawdy crone Goddess who lifted her skirt in front of Demeter. She is one of the lesser known deities in the Greek Goddess list.

Demeter: - Goddess of the harvest and is most notably linked to the growing, preserving and harvesting of grain. Mother of Persephone.

Dike: - She was the Greek Goddess of moral justice.

Eos: - The beautiful Goddess of the dawn who brings the hope of a brand new day.

Eris: - Goddess of strife, discord, contention and rivalry.

Eirenne: - The Greek Goddess who symbolized peace.

Hebe: - Goddess of youth. She served nectar to the Gods.

Hecate: - Goddess of the wild places, childbirth and the crossroads. She is associated with magic and witchcraft.

Hemera: - Primordial Goddess of daylight.

Hera: - Queen of the Olympian Goddesses and Goddess of marriage

Hestia: - One of the original Olympians, she gave up her throne to become Goddess of the hearth and home.

Hygieia: - Goddess of health, cleanliness and sanitation.

Gaia: - Ancient Earth Mother Goddess.

Iris: - The Greek Goddess of the rainbow and servant to the Gods

Leto: - Titan Goddess and mother of Apollo and Artemis

Maia: - Spring Goddess and the eldest and most beautiful of Atlas's seven daughters who made up the Pleiades.

Mnemosyne: - The personification of memory in Greek mythology. She was also the mother of the Muses.

Metis: - Titan Goddess of wisdom and prudence. According to Myth Zeus swallowed the pregnant Metis whole and later gave birth to his daughter Athena from his head.

Nike: - The Greek Goddess of victory.

Nyx: - Ancient Goddess of darkness and night time

Persephone: - The Maiden Goddess and Queen of the Underworld.

Phoebe: - Described as bright and golden crowned, she was said to be a moon Goddess.

Rhea: - An Earth Goddess, responsible for the fertility of the soil, women and motherhood. She took over many of these roles from her mother Gaia.

Selene: - This Goddess was the Titan personification of the moon itself, unlike the later moon Goddesses

Theia: - Ancient Goddess of sight and the bright sky. She was mother Helios, Selene and Eos. Her name itself means Goddess.

Themis: - Greek Goddess of divine justice, order and customs. She also had the gift of prophecy as she was responsible for the Oracle of Delphi before it was passed onto Apollo.

Greek there are more gods yes, but then Norse there are actually more goddesses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Germanic_deities

Just a few more

http://www.paranormalhaze.com/magical-femininity-womanly-creatures-that-kick-ass/

Even in the bible there are female figures with important roles, just usually less so as the cultures involved in it were more male orientated.

In Asian there are nearly limitless female spirits both benevolent and malevolent.

Keep in mind, "Spirits" is a weary word, many of these were just figure.

http://www.paleothea.com/LadyMonsters.html

Heck, even the Greeks had a female as the "Mother of all Monsters"

http://www.paleothea.com/Humans.html

Asking for female champions is no more disruptive to artistic creation than asking for more ADCs or asking for more technology users. And the ratio is really sad, considering the only role that genetically women are disadvantageous in is straight up fighter, which doesn't matter, this is a magical world where puny muscle-less humans wield swords large enough to crush somebody with just it's weight.

Not that I am not a feminist, I am not even a female, I just want more diversity, and more simple - straight forward - female kits.

Troutking1 votes

It isn't. It is just how thing turn out.

CursedByLight1 votes

What is Katarina Ahri Leona RekSai

Levyathyn1 votes

Female champions have a lot of my favorite kits, and that's true of a lot of people, as well. What I think is important here is that no champion feels like they were made male or female for obvious, arbitrary reasons. They just happen to be people who feel more like characters, for the most part, so I can appreciate any champion that comes out on this basis.

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

Lol, so what? Most champs played are female anyway. Or things/animals.

Meep Man1 votes

Intentional? Not at all. True? Still not at all. I guess Vayne Vi Zyra Syndra Riven Poppy Orianna etc. all have bad kits.

Keira Helsh1 votes

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Intentional? Not at all. True? Still not at all. I guess Vayne Vi Zyra Syndra Riven Poppy Orianna etc. all have bad kits.

Kitsune never said their kits were bad, just that their aren't many whose kits are simple and fun.

Comparing Syndra to Brand

Syndra Small Aoe orb summon that's needed for the rest of her abilities Throws minion or orb, resets the fade timer on the orb Throws minions, champions and orbs, position correctly, toss an orb through a champion to stun summon as many orbs as possible to throw them at someone.

Brand Damage stun if hit with another ability first AoE damage Damage and passive spreader Damage, moves faster if hit with another ability first.

It's not like there /aren't/ male champs with complicated kits either, Viktor. It's just that there aren't many female champs with simple kits. And the only female mage with a simple kit is a little girl.

Simple kits can be incredibly fun, too. It's always hilarious to spin into someone as Garen then ult them with that huge sword explosion, but he's very simple in design.

ZylotheWolfbane1 votes

About 14.5% of the U.S. Military consisted of females in 2011 Reference About 33% of the League of Legends cast consists of females.

Seems pretty generous, honestly. Keep in mind that not every single person in the world of Valoran is a League of Legends champion. In fact, a very, VERY small percentage of them are. Champions in League are grand heroes, mythical creatures, legendary warriors. These are the people that impact the entire world with their actions. These are people that little kids are told stories of around the fireplace, that lone travelers whisper about over a hushed meal on a lonely road, that drunken sailors rave and rant about in the back table of a tavern. Considering that, 33% is actually pretty generous. How many completely well known historical, mythical, or legendary figures can you think of off the top of your head? Now what percent of them are female?

Not that I see the big deal. The gender of champions is just one small part of their identity. I wouldn't want Riot to delay a bunch of cool champions because they need to make more female characters.

Keira Helsh2 votes

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About 14.5% of the U.S. Military consisted of females in 2011 Reference About 33% of the League of Legends cast consists of females.

Seems pretty generous, honestly. Keep in mind that not every single person in the world of Valoran is a League of Legends champion. In fact, a very, VERY small percentage of them are. Champions in League are grand heroes, mythical creatures, legendary warriors. These are the people that impact the entire world with their actions. These are people that little kids are told stories of around the fireplace, that lone travelers whisper about over a hushed meal on a lonely road, that drunken sailors rave and rant about in the back table of a tavern. Considering that, 33% is actually pretty generous. How many completely well known historical, mythical, or legendary figures can you think of off the top of your head? Now what percent of them are female?

Not that I see the big deal. The gender of champions is just one small part of their identity. I wouldn't want Riot to delay a bunch of cool champions because they need to make more female characters.

No one is a champion in the League of Legends anymore

ZylotheWolfbane1 votes

They are still champions, they are heroes, mythical figures, they are the best of the best, they fight for their beliefs, and their goals. They're the definition of Champions. They are also a part of the game League of Legends. So they are literally champions in the League of Legends.

If you're talking about lore wise, that would be that they are not a part of the Institute of War, which I never mentioned.

Keira Helsh2 votes

It was a lore joke The Institute of War was the organization that ran the League of Legends. The event itself was still called the League of Legends.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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They are still champions, they are heroes, mythical figures, they are the best of the best, they fight for their beliefs, and their goals. They're the definition of Champions. They are also a part of the game League of Legends. So they are literally champions in the League of Legends.

If you're talking about lore wise, that would be that they are not a part of the Institute of War, which I never mentioned.

Regardless, real life military numbers were still an irrelevant argument, as I pointed out.

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