Herald's Carapace (Hypothetical Zhonyas replacement)

SkyblazeHydraX3··1 votes·404 views

So if you've been over on the Gameplay area of the boards, you've seen that Zhonyas is quite the topic of discussion. Its active and stats are very powerful, but that active is so powerful that its build path and cost are rendered clunky and frustrating. I've actually seen some comments suggesting its removal if it's so problematic, replacing it with an alternative.

Herald's Carapace item 3191 + item 1026 + 850gp (2900 total) -100 AP -50 Armor ACTIVE: Void Shield: Generates a shield that absorbs up to 300 (+70% AP) damage for 3 seconds. As long as the shield persists, this champion is Silenced. (90 second cooldown)

The idea behind this is quite honestly making a somewhat watered down but still effective version of Zhonyas, which isn't burdened in its cost so massively because of its extremely powerful active. Void Shield gives mages the on-demand protection they seek while still being able to move and react, but at the cost of being unable to cast spells. This means it's not an on-demand "I win the duel" spell but rather a means to survive bad positioning or being focused down. Due to the silence it also wouldn't need to be balanced with particularly synergistic champions in mind, like Swain, Morg, or Fiddlesticks.

Hypothetically this gives enemies a lot more room to play around the active as well, especially in teamfights; do you focus down the target, trying to eat through the shield and returning their ability to cast spells in exchange for the potential to take out a squishy, high-priority target? Or do you change target focus and put your attention on the rest of the enemy while their mage is unable to contribute to the fight? Or perhaps you simply keep them locked down and wait out the shield before dropping everything on them.

Thinking more on this idea I know it's not ideal, but... it's a thought. Don't judge too harshly, if possible?

3 Comments

MrXonte1 votes

why blasting wand instead of needlesly large rot? also the problem with zhonyas isnt that its op its actually pretty weak currently compared to the ad mr counterparts. Just compare it to maw or mercurial scimitar. Your version has the benefit of being able to move which is great and i dont think its a watered down version, just a different one. It is much easier to get, provides better stats and due to the 0.7ap scaling i think it would be much more efficient on most champions. The main problem i see with this is that it will be far too strong on ap champs that have on hit effects. Just imagine teemo with this.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Because NLR is very expensive, which adds to the difficulty in building Zhonyas. Assuming you manage to max out Seeker's Armguard and buy Needlessly Large Rod, the stat increase is ultimately +5 AP and the active. With Blasting Rod the build path is a little less painful, and the stat increase actually feels better.

I gave it an AP scaling so it could scale into lategame, similar to Maw of Malmortius scaling with MR. Perhaps I should lower it, so it's better on champions that build dedicated AP rather than ones who can build just a little and still heavily benefit from it.

Also... yeah, on-hit effects are a bit of a problem. Perhaps I should go for a different effect; I was considering that perhaps it instead "banishes" the champion while the shield is active, preventing them from damaging enemy champions at all while also making them immune to CC.

MrXonte1 votes

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Because NLR is very expensive, which adds to the difficulty in building Zhonyas. Assuming you manage to max out Seeker's Armguard and buy Needlessly Large Rod, the stat increase is ultimately +5 AP and the active. With Blasting Rod the build path is a little less painful, and the stat increase actually feels better.

I gave it an AP scaling so it could scale into lategame, similar to Maw of Malmortius scaling with MR. Perhaps I should lower it, so it's better on champions that build dedicated AP rather than ones who can build just a little and still heavily benefit from it.

Also... yeah, on-hit effects are a bit of a problem. Perhaps I should go for a different effect; I was considering that perhaps it instead "banishes" the champion while the shield is active, preventing them from damaging enemy champions at all while also making them immune to CC.

seems reasonable^^

I thought about the zhonyas problem for a while and one of the major things about zhonyas is that it is a 100% defense only item that even when synergysing with a champs kit still decreases their offensive potential. That is of course partly due to being "silenced" for the duration, but also because you cant move. Any item that has a similar effect, but still allows you to move has great offensive potential too since you block your enemies combo while yours is on cd and close in on him.

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