@RiotKatey/The skin team

Desiderium··9 votes·3,504 views

I look at Thresh mains and Ziggs mains and wonder what goes through their heads. "Gosh, which of my fifty skins do I feel like playing right now?"

Then there's me. Zed main.

It doesn't get any worse than this.

Unless you count the people that say "But there's SK-" NO. No. It's a limited edition 750 skin. It's been out of the store for god knows how long. Zed is the only Season 2 champion that technically has only one skin.

And then there's Zac.

Yorick.

Do you guys ever just wonder what it must be like to be a Thresh main at this time? A new skin for him every 3 months?

Meanwhile, Zed since 2012, one of the most CONSISTENTLY popular champions in this game has next to nothing.

I remember a post by Ironstylus saying that Zed isn't all that difficult or complicated to create a skin for, either.

And if Riot just goes out and tells us the status of a skin for a champion we like, they can potentially lose money because people will be like "oh I'll save up for whatever Zed skin is coming." The fact that we don't know is what helps them get more money from us.

Now Riot, we ALL know you love to play favorites with skins. But if you're going to continue...

Once. Just once I want to be the god damn favorite.

Is that too much to ask for? Well then I'm sorry. But you must remember that jealousy is a perfectly human emotion. And a painful one too.

18 Comments

Riotmoonstones7 votes

Hey Thane Soren!

First off, thanks for taking the time to voice your feelings on the boards.

Unless you count the people that say "But there's SK-" NO. No. It's a limited edition 750 skin. It's been out of the store for god knows how long. Zed is the only Season 2 champion that technically has only one skin.

Yes, technically, Zed's last skin was May of 2014 (SKT T1 Zed). It's legacy, not limited, which means it can, and likely will make periodic returns to the store. That said, I understand the frustration around that skin - it's a World Championship skin, and it's not currently in the store, leaving you with Shockblade Zed.

I look at Thresh mains and Ziggs mains and wonder what goes through their heads. "Gosh, which of my fifty skins do I feel like playing right now?"

Sure, they have multiple skins, but in their defense, Ziggs hasn't had a skin since December of 2012, and SSW Thresh is part of a World Championship skin line, which is decided based on champions the winning team played.

And then there's Zac.

Along with Zyra, these are some of the most difficult champions in the game to work with.

I'm sure you've heard this a million times before, but due to Zac's unique model (stretching with textures, etc), we're presented with some difficulties. However, that's not to say we'll never make a Zac skin again 'cause that's simply not true. It's been a long time since his last skin (since his launch!) and we want to give players an awesome skin that really does this goo guy some justice. (We did something similar with Star Guardian Lux - we wanted to really put out a skin that not only did the champion justice, but really made it worth the wait for a new skin.)

Unfortunately, I can't say what may or may not be in the works for Zac, or any other champion.

I remember a post by Ironstylus saying that Zed isn't all that difficult or complicated to create a skin for, either.

He's not the easiest, but he's not as difficult as the aforementioned champions. That said, there's a lot of cool ideas floating around, and it's easy to say, "just make this skin, or this one." Sure, we could slap various thematics on Zed, but is it really the best option for him? We strive to make the best skins we can, rather than just tossing a new skin on a champion because 'it's been a while'.

In addition, if we have a cool concept for, let's say, Snowdown, we'll hold off on putting the skin out until December when the event happens, since that makes the most sense.

And if Riot just goes out and tells us the status of a skin for a champion we like, they can potentially lose money because people will be like "oh I'll save up for whatever Zed skin is coming." The fact that we don't know is what helps them get more money from us.

We don't announce champions or skins prior to them hitting PBE because a lot of things happen and change behind the scenes. We may have a concept for a skin, and we start working on it and realize it's not working as we thought it would, and we either shelve it to try again later, or start on another idea.

If I said, "hey guys, we're making Star Guardian Zed!" and then a month later I say, "Sorry guys, we won't be making this any longer, but now we're going to make Guardian of the Sands Zed", there's going to be some negative feelings surrounding the decision. Some will be happy that we're not making Star Guardian Zed, and others will be pretty upset that we 'promised' the initial idea.

By holding off until the content is finalized and ready for its debut, it alleviates a lot of the negative feelings that could happen if skin concepts change for a particular champion, or if the concept for a champion changes.

Hopefully this clears up some of the frustrations you have. I know it won't clear up the fact that Zed only has one available skin at the moment, but I can promise you that there will be more Zed skin in the future!

If you have any addition questions or comments, I'd be happy to hear them. :]

Desiderium2 votes

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If you have any addition questions or comments, I'd be happy to hear them. :]

Thanks so much Katey. Most of what you said I'm already aware of but, I guess in the end I just wanted a Rioter to voice my frustration to. I know he's eventually getting a skin, I mean, everybody is. It's watching everybody else get pampered that hurts the most. I do pride myself in being a patient person but what gets me the most is seeing the tons of skins that other specific champions receive - not that I'm blaming you or the skin team for it. Ideas are ideas after all.

I'll do what I've always done and wait some more, but your response has made it a little easier for me and for that I thank you. ♥

At least I'm looking forward to SSW Talon, which in my opinion is the best "low tier" skin in the game. His particles and clothing are so stylish and Assassin's Creed-y. Easily one of my favorite skins in the game, regardless of its price.

Riotmoonstones2 votes

Totally understandable, glad I could at least be a bit of help!

Glad you're a fan of the Talon skin!

Again, if you've got additional questions, please feel free to reach out!

Hellioning4 votes

Take it for somebody that just got the skin I've been waiting for;

'more skins in the future' is the single most useless thing you can say. I don't think anyone thinks that you won't give certain champion skins (though I'm sure the Zac/Yorick mains out there disagree with me) but it's incredibly painful to look on the PBE and see 'oh look this champion that already has 4 skins just got one more'.

Desiderium5 votes

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Take it for somebody that just got the skin I've been waiting for;

'more skins in the future' is the single most useless thing you can say. I don't think anyone thinks that you won't give certain champion skins (though I'm sure the Zac/Yorick mains out there disagree with me) but it's incredibly painful to look on the PBE and see 'oh look this champion that already has 4 skins just got one more'.

I'm not putting any blame on anyone but I completely agree with you. You hit the nail pinpoint on the head.

But like I said in another thread, I don't think that just because a champion has a certain arbitrary amount of skins, that means they shouldn't get any more. If you have a good idea with traction, roll with it. Doesn't matter if they have 5 skins or 50. But cadence is a thing, and so is feeling left out. There are many things to consider.

Thryale2 votes

We don't announce champions or skins prior to them hitting PBE because a lot of things happen and change behind the scenes. We may have a concept for a skin, and we start working on it and realize it's not working as we thought it would, and we either shelve it to try again later, or start on another idea.

Kinda like what happend/is happening with Dragon Master Swain?

Riot said they were working on it 1-2 years ago, but we've yet to hear anything more about it. I get the feeling that either something didn't pan out, or it got set on the back burner due to events like worlds, pre-season, and shurima.

Donal4 votes

He's not the easiest, but he's not as difficult as the aforementioned champions. That said, there's a lot of cool ideas floating around, and it's easy to say, "just make this skin, or this one." Sure, we could slap various thematics on Zed, but is it really the best option for him? We strive to make the best skins we can, rather than just tossing a new skin on a champion because 'it's been a while'.

Blood Moon Zilean. Was that really the best option for him? D:

Desiderium2 votes

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Blood Moon Zilean. Was that really the best option for him? D:

I don't get the hate on Blood Moon Zilean. The disc on his back and his sounds, particles, splash art...hell, everything about him is extremely underrated.

Donal4 votes

It's not that it isn't a good skin, I think it is. It just doesn't make any sense to me, it's like, making a Dragon Slayer Yorick...

Cuix4 votes

Its color choices and shape language feel far more Shuriman than Ionian or Blood Moon, and Blood Moon's lore tie-in has essentially been ditched at this point, making that skin less pleasant to see. Aesthetically it's quite nice, but in context it's not actually great.

Pointy Rock1 votes

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Unfortunately, I can't say what may or may not be in the works for Zac, or any other champion.

In addition, if we have a cool concept for, let's say, Snowdown, we'll hold off on putting the skin out until December when the event happens, since that makes the most sense.

Soooo....Snowman Zac confirmed? :D

kneel on Ice1 votes

Dont forget Lissandra pls :(

Handsome Jhin4 votes

Rubs salt in the wound that champions with a ton of skins are getting a ton close together (did we really need Sweetheart Annie when Annie already have about 5 billion skins?) and champions with very few skins aren't getting any. I think someone did say Zed was being considered for a skin sometime this summer, but I don't know who or where they said it and I'm too lazy to look it up.

If it makes you feel better, some of us are sitting around waiting for a rework that's not coming anytime soon before new skins are even gonna be considered.

Love, Someone who plays Taric a lot on purpose

Desiderium4 votes

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Rubs salt in the wound that champions with a ton of skins are getting a ton close together (did we really need Sweetheart Annie when Annie already have about 5 billion skins?)

About that; I don't really mind if a heavily skinned champion gets another one. I do not personally believe in some arbitrary "limit" to the amount of skins a champion can have. That's no fun for anyone. But when they are prioritized above champions like Zed/Yorick, that's when there's a big, big problem. I guess Yorick doesn't even really count since they don't want him to be popular due to how badly designed he is; they're waiting until they can finish the rework. So what reason do they have to make Zed bite the dust like this?

I just don't get it.

patmax172 votes

I actually like what Riot has been doing with skins in the last year and a half. There are three good reasons to make a skin:

  • make one for a champ that has few skins
  • make one for a champ that hasn't got any skins for a long time
  • make one for a champ that fits particularly well in an upcoming set of skins

There are cases where Riot does something that upsets me, be it making yet another skin for that champ (Ahri, Annie,...), or be it not making a skin for a champ that long deserves it.

I also made a google drive worksheet to keep track of all this information: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/BZE02otF-latest-skin-released-for-each-champ

What I'm saying is, Riot has been doing well in regards to skins, they made skins for champ that badly needed some, so while I too am waiting for a new Zac skin (among others), I have hope that we will get one soon. As was true for the long-announced not-military Lux skin (and it's awesome!)

CosmicWaters2 votes

Riot doesnt ever think that champs like thresh and ziggs are super popular because they have such a huge selection of skins to play with, meanwhile people like Zedd, Ez, Nami and the such have very low amounts of skins which doesnt give players options

Desiderium1 votes

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Jeddy0171 votes

You do realize that 2 of Thresh skins (including the upcoming SSW skin) are legacy skins.Meaning that he only has 3 skins since people don't count legacy skins. Just wanted to point that out.

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