i notice yordle doesn't have any jungler/assasin. poppy is viable but she isnt that great.
isnt a assassin he is a ninja.
poppy top/support gnar top veigar mid lulu support/top kennan top kled top heim top/mid trish bot adc rumble top teemo top/mid/bot fizz mid amumu junglar/tank zigg mid
Built to Tylt2 votesPretty sure Teemo is assassin.
And Trist JG actually works.
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Pretty sure Teemo is assassin.
And Trist JG actually works.
He isn't a primary assassin. He's a secondary. Even then, he lacks the qualities of normal assassins.
Built to Tylt2 votesHow does he lack the 'qualities' of a 'normal' assassin? His dmg and kit get a boost when he emerges from stealth.
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How does he lack the 'qualities' of a 'normal' assassin? His dmg and kit get a boost when he emerges from stealth.
Assassin classes don't need stealth, they need a gap closer and an escape (or something that can be used for both). they also do burst damage rather than sustained, so they don't stick around trading damage like a bruiser/fighter. and more often than not have single target damage not AoE
Leblanc is an assassin despite being a caster and having no stealth because of her ability to reposition. Kassadin is in the same boat
Even if you gave Teemo a dash he wouldn't be an assassin because he lacks burst damage
Built to Tylt1 votesSo, Teemo's W (speed boost). And the burst nature of his.
So burst AP assassin style mage like 
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So, Teemo's W (speed boost). And the burst nature of his.
So burst AP assassin style mage like
is borderline assassin, he has lots of mobility and escape, but he's more sustain damage than burst
too is slightly too brawly and sustain damagey to be a true assassin
Built to Tylt1 votesI would not even bring Azir up in this discussion.
Enderspider1 votesI'm pretty sure Diana is an assassin.. I mean she can pull off oneshots more easily than most 'actual assassins'
Kaolla1 votesI'm pretty sure Diana is an assassin.. I mean she can pull off oneshots more easily than most 'actual assassins'
Diana disqualified for having no escape, her damage is contingent on sticking to the target and meleeing much like Akali. but Akali can disengage out with the stealth. Diana stays in with shielding and trades till she dies
if Diana had an escape she could be an assassin
Enderspider1 votesbut isn't that what the ult cd reset is for? to jump in, Q W R E aa and then R out on a minion?
Chembaron Yamada1 votesThe requirement for an enemy to aim for disqualifies her R as a reliable escape.
Vi is able to disengage with her Q as well, but she is still not considered an assassin, but a diver. Because that disengage is unreliable, since it can get body blocked by an enemy (cut off her way and she is going nowhere).
Assassins have reliable escapes in their kit.
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So, Teemo's W (speed boost). And the burst nature of his.
So burst AP assassin style mage like
A Movement Speed Steroid is not viable mobility. A dash, leap, blink, or teleport are all viable forms of mobility. That's like saying Draven is an assassin because he deals a lot of damage and is fast. It's like saying Udyr is an assassin. It's like saying Ori is an assassin because she has burst and a lot of movement speed.
Built to Tylt2 votesNo one will convince me Teemo is not an assassin. But his burst is fairly sustained and lasts a decent amount longer than Ori's. I disagree with your outlook and trying to stretch this concept [Assassin] over to Draven and Ori is bizarre.
ZedUsanGovos1 votesTeemo doesn't have any form of escape nor any form of engage. He's literally not an assassin. He's nothing like Shaco, Zed, or Eve. My outlook was adopting your logic of: "If they have speed, it's mobility, and if they have damage as well, they're an assassin". It's the faulty criteria you're using for Teemo's classification.
Built to Tylt1 votesI understand where you might think that, but it's best if you don't assume how others think.
Honestly and please. Don't.
Teemo sits in wait. His entire kit plays off assassin-style surprise, and thus to me, he is an assassin. Usually if he engages, he wins the encounter, like any good Teemo would. Zed's don't go in to poke, they go in to 100-0 in a combo. Teemo can do that - especially if stealthed - but it is tick damage that is nearly impossible to mitigate. Plus invisible shrooms just when you thought you got away.
ZedUsanGovos1 votesI wasn't assuming how anybody things. I was literally reciting the foundations of your argument.
Teemo sits in wait.
This could literally apply to ANY champion.
His entire kit plays off assassin-style surprise, and thus to me, he is an assassin.
That's ridiculous. It's not based on "surprising" the target, it's based on the kit and playstyle.
Usually if he engages, he wins the encounter, like any good Teemo would.
Not necessarily. I've killed Teemos who had caught me off guard.
Zed's don't go in to poke, they go in to 100-0 in a combo.
Yes, because he's melee. If he was ranged, he'd poke from away, and THEN go in. Instead, he uses his combo to poke, and THEN go in.
Teemo can do that - especially if stealthed - but it is tick damage that is nearly impossible to mitigate.
None of the assassins rely on tick dmg like Teemo does, with one exception.
Talon's Bleed is useful for kills early, but all of his kills come from the pure burst mid-game.
The thing with Teemo is that he relies on his tick dmg. Zed doesn't. Talon doesn't. Leblanc doesn't. Kha doesn't. These are all actual assassins/assassin mages/assassin divers.
Plus invisible shrooms just when you thought you got away.
That could apply to anyone. The difference between Zed's ultimate pop and stepping on a Shroom is that the Pop isn't necessary. It just amplifies the damage, and is useful if you managed to deal enough damage to back out. Shrooms provide both defense and offense. If you're running away from a Rengar as Teemo, you pop a Shroom down behind you to escape. if you're hunting a Rengar as Teemo, you pop a Shroom down in a place, and bait him to that area so that he steps on it when he's running away. A Shroom does not add to any classification of an assassin. Shaco works the same way, with the exception being that Shaco also has proper mobility and damage.
Oh no, you're running from a Cait, but O shit there's a trap! ur ded.
Oh no you're running from a Nid but o shit there's a trap! ur ded.
Oh no you're running from a Zoe but o shit there's an E puddle! ur ded.
Having one extra trap as insurance in case you don't get the kill with your initial attack doesn't help classify one as an assassin. If Teemo were to be a real assassin with a kit-lore connection, his kit would be something not too different from Shaco's, with a few changes here and there. His stealth and shrooms would be fine. But his speed steroid would be replaced with a short range grapple. which can launch him over terrain. His Poison could be used in an Auto-Empowerment (think Kass W). His Q could be a skillshot slow which marks enemies. This'd give him both the qualities of an assassin, as well as a higher skill level, because face it. You literally just spam right-click and Q to kill people currently. With this, you'd have to use a variety of abilities to out-maneuver your opponent.
Built to Tylt1 votes"My outlook was adopting your logic of: "If they have speed, it's mobility, and if they have damage as well, they're an assassin". ---You're clearly stating your assumption of my thought-process.
All of your points in attempt to counter mine can just as easily be applied for the opposite of what you're trying to achieve. It's clear you're not willing to think differently on it and I've already stated I view him as an assassin. And given the evidence of his play-style and kit and the statement I've already given about no one being able to change my mind otherwise, I am leaving this at 'agreeing to disagree'.
Kagemyth1 votesFizz isn't a yordle but yeah that would be cool , a yordle assassin the only thing is yordles are thematically a communal race and they actually lose their minds when separated from other yordles for too long (that's why veigar is evil/crazy). and i can imagine as an assassin you spend plenty of time alone. granted they could do something.... OMG I HAVE AN IDEA :D
Pommel Knight1 votesHe is now, they updated his lore.
Kagemyth1 votesi dont understand, it wouldve made more sense for him to be vastayan
Kaolla1 votesAmumu used to be a yordle [sg-janna] why is there no amumu crying emote :P
Also Fizz is pretty much what an assassin yordle would look like. Maybe they should make a Yordle Fizz skin
PhearBunny1 votesVeigar hit me with any ability. I died. I had 3 MR items.
Literally HAS to be an assassin.
Enderspider1 votesveig doesn't have any mobility tho although you could say he can assassinate people
Deunne1 votesIn the lore Teemo was a great assassin(Unless it changed)
Enderspider1 votesteemo and rumble jungle are pretty gud
