Why aren't there more black champions?

Mister Modesty··4 votes·10,979 views

Karma ,Lucian ,Nidalee (barely), and Thresh (but you wouldn't know it unless you read lore).

I think our champions need more variety. There are more undead champions than there are colored champs. Here's a champion concept I made- it will add some much needed variety to our Champions, and I think he will be fun to play. Check him out if you're interested. Either way- we need variety.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/Bv8I2OVM-skurr-and-his-peg-leg-sidekick

72 Comments

ModAttysu The Poro7 votes

Don't get why people always cry for more racial diversity, if I wanted racial diversity, I'd go to my local Walmart.

In all seriousness, as long as a game is fun to play and I'm interested in the design and characters, why does it matter if their Norwegian, White or Black? O-o

Mister Modesty1 votes

Because blacks exist in the world of Runeterra. There is no explanation I've found that suggests they are a different nationality- Lucian is Demacian, right? So if there are black champions, why are there so few? Is being black in Runterra an anomaly? That just sounds awful to me..

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

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Because blacks exist in the world of Runeterra. There is no explanation I've found that suggests they are a different nationality- Lucian is Demacian, right? So if there are black champions, why are there so few? Is being black in Runterra an anomaly? That just sounds awful to me..

I totally get your mentality, but racial diversity never really seemed to bother me. If there was a game only of Japanese people I still wouldn't care, I'm odd like that I suppose

Mister Modesty2 votes

When I play Dynasty Warriors- I expect an all Asian character base. When I play a game that incorporates an entire globe- I expect diversity.

Tamur6 votes

You forgot Ekko

Mister Modesty1 votes

If Ekko is black, it's less than Nidalee. And Nidalee is barely colored at all. Ekko looks Norwegian.

MrBuffington3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Son of Kolrath,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=PA52pg1f,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-22T20:19:05.374+0000)

Ekko looks Norwegian.

not sure if trolling. He's wearing facepaint, you know

Mister Modesty2 votes

So Riot can only make a black champion if they paint is face white? Ekko isn't black- his hair is straighter than mine, his nose, eyes, nd lip do not fir the cranial structure of a colored person- and he is white. There is some aversive racism afoot- that people can be convinced this whitey is actually black.

MrBuffington4 votes

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Ekko isn't black- his hair is straighter than mine, his nose, eyes, nd lip do not fir the cranial structure of a colored person

So you think black people necessarily have some narrow set of facial features? That sounds racist to me.

Also, you say black people don't have straight hair, yet you pick out Karma and Nidalee, who have perfectly straight hair, as examples of black champions. Yea okay

Mister Modesty1 votes

You need therapy. If blacks and whites didn't have different characteristics- the distinction couldn't be made. This is simple truth.

1011001110006 votes

Having stereotypes of how a race should be portrayed is racist in and of itself, keyboard warrior.

MrBuffington4 votes

...I don't think Karma and Nidalee are black. Also Ekko is black, and I think Taric is as well, and just has very light skin/gems made his skin lighter or something to that effect.

Mister Modesty1 votes

Ekko and Taric are lighter skinned than I am. Calling them black just to account for colored champions is disgraceful. Like white Jesus.

SlackerboyTC2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Son of Kolrath,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=PA52pg1f,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-07-22T20:21:52.304+0000)

Ekko and Taric are lighter skinned than I am. Calling them black just to account for colored champions is disgraceful. Like white Jesus.

You must be pretty dark son, also of course taric is lighter skin than you, HES WHITE!

5G8Nri0B543 votes

Black skinned, fur wearing, spear chucking savage...is not black enough for you? Do you want her to know voodoo as well?

MrBuffington5 votes

obvious troll is obvious

EmittingXs4 votes

what a funny way to lead people into your champion concept +1

either way, not clicking the link, not upvoting, and definitely not seeing how you think Karma is black. She's Ionian. Lucian is Demacian. And Nidalee's is unknown. I've never seen a single line about race in League's lore. Everyone in League is connected to Runeterra, a make believe world that is in no way connected to planet Earth, or the real world. So stop trying to put real life scenarios into a make believe world. League doesn't need our human nonsense.

I agree we do need more variety. But don't forget, some of the strongest champs in the game are "colored" and or female. But Riot's working on it, so chill.

Mister Modesty2 votes

You're seriously trying to swim in ignorance with this statement. Karma is black. Lucian is black. Was Martin Luther King Jr. not black simply because he was American?

EmittingXs4 votes

Did you read my comment all the way? I don't think so cause you seem to have missed a big piece of information:

"Everyone in League is connected to Runeterra, a make believe world that is in no way connected to planet Earth, or the real world. So stop trying to put real life scenarios into a make believe world."

MLK was a real life human being who was born on planet Earth. He is in no way connected to Karma or Lucian so I don't understand why you're picking at the air here.

If you had based your argument on "we need more people of color" instead of "these champs are this color because I have eyes but lack common sense" then I would have supported you 100%. You claim to know these champs and everything they do yet forget that what you're asking for is something people are annoyed of hearing because isn't the right way to go about it. We have people of color, we have people of different genders, hell even different species in this game yet you're the lone sheep whose calling for more "black people". Variety is a great thing but you're making some very rash assumptions. My skin tone is that of Karma's yet I'm not black. But with your reply above you'd probably say that I'm ignorant for that. It also doesn't help that you're trying to lead people into your concept art. I would have had a different reaction if that wasn't there cause now it just reads as "I'm right and everyone else is wrong because of this reason."

You're fighting the wrong battle here.

Mister Modesty1 votes

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EmittingXs7 votes

alright guy, you're done now. you have no idea what you're saying, who you're saying it to, or how to handle an argument. you've resorted to trying to degrade me as a person and that goes to show how immature you are. get off the computer, go outside, and try to differentiate between the real world and a fake world.

Mister Modesty1 votes

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1011001110004 votes

Alright, you're done.

SSmotzer4 votes

There is no Africa on Runeterra. As far as we can tell, there is no where, outside of the desert, who's inhabitants have all been either morphed into animals, moved or died, where there is enough heat and direct sunlight to warrant a dark completion. Sure, there will always be people with varying complexions from different areas, but Runeterra is not Earth, it doesn't share the same environmental extremes as our planet. There simply may no longer be any dark skinned people left on the planet.

Mister Modesty3 votes

Please, no racist remarks- I have zero tolerance for ignorance.

KING ATTILA4 votes

Says the guy crying about how there isn't enough "black" champions

Mister Modesty2 votes

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Says the guy crying about how there isn't enough "black" champions

There are more undead champions than black champions. Explain that.

Raivica1 votes

Pretty sure Riot said something about not making as many human champions because they did it earlier in their development to provide 'familiar' characters to this new game, but now that it's not so new they can "move forward." Something along those lines.

Mister Modesty1 votes

So terms of familiarity are geared towards whites, Asians, and hamsters Teemo ?

1011001110004 votes

No, it's geared towards celestial beings Bard , magical cat fish TahmKench , and alien creatures of everlasting darkness Velkoz

5G8Nri0B549 votes

Says the guy complaining about the aggressively black chanpions as "not black enough"

GreenLore3 votes

I dunno how thresh is black,his lore never mentions his skin color.

Vistha Kai3 votes

You can't even tell a difference between "black" and "tanned" OP. Go outside once in a while.

The Whamboozler2 votes

Spoilers. EVERY male yordle is black. You just can't tell because of the fur. Also... Nocturne .

warpenguin5552 votes

we dont need anymore of anything atm, besides storm dragons

Xaytsr2 votes

I'm more concerned about the lack of sea dwelling and fuzzy champs not to mention yordles ty

Atusette2 votes

I believe with he's trying to say by "black" is referring to being of African descent not black as in of dark skin color. You can be "white" but there are millions of different sub categories but most white people identify as white without worried about the details. Where as you can be black but being of Saharan African descent is very characteristically different than say Aborigine, Aztec (which I believe Karma was based off) or Cuban. Nidalee seems to be very Brazilian or South American. Lucian I would say is of African descent maybe Ekko. Illoai seems to have some mixed culture but seems to be more Samoan or islander. Malzahar I would say is Middle Eastern in design ( think Prince of Persia.)

Stellafreyja1 votes

I wouldn't call Karma black, she seems South Asian, like Indian. But yes, I agree, there needs to be more dark-skinned champions. Every Nidalee skins changes her skin tone and it's super racist.

But, you know the exact reason why there aren't more dark-skinned characters...

Mister Modesty2 votes

The god complex. People create things in their image. The champions are white and Asian- just like Riot employees.

KING ATTILA4 votes

You sound like a race baiting, liberal minded retard racist who brown noses Al Sharpton's ass cheeks. Did your parents raise you to have such an inferiority complex or was that also the liberal media? Get the fuck out of here.

frost shinigami1 votes

Nidalee is not exactly black, her complexion and overall design seems more like native american rather than black. Also ekko has been added and he is most definitely a black champion, riot has pretty much proven that they are not totally against black champions what COULD have been avoided were some black stereotypes shown in their black champion releases, stereotypes like:

  • Lucian's ultimate being, basically a drive-by, also one of his AA animations showing him holding his gun sideways.
  • Ekko being, besically a boy from the hood who hates cops.
  • Nidalee wielding a spear and being called ''the bestial huntress'' that is quite literally half an animal. (?)
  • thresh wielding chains and being lucian's (also black) most feared rival.

I am not claiming riot is racist or anything or that those slightly stereotypical images were intended (cus idk), i just pointed them out, i could be wrong though, it could be a coincidence (doubt it but idk).

Mister Modesty1 votes

Ekk isn't black! He's a white kid with a modern day "ghetto" disposition. Just because he nods his head like "sup?" doesn't mean he's black. All of his facial characteristics are scientifically European.

frost shinigami1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Son of Kolrath,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=PA52pg1f,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-07-22T20:43:00.982+0000)

Ekk isn't black! He's a white kid with a modern day "ghetto" disposition. Just because he nods his head like "sup?" doesn't mean he's black. All of his facial characteristics are scientifically European.

he most definitely is black, he merely has some face paint plastered all over his face and has white hair, his complexion is really dark and his facial characteristics accord to those of african american people (probs) also, ekko looks pretty black in the cinematic. Even if his facial characteristics accord to those of european people i am pretty sure ekko was intended to be black, it is just that riot did not spend time researching the proper facial characteristics to design thinking it would not make much of a difference (which it did not). Even if every single one of his facial characteristics do not match those of black people he most definitely was intended to be black by riot which is the only thing that matters since this threat is about RIOT'S lack of black, it's the thought that matters!

P.S. -> read the comic sequence too, he seems black there.

Mister Modesty1 votes

It doesn't matter what the story says- it doesn't matter his lore- you might even know the truth of the matter- fact is, they made him white.

frost shinigami2 votes

I made no refference to his lore, all i am saying is ekko most definitely was intended by riot to be black. wether they took time to design the proper facial characteristics or not does not matter. the thread is about riot not designing black champions, they did, or at least that was their intention, and that is the only thing that matters, it would be unfair not to add ekko on the black champion list.

Mister Modesty1 votes

Black and white is ONLY different by appearance. Any other notion is racist. Saying he has a black persona with white features is racism. They made a white champ because he looks white. Distinguishing color on any premise other than physicality is racism. Thus, Ekko is white because he looks white- Riot is racist for saying they made a black champion but casting him in the image of a white man.

frost shinigami2 votes

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Black and white is ONLY different by appearance. Any other notion is racist. Saying he has a black persona with white features is racism. They made a white champ because he looks white. Distinguishing color on any premise other than physicality is racism. Thus, Ekko is white because he looks white- Riot is racist for saying they made a black champion but casting him in the image of a white man.

nowhere did i say ekko has a black persona. i specifically said that ekko;s complexion is black. I just said that having a little different facial characteristics then irl black people does not mean that he was not intended to be black by riot. i clearly said ekko looks black and was intended to look black despite having slightly different facial characteristics. Also '' Any other notion is racist.'' you can't just rule any opinion different as yours as a ''racist'' opinion. let's stop this though, it won't get us anywhere.

Mister Modesty1 votes

So I looked up more pictures of Ekko. He does seem intended to be a black champion- but I still maintain he looks very white to me the way Riot designed him. So, I concede, Ekko is black. But only because of "illegitimate" artwork surrounding him. Riot made his complexion too light, and his features European. Here's a side-by-side so I'm not looking like a madman.

White Ekko: (as shown by Riot)

Mister Modesty1 votes

Ekko's skin- also white (as shown by Riot)

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