120 + Champs... ONE black guy. Really?

Occams Raiser··6 votes·4,615 views

What about that ethnic diversity. I have heard that America isn't the only country that is racist. There was an article I read about Denzel and Will Smith not bringing in money internationally. Sony leaks exposed office emails about the monetary risk vs reward that casting black actors in big budget movies presented to the company. Do you do the right thing and cast who is best for the role, or do you get Tom Cruise because you know certain countries don't come out for black actors. Bad example. Tom Cruise Is always right if something is blowing up. BUT you get my point.

No segue needed. Why is Lucian the only black champ in a fantasy land where ethnicity could be evenly distributed? Why do people still have to ask these questions in 2015? Does it really never come up in white people's minds. For Sony it does every time they think about their bottom line. They just go the other way. I guess Lucian is going to have to date white women.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but they got umteen Yordles... so.

Edit: Before anyone makes a concept drawing there are more choices than thin, light skinned woman and fat, dark skin blowhard woman.

163 Comments

TehNACHO29 votes

Well I mean, there's only one minotaur. How Xenophobic us Americans must be to only allow one of them in the game.

Neo Cyrus20 votes

Agreed, as a minotaur I'm highly offended that there is only one in the game. It's hard enough getting into med school as a minotaur, I don't need that sort of xenophobia to also exist even in video games.

Stars Shaper7 votes

You guys have it hard but my kind is even rarer to be spot since they only put in a mixed blood and the only chance to see a dragonkin has been scrapped out while our only true representative is farmed all games :(

Nonetheless this game is full of characters who enjoy killing and wearing my brothers skins, claws and horns! D:

IcyPepper18 votes

Aatrox Alistar Amumu Anivia Azir Bard Blitzcrank Brand Cassiopeia Chogath DrMundo Draven Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Fizz Galio Gnar Hecarim Heimerdinger Jax Kalista Karthus Kassadin Kennen Khazix KogMaw Leblanc Lissandra Lulu Malphite Lucian Malzahar Maokai Mordekaiser Nami Nasus Nautilus Nidalee Nocturne Orianna Pantheon Poppy Rammus RekSai Renekton Rumble Ryze Shen Shyvana Skarner Soraka Syndra Teemo Thresh Tristana Trundle Twitch Urgot Varus Veigar Velkoz Viktor Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing Xerath Yorick Zac Zed Ziggs Zyra

Lots of colors if you ask me.

Trylobyte12 votes

Man, this game is so discriminatory against Americans. I mean, 35% of US citizens are overweight, but our only representative ingame is Gragas?

More black champs. More fat champs. For Diversity. For Demacia America.

Occams Raiser2 votes

Really, dude. The conflation isn't appropriate.

S H A Y C 05 votes

now you are the one being too sensitive. since when do fat people not have a say in anything? or any specific grouping of people? Racism is a two edged sword. It has two edges that cut, two sides of the same coin, and neither one of them is "the light" side.

Hatred:

Hitler...wanted them all dead

Then there is the other side...it starts with a tiny belief that your group of people is somehow special, or more special.

then it turns into:

Hitler....yeah him again. He thought there was a master race or group of people that was more important than the rest of the world.

You clearly think black people are more important, more special, and better than every other person...in this case it is "inappropriate" to put an overweight population on the same level of importance as black people.

moral of the story:

You are not a snowflake. You are not more specialer than the rest of us. You do NOT deserve any special attention or consideration more so than anyone else. You are a humanoid life form with a brain, organs, and red blood cells. You are born, you eat, and then you die. Thats it. So stop making arguments based on how special you think you are and how more deserving than any other people who have better tans than the rest of world are.....color is irrelevant

ShmeckleMancer2 votes

You completely missed the fucking mark. Not once did he say that shit. If your a white male, you have thousands of representations of yourself across the medium and every other fucking medium. Asking to be included shouldn't be met with scorn!

S H A Y C 02 votes

why are so insecure that you need representations of yourself across every medium?

ShmeckleMancer3 votes

Well i i'm not insecure and I'm as white as they come, so I have a million fucking choices to represent my "power fantasies" what I'm saying is that you should try to think about what it feels like to be so isolated. And saying that monsters and shit are representations is fucking callous, insensitive, and more to the point dumb.

It is a fantasy setting, not a historical one, and one that obviously pulls from all spectrums of life. Yeah, having one black dude is lame.

At no point did Occam claim anybody was a better race or any of that nonsense.

And acting like he's the racist because he's wondering why a group of people don't have representation in game is gross. He isn't flaming, or trolling he is asking a legitimate question.

S H A Y C 03 votes

It is a fantasy setting, not a historical one

yeah...so why does it have to in anyway represent real life? If there are few "black people" in fantasy land...how is that representative of anything?

And saying that monsters and shit are representations is fucking callous, insensitive, and more to the point dumb.

Where have you been the last 50 years? How can you see what monstrous things mankind is capable of and say that a monster is not a representation of man? Have you ever seen a little boy have a bomb strapped to his chest and told to go blow himself up for daddy? Tell me again how monsters dont represent mankind.

ShmeckleMancer1 votes

I understand the literary use of "monsters", they are allegories for the flaws of humanity or our fears. They are not a representation of inclusiveness. There is difference here I suspect you can understand.

S H A Y C 01 votes

sure i can understand that. But where my understanding stops, is when we start arguing over how fictitious fantasy characters don't match your fantasy of what fantasy should look like and somehow that leads to a failure to represent certain people and because of that somebody needs to fix it because its "wrong" and at an implied moral level.

ShmeckleMancer1 votes

I don't understand how "wishing" for a more diverse cast of HUMAN characters upsets you? What are you losing out on by someone looking for more representation in a game they enjoy? Why is one board post looking at racially disparity "flaming or trolling"?

S H A Y C 01 votes

everytime someone puts a spotlight on any "racial" aspect of anything it perpetuates the problem. Which goes back to my original comment....you are still not a snowflake. You are represented quite accurately by the humans in the game. nothing else is required. And besides, african or black arent races in league of legends...so if thats your angle then none of us are represented so we should all bitch and moan. Lucian isnt even black...he's demacian.

ShmeckleMancer1 votes

That is laughable, it does not "perpetuate" the problem. It shines a spotlight on the inherit bigotry in the community. Perpetuate means more or less "to continue", how would pointing out the lack of diversity perpetuate the lack of diversity?

And the second bit about demacian... :(

Come on, I can tell you are smarter and probably better than that. That was weak... super weak.

S H A Y C 04 votes

Demacian

Galio Galio, the Sentinel's Sorrow "Birthplace"; former guardian of Durand

Lucian Lucian, the Purifier Birthplace; seeks to purge the undead spirits within the Shadow Isles

Garen Garen, the Might of Demacia Birthplace; House Crownguard; Captain of the Dauntless Vanguard

How much more diverse can Demacians get?

Occams Raiser2 votes

He doesn't get that its the opposite problem. IT is a representation of reality. I want it to be more fantastic by actually having black people in it.

S H A Y C 03 votes

how many champions do they have to make to satisfy your ocd requirements of various shades of brown?

AbiwonKenabi3 votes

It's stuff like this is the reason why we have black Johnny Storm and Susan Storm is still white -.-

Occams Raiser1 votes

I'm not sure if you are trolling or not. Your comment almost seems satirical. I half way expect you to break into a Tyler Durden quote down at the end.

When did striving for equality become striving for superiority? Naaaaaa... you are trolling. Good one, dude. You got me.

S H A Y C 04 votes

i vote make every video game character a primary color...then maybe the whining will stop.

skyfall61910 votes

Karma Lucian Nasus MonkeyKing Azir champs that are black and may be black at heart. that nasus voice tho

Krizalid1 votes
Tamur4 votes

Look Nasus before his accession

DarkFaun Fortes2 votes

Azir is Egyptian, not really black, as much as middle eastern, and in the Video he has more tanned Caramel colored skin. But Karma and Nasus are very feasible.

Wukong however, is a monkey, NOT a human. Thus dose not count.

10110011100010 votes

120+ champs... ONE star child. Really?

Nameless Hero10 votes

You are absolutely right man. They have 1 canonically, evidently and inyourfacely black character and did you see how many racist Nigger jokes we got already?

But you forgot that League of Legends has tons of Asian characters Ahri Akali Irelia Karma LeeSin MasterYi XinZhao Yasuo Zed

tons of Middle east type characters Malzahar Sivir Amumu

Eskimo champions Nunu

French champions Fiora

Greek champions Leona Pantheon Diana Alistar

Smurfs Kalista Poppy Ryze Tristana Soraka

Furries Gnar Nasus Rengar Rumble MonkeyKing Ziggs TwitchUdyr

and weird monstrosities UrgotKogMaw Malphite Maokai RekSai Trundle Teemo

So yeah, league is racially diverse. And it has pirate, ninja, robot, zombie, kungfu chicks too so...

Remember that PROMOTING DIVERSITY is not the same as NOT BEING RACIST. While it is good to have black characters, diversity means a lot more than adding more black heroes so that you are not labelled as racist. A LOT of american series have a very hamfisted approach to diversity because they are legally obliged to have a diverse cast and thus make really poor black characters AND make him handicapped, gay, ugly, nerdy, jewish or transgender (*cough cough Unique from Glee, Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle, Angela Pearly-Gates Montenegro cough cough) just so that the rest of the cast can just be blond, rich and white.

Valuing a culturally diverse hero in League and indeed, valuing a cultural hero in real life means respecting his/her deeds, his cultural heritage, manerisms and language and wrapping it up in a snazzy package because he/she is cool. It's harder to make a cool black character because the expectations are higher and probably because most writers are white males and it's downright insulting and racist to make a hero whoose only definining trait is that he is black. Therefore I'd rather have only 1 badass Samuel Lee Jackson type character done well than having a multitude of Steve Urkels and Jar jar binks.

or worse

having all the black voice actors play the role of orc and troll savages like in a certain other Moba.

Occams Raiser4 votes

I can get behind a lot of what you say. The "lesser than" black character is something I hadn't even thought about. FYI, apparently Eskimo is now an insensitive term. I didn't know either.

I have seen people suggest that the next Green Lantern be the John Stewart GL. He was made popular by one of the greatest American cartoons, he is in INJUSTICE, and there are still people saying "there is only one GL for me, Hal Jordan!" They get so proud when they say that.

Takeuchi 172 votes

actually I grew up with John Stewart as GL and I feel like hes a million times more awesomer than hal jordan. tyrese gibson is supposedly pushing hard to play him too which i think would be pretty sweet.

I agree with this guy tho. I'd rather have riot focus on making awesome characters and if he happens to be black, asian, latino, gay, white, unicorn, fish, frog then so be it. so long as they're awesome and add to the gameplay and lore then it shouldnt matter what they look like.

adding champions for the sake of adding champions just makes things bland and isnt sincere. like how old mortal kombat characters would be reskinned and claimed as a new playable character

Alljoy8 votes

I guess Lucian is going to have to date white women.

Somehow I doubt dating in on his list of priorities while his wife is trapped in a sadistic spectral abomination's lantern.

Also, what's wrong with interracial dating?

Occams Raiser2 votes

Nothing at all. I love white women.

Occams Raiser2 votes

Who is the dip shit that down votes someones love of white women? Are white women not awesome?

Only Play Darius1 votes

TBH they can get pretty annoying. Not saying that I would never date one, but I would prefer to date any race other than white women, IDK why you would say they are awesome.

Occams Raiser2 votes

Bj's

Killstrado7 votes

Skarner I miss my kind

Empress Unicorn6 votes

I like how people are so concerned woth "race" when in fact there is no such thing and that the people of the real world are all one species--homosapien. Like I tell everyone in game who bitches about feeders and people who have bad games-- Get off your high horse, stop complaining, and play the game.

Occams Raiser2 votes

A white guy right? Believes racial inequality is a thing of the past so why are we talking about it still.

GaleWinUnleashed5 votes

Talking about it in this manner is not helping. Try talking about this topic without assuming that everybody is trying to offend you, and you might be surprised to discover that most are not attempting any such thing. Taking offense at every little thing does not help matters.

Pandemic Punch5 votes

Galio Do I have a say in this?

chimchilla5 votes

they really dont have to make another black champion ....i think i can speak for 95% of the community here and say , we dont care about what you want ...its a fantasy universe , they can do with it what they want ...now stop nagging

summoner 4 AHAAAAA , SAVIOUR OF THE UNIVERSE !!!!

The Bearded Bard5 votes

I mean Lucian's wife was also black, but she's stuck in Thresh's prison. I guess that makes Riot even more racist for perpetuating stereotypes, eh?

Get over yourself.

BerserkGoldfish4 votes

theres only one man who identifies as a giant crab monster, how insensitive of us.

SeductiveGrandpa4 votes

I feel like this is just some really obvious bait for someone to call me a racist for wanting more yordles more than any other new champions.

macromite4 votes

I agree, there needs to be more than one black champion Nocturne

GetBoomedOn2 votes

Look all the white people comparing black people to monsters and a fucking minotaur. Well everyone knows ya'll are racist behind your computer screens anyways so no surprise here.

IcyPepper10 votes

U wut m8?

I'll have you know that throwing that kind of label around is a no-no. The point of some comments, such as mine, is to point out that there is diversity, not comparing "black people to monsters and a fucking minotaur." This is a fantasy universe we're talking about, not Earth.

What about that ethnic diversity.

In this universe, it's more than skin color. The definition of ethnic groups is "An ethnic group or ethnicity is a socially defined category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural or national experience," not just the color of one's skin.

Lulu Veigar Corki Tristana Teemo fit one group, due to common culture, ancestors, society, and their nation.

Sivir Azir Nasus Renekton also fit as well, I believe.

Darius Katarina Swain Urgot We got Noxians.

JarvanIV Garen Lux Quinn We got Demacians.

Chogath RekSai KogMaw Velkoz Even Void creatures come from somewhere, and since they have sentience and several parts of them that may relate to their culture (as alien as it maybe be), they could also be considered a group. They're certainly not dumb creatures.

Can we use more black champions? Oh hell yes. But this is Riot's world, and there's a shit ton of cultural diversity going beyond the color of one's skin.

Occams Raiser3 votes

You sound like you put a lot of thought into that. While you are wrong on this matter I can respect the reasons why you think you are right. Your comment belies the issue however. If this was a game based in the history of European knights, I wouldn't asks where are the black dudes at. Same goes for If I was playing ninjas and samurais. They fact that this IS a fantasy world, created by people that exist in the real world, yet blacks are still a minority in it should tell you something. Name one fantasy world where dark skinned people are the majority and not evil.

If everything was equal this game might just as well be majority black champs. But I figure just the thought of that triggers something in your brain that says something about your true reality. That part of the brain would trigger in most Americans if the cast was ONLY even parts black and white. You would secretly ask yourself "Riot a black company?"

All these jokes are insensitive. This is the internet however so I am not surprised. And these jokes are racists if you are counting. I'm not sad cause I expect most of it. The sad part comes when these people actually think they aren't racists.

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