Why won't anyone upgrade their vision Trinkets?

Occams Raiser·Mar 11, 2015·57 votes·13,666 views

Why won't anyone upgrade their vision Trinkets? That's it. A very simple post for a simple question. It's 250 GD! gold. I don't care what you get but why at the end of the game do you have the same free trinket? If you ask your support for vision and you haven't upgraded to something, he should have the power to leave game on you. I'm kidding... but leave your lane, yeah. Dick marksman doesn't even buy Farsight orb upgrade and it wards from a distance. Don't you want to live? Are you mad? 250 GOLD!

145 Comments

RiotRiot TikiMar 11, 201530 votes

I think it's probably a combination of things, offhand two come to mind. Note that these are just my opinions :)

Warding at certain tiers of play is still something that folks just forget to do. It feels like it's getting a little better, but I still don't think it links to "much higher chance of winning" in people's minds like we'd like it to.
We don't have it in the recommended build items (at least, I don't recall ever seeing it there).

GaleWinUnleashedMar 11, 201512 votes

Vision is arguably the powerful utility in the game, when used properly. Everybody needs to buy more wards!

Only Play DariusMar 11, 20151 votes

You could ward and know where someone is when they are standing on it. Or you could just outright kill him instead and not have to worry about his whereabouts.

GaleWinUnleashedMar 11, 20156 votes

Death is best form of Crowd Control =P

bluegolisanoMar 11, 20151 votes

Death by Man-Bullet-Drop-Lazer. Sion Lux Pantheon

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbMar 11, 20154 votes

Mordekaiser if they ded they cc'd

ThryaleMar 11, 20158 votes

don't forget, trinkets weren't really worth upgrading until recently anyway. I mean 450 gold just to get a 3 min ward instead of a 2min ward? Thx, but no thx.

But now that you can have up to 2 wards for almost half the price, yes plz! But the habit is hard to develop, and I even forget to do it some times.

Occams RaiserMar 12, 20151 votes

Even after you get gang banged and have your turret shoved down your throat cause you didn't know their whole team was coming for a tower dive party?

supes the lostMar 12, 20151 votes

old habits die hard my friend, you also can't get the upgrade till lvl 9, which as an adc, takes a bit of time to get to.

S H A Y C 0Mar 11, 20156 votes

After years of playing games, and hours of these kids looking on the internet for some way to hack or exploit a bug in every game they play....you would think "In Game Map Hacks" would be much more appealing and a simple concept to grasp

Occams RaiserMar 12, 20155 votes

Nope cheating seems to be way more interesting than literally getting better. They might as well be allergic to it. My dad used to say "you are putting more effort into getting out of work than the job itself."

FoggyPawsMar 11, 20153 votes

Tell who ever has the power, to make whatever their trinket is, to show the upgraded version in the "essential" items section of the recommended items list.

DeclinedMar 11, 20153 votes

Speaking of recommended builds, when you recommend sightstone could you please recommend the sweeper as well?

I've forgotten about it at least a hundred times probably more, because it isn't in the recommended list when trying to shop quickly.

Klatn YeloxMar 12, 20153 votes

I think the problem with warding less at lower tiers isn't all you say it is. To clarify, I don't think an average bronze 5 player will improve his winrate very much simply by warding as much as the average LCS player does. On the contrary, the effectiveness of warding is drastically reduced at those lower tiers. When laning, I have poor map awareness. It is something I need to work on. The last 20 or so times I have been ganked, I have also had a ward in the river bush, the same direction of approach. Nevertheless, I barely see the gank coming before they walk into lane, and many have said they sat in the bush for several minutes, which I take to mean around 20 seconds or so (because I know they weren't there when the ward went down.) This means I an ward my lane all I want, but it will only marginally improve my laning. On the flipside, after my lane objective has been won or lost, I tend to take the bigger picture of the game into account more than most, buying vision and stealth wards to place in key locations, or to save for warding while we take dragon. I also tend to pay more attention to enemy presence throughout the map, and ping extensively to point out enemy locations, even in teamfights.

I have noticed a phenomenon I like to call Vision Loss by Default. I have realized that even if the enemy jungle is warded, and the enemy is visible in several locations, and I ping out the locations, my team mates will occasionally display out right refusal to look at the places of the map they usually don't have vision. I would give examples, but this post is too long already.

The point is that whether it is you (me while laning) that is the problem, or your team (my team occasionally after laning), warding is only as effective as often as you look at the map, which means the first step to better vision isn't wards, but looking at the map more often.

Dr PoroSep 18, 20151 votes

Does this mean that you're planning to add it in all recomended builds? (please do!)

Leti the YetiMar 11, 201514 votes

I dubbed it the freelo trinket and demand everyone gets this shit at lvl9 :l

Only Play DariusMar 12, 20151 votes

Not freelo.

Leti the YetiMar 12, 20152 votes

itz teh freelo trinket bro das wai u in bronze V and im challenjour smurf da secret's in the freelo trinket luckily it's sleeper OP so rito will never nerf my main !

PastramkaMar 11, 20158 votes

#Dont teach them pls!

I love my free kills from ganks! From blind roamers too!

I love tops with 30 sec ward! I especially love when ADC comes to ward without item 3342 And I'm waiting in the bush with Warwick its like face-checking! Ulty and evil grin ready ! http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x444/SeveraSlyth/Reaction%20GIFs/EvilGrin.gif

Occams RaiserMar 12, 20152 votes

Words from the big bad wolf.

Mikal PikalMar 11, 20157 votes

I had a game where the enemy team had (I think) Rengar AND vayne. I even reminded everyone to upgrade their trinket as it gives them two free pink wards. I checked at the end of the game and no one else upgraded it. I think people just forget, but it is seriously the best 250g you can spend in this game. Make it a habit.

S H A Y C 0Mar 11, 20154 votes

why anyone playing against vayne, akali, rengar, or shaco wouldnt want to have a "5th ability" in their pocket that practically cancels their most devastating mechanic just blows my mind

Only Play DariusMar 12, 20151 votes

250G can buy me 5 item 2003 and some change. With that kind of sustain, I can farm for much longer, and 250 becomes 2500 which allows me to finish my item 3078 faster.

Seriously if the new ward trinket was SOOOOO good then it would have been nerfed by now.

Mikal PikalMar 12, 20151 votes

Your comment makes no sense. You can't get the upgrade until level 9 and by then getting a health pot should not be a priority. As for your last statement, READ WHAT THEY DO. For 250 gold you get unlimited recharging stealth wards or two rechargable pink wards. It pays for itself after just 2-3 trips back to base where you would have (should have) bought a ward anyways.

How is it difficult to farm at level 9 anyways? Isn't it better for farming to be able to ward and avoid getting jumped? Your logic astounds me.

mjack33Mar 11, 20156 votes

"Because it's the support's job to ward and no one else is required to pay attention to it. At all. EVER."

/facepalm

I main support. I get people telling me to build sightstone all the time. I basically tell them I'll do it when everyone else on my team has upgraded their trinket. I don't care how much you rage at me. I'm only able to put 3 wards on the map and I'm not going to waste 800 gold to do so if I'm the only person who cares about warding.

OhOkYeaMar 11, 20151 votes

This. It's a complete waste of gold when only one small section of the map is warded anyway

Occams RaiserMar 11, 20153 votes

Well i can only assume you are joking cause you use wards to push without feeding to 5 man ambushes.

BallisticMouseMar 11, 20151 votes

I also main the support role. I always build a sightstone first, I still feel it's a support's job to cover MOST of the warding.

Sure I would love it if every lane upgraded their trinkets asap, but some people just don't even if you ask them.

mjack33Mar 11, 20151 votes

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I also main the support role. I always build a sightstone first, I still feel it's a support's job to cover MOST of the warding.

Sure I would love it if every lane upgraded their trinkets asap, but some people just don't even if you ask them.

By definition, if a support is doing most of the warding then your team isn't really playing the vision game and your map vision is crap no matter what the support does because the support is only one person.

For better or worse, I have to play this game assuming my teammates in solo queue are going to act like headless chickens and I have to mitigate the damage. This means I'll upgrade my stealth ward for 250 gold to a pink ward producer, and I'll buy a couple of pinks in the laning phase. But I'm not going to waste time and money getting a sightstone (which is a much bigger investment) if I'm the only person who gives a ****.

If I'm playing ranked or team or somewhere where I expect my teammates to actually do their jobs the way they are supposed to, you are **** right I'll buy a sightstone and start warding up as soon as possible.

AheadatimeMar 11, 20152 votes

That's a horrible attitude. I rush a sightstone on every support that I play, and the reason isn't because "supports should be the only ones warding". It's because I want to win the game. We don't get ganked in lane, we have control over lane bushes, and we can ward out river/drag to assist our jungler in objective control. If we get tower first and force a back, we can ward enemy blue/red and plan for an invade. All because I got a sightstone.

Instead of tapping your foot waiting for your teammates to invest 250g in vision, you should be a team player and lead by example. Rush sightstone/scanner, then type in chat "hey guys, i need help warding. upgrade trinkets". Almost every time I type this after having my 4 wards down, at least one other person listens and upgrades. If I had no vision down and requested the same thing, they'd most presumably fire back with "lol grab a sightstone man", and they'd be right.

Since we don't cs, we have lower gold income. Since we have lower gold income, we use utility champs that don't need gold to scale as well into late game. Thus, we buy GP10 items and focus on supporting the people on the team who will carry. One of the most helpful ways of doing so involves providing them with vision of the enemy carries. It's very simple, and it wins games.

S H A Y C 0Mar 11, 20151 votes

The only part of the supports "job" as far as warding goes is to ward gank positions during laning phase and protect his/her carry. But that is as far as "only the supports job" goes. If only the support buys a sight stone, and is the only one warding, thats 3 wards. if the support buys a sightstone and everybody buys 1 ward when they back, thats 7 wards...if they upgrade their trinket to stealth totem and the support gets a sightstone thats 11 wards on the map at all times.

who wouldnt want 11 wards on the map for all 20 minutes of mid to late game??????? oh yeah, morons that love losing

BallisticMouseMar 13, 20151 votes

I never said 'only the supports job'.

ABlueQuakerMar 11, 20154 votes

Ideally - Top: Greater Stealth Totem Mid: Sweeper/Greater Vision Totem (generally just something to help control vision with your support) Jungle: Sweeping Lens AD Carry: Scrying Orb (switch to this after your support gets sightstone and sweeping lens) Support: Sweeping Lens

Top Lane keeps up wards on the side they're split-pushing. Everyone else keeps the other half of the jungle/objectives warded and keep control of vision of that area with pinks and sweeping lenses.

EedatMar 11, 20154 votes

The new Greater Stealth Totem is the best thing ever. As a jungle main, as soon as I hit level 9 I upgrade it every single time. Whenever the enemy jungler shows himself on the map I always just run into his jungle and ward it up. Please don't change it Riot!

RpgDuskyMar 11, 20154 votes

So they can blame support for lack of vision duh even though support used 3 wards and a pink on the map already.

Saint JupiterMar 11, 20153 votes

There is way more to doing good in this game then your KDA ratio. If you're an ADC that is negative, but you're also getting a lot of objectives and supporting the team than it doesn't matter what your ratio is. One of the best ways to support your team is with vision and they give you one item for free even! 250 gold for even more vision is like handing out a free life.

Gray FanchonMar 12, 20153 votes

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it put wards around that water.

Aboylova92Mar 11, 20152 votes

I honestly have no idea. As someone that plays top a decent amount, I almost always purchase it, unless like last game I'm so ridiculously far ahead, it doesn't even matter. But it doesn't even matter what lane you are. Jungle? wow you just almost solved your vision issue and only need to buy pinks. Mid, you can't even complain now if you're getting ganked, if you're still in laning phase around 9 that is. I'll even tell my team that they should upgrade their vision trinkets, and either get silence or "that's the supports job."

Riot gave us free vision start of the game last year, now they've basically given us free vision for the rest of the game come level 9, and people still refuse to ward, and also yell when they get picked off in the jungle because of the lack of wards. Really disheartening to look at the map and only see my 2 or 3 wards placed lol.

PerishSoftlyMar 11, 20153 votes

I remember one game I played Karthus mid and got the upgraded trinket. Every time my lane opponent died or roamed, I shoved lane into tower and then deep warded their jungle on the opposite side that the laner roamed to. Part way through the game someone on our team is going "WTF how do we have so many wards?!" I just burst out laughing.

GundayMondayMar 12, 20152 votes

The 250g upgrades are honestly the best items in league of legends right now. Suicide not to buy them.

NoMonkuMar 11, 20151 votes

The only champion that has an "excuse" imo to not upgrade trinkets is ADC. Outside of that all other positions should upgrade their ward, at least once laning phase ends. ADC is the one you want to have the most damage on (usually) so them forgoing upgrading it can possibly allow them to get an item faster, though they should switch from item 3340 to item 3342 once laning phase ends.

IcyPepperMar 11, 20158 votes

I have played adc plenty, and there is a point where there's really no excuse to not upgrade that trinket.

Late-game, 250 gold is pocket money. There is really no excuse.

Hell, you can even buy wards during the laning phase. When I have enough gold on my first back for a bf sword, Ima buy a ward instead of just five health pots.

And if your items are really that expensive, just last hit three extra minions. That's all a ward costs.

JoquanMar 11, 20151 votes

You shouldn't be buying 5 health pots at once.

2-3 is enough after your first back.

Nin10do0014Mar 11, 20152 votes

I think Tombdragon is using 5 Pots as an example of lackluster choices that ADC players buy.

Occams RaiserMar 11, 20159 votes

No one has an excuse. NO ONE! NO OnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnNE!

ThefriendlyorcMar 11, 20153 votes

As a top and jungle main, that shit is priority.

WeFlyNoLieMar 11, 20151 votes

When I play support I don't even get a sightstone anymore, I just upgrade my warding trinket to item 3361 .

I don't find that sightstone is cost efficient and worth taking up an item slot when I can just upgrade my trinket and get essentially the same effect.

KazaashiMar 11, 20151 votes

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When I play support I don't even get a sightstone anymore, I just upgrade my warding trinket to .

I don't find that sightstone is cost efficient and worth taking up an item slot when I can just upgrade my trinket and get essentially the same effect.

Sightstone allows you to place more situational wards than the trinket allows. That way, if your team is in the enemy jungle and pushing a tower, you can remove some un-needed wards in your jungle/base without having to wait for a cooldown. It also allows you to get the sweeper to clear the other supports wards.

WeFlyNoLieMar 11, 20153 votes

Definitely fair points, I understand it isn't the exact same amount of ward coverage that Sightstone allows. I can usually get either my ADC to grab a sweeper or one of my other teammates so we keep that covered.

I guess it really depends on where you want to invest your gold. Sometimes I feel like I need my defensive stats faster (I generally play Braum or Taric) and I want to put my gold towards getting armor or auras for my teammates.

In a perfect world, every teammate should be helping with placing wards/using sweepers. Again, a perfect world.

KazaashiMar 11, 20152 votes

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Definitely fair points, I understand it isn't the exact same amount of ward coverage that Sightstone allows. I can usually get either my ADC to grab a sweeper or one of my other teammates so we keep that covered.

I guess it really depends on where you want to invest your gold. Sometimes I feel like I need my defensive stats faster (I generally play Braum or Taric) and I want to put my gold towards getting armor or auras for my teammates.

In a perfect world, every teammate should be helping with placing wards/using sweepers. Again, a perfect world.

Indeed! I think that is exactly how you should. Adapt your build as the situation warrants. I wish I could give people medals for showing critical thinking skills on the forums.