When I look at my profile I can see that I have an "honor level" ( I don't know the correct term). But I can't find anything that shows progress to the next level. Can someone explain to me how I can find it, or how leveling up the honor system works please?
Cavesloth36 votesThey don't have a progress bar. Why beats the hell outta me.
Mister Modesty32 votesI don't think Riot would cheat us out of Honor Levels, but without a clear progress bar it just feels like we're being given the "run around". Personally, it took like 2 honors for me to reach Level 2. I've been receiving honors, and bonus team honor all day and I'm stuck at Level 2. A lot of people are already skeptical of the new honor system.. I think hiding the progress is kind of neglectful on Riot's part.
Critmaster Garen11 votes[{quoted}](name=Mister Modesty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHvkWGE6,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-07-01T03:40:05.520+0000)
I don't think Riot would cheat us out of Honor Levels, but without a clear progress bar it just feels like we're being given the "run around". Personally, it took like 2 honors for me to reach Level 2. I've been receiving honors, and bonus team honor all day and I'm stuck at Level 2. A lot of people are already skeptical of the new honor system.. I think hiding the progress is kind of neglectful on Riot's part.
everyone starts out at lvl 2 if i understand correctly.
you only get to lvl 1 if you dropped because youve been a dick.
DauKho6 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHvkWGE6,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-07-01T03:47:35.834+0000)
everyone starts out at lvl 2 if i understand correctly.
you only get to lvl 1 if you dropped because youve been a dick.
I beg to differ, with riots stupid new system, if youre bad and youre stuck in a 4 man premade and they all report you for 'negative attitude' , whether false report or not insta ban=insta honor drop
reportmepls1231 votestrue af what u said here
DauKho5 votestrue af what u said here
I just got chat banned by a four man premade actually... the worst thing i said to them, when they had been trolling me since champ select was 'ive been nothing but polite and convenient and youre acting like a holes towards me.. The system is BS at its finest Whats worse is im willing to bet anything, the 3 that were verbally harrassing me and im willing to bet not one got banned
HeineKayn5 votesU can't say ur stuck if the system poped up 1 day ago, it's legit to need more time
Mister Modesty13 votesYou really want to argue word semantics?
Jeez.
All I mean to say is that I'm not seeing any progress. Apparently you start at level 2 Honor, which I just learned. But I've received at least 20 honors and 5 Team bonus honors.
I'm not seeing anything out of it.
It isn't rewarding.
Actuosity12 votesBeing an honourable league player isn't meant to provide any type of quick or easy immediate reward / satisfaction. Its a system in place for those who play honourably to passively be rewarded for playing. Its not a system of "max as quickly as possible" or anything else most people are use to. Its simply like an invisible buyers choice stamp card. Example, at my local pet store I get a free bag of cat litter every so many number of bags, the number changes with the fluctuation opf the price but I still get the reward for being a long term reliable customer. Think of honour in the same way. You play honourably in the long run you'll reap the rewards. If you are not in the honour game for the long run... well to be honest the system wasn't designed for those types of folks.
Hope this clears things up and makes you feel a bit better about no immediate gratification for what we use to call in my day "common courtesy."
Mister Modesty17 votesI agree that honor rewards shouldn't be quick and easy. But if it's going to take 500 honors to reach Level 3, I still want an objective system showing me my progress.
Your example of cat litter is flawed. You say that the number of bags changes depending on the price. That means the determining factor is how much money you spend, not the number of bags you buy: making it an objective measurement. You're strawmanning your own argument, friend.
Werdx9 votesNon trackable honor is big turnoff.
My point is : What can someone who do 4-5 games a day expect?
Honor is literally made for no lifers.I do 20 games a day,my friend do 2 games a day.By 20 games i mean couple ranked,couple non ranked,and if its going horrible i do couple vs bots,to boost my ego :)
I know people who do 2-5 games a day.Judging by this honor system,it would take them one year to get level 3.
Yue Zhong Mian2 votesWell, Hi there I´m actually level 15 with around 50 or so played games and I have Honor level 4 so I think that´s not the case ;)
ChickenNugger1981 voteswell im level 32 and have played many games and get at least one honour from the players every game with an average of 2 as i play with three people but mojarity of games i play i get honored however im only level 2 rank 1 and i get rank 1 by leaving a game i closed down my lol client accidently nd when i loaded back up the game i got the message saying honour level 2 rank 1 achieved so i think the honor system is ab it broken or depened on who you play or somryhing
Azzarazza1 votesI'm level 61, same thing.
I just made this account the beginning of december and literally have had no progress, I play maybe 7 games a day. I think its broken and I'd like Riot to fix this so I can play on PBE and get honor rewards.
Rhathvin2 votessorry my friend, but i call BS on that. I get a notice every day thanking me for being honorable and I am still level 2
Rhathvin1 votesNo getting immediate gratification is not the issue. The issue is being able to see progress. A free bag of cat litter is not a good comparison. While I understand you are saying (in short) that you are going to get something at some point for doing what you should be doing anyway, that is not the way any decent reward system works.
It is a no brainer to show progress. The entire system is not meant to reward people who are already honorable, but to insentivize people who struggle with the issue, thus making the gaming experience better for all. No one is trying to max it out. They are trying to see if all of their efforts are actually leading to something.
Show a progress bar. It just isn't that hard and showing progress makes people want to do better.
Bodhizapha2 votes[{quoted}](name=Mister Modesty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHvkWGE6,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-01T23:36:12.284+0000)
You really want to argue word semantics?
Jeez.
All I mean to say is that I'm not seeing any progress. Apparently you start at level 2 Honor, which I just learned. But I've received at least 20 honors and 5 Team bonus honors.
I'm not seeing anything out of it.
It isn't rewarding.
Just give it time....i played for a year and never got a boarder with the old system. I know you feel cheated, but so what you played 20 games big deal. Play a couple hundred then cry about not getting lvled up. It will be rewarding when one day you log in and lvl up. The other day I logged in and it said here is a bonus for being a team player keep it up I was given 2 key fragments. Thats cool I did not expect it and i was happy. Just play the game and it will happen. Just being a nice guy to your team is not rewarding enough?
Werdx6 votesProblem is with this system,no one know's when they are going to get rewarded.That is big turnoff for players.
And even then,if you play less than 5-6 games a day,you can forget about honor system.Because its going to take you 5 months to get to level 3.
I see honor system going in favor of no lifers and those who play lol for money.
Vigoureux3 votesThis would tilt me the most.
First, you get no visible progress Then, you get useless key fragments. I have WAY more keys than champions available for chests (and I have at least half the champs).
ChickenNugger1982 voteslol i have a completely diffrent problem i have loads of chests about 12 and no keys only 2 fragments
Werdx2 votes[{quoted}](name=Mister Modesty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHvkWGE6,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-07-01T03:40:05.520+0000)
I don't think Riot would cheat us out of Honor Levels, but without a clear progress bar it just feels like we're being given the "run around". Personally, it took like 2 honors for me to reach Level 2. I've been receiving honors, and bonus team honor all day and I'm stuck at Level 2. A lot of people are already skeptical of the new honor system.. I think hiding the progress is kind of neglectful on Riot's part.
Since honor was released,i played over 50 games.Every single game,literally every single game,my friend honored me.Sometimes i got 2 or 3 honor from other players.That's at least 70 honor points and i am still at level 2.
Honor system is a lie,nothing more.
LiteUpSketchers7 votesSince honor was released,i played over 50 games.Every single game,literally every single game,my friend honored me.Sometimes i got 2 or 3 honor from other players.That's at least 70 honor points and i am still at level 2.
Honor system is a lie,nothing more.
I know this is three days after you've posted this, but I've happened upon this thread somehow.
Just want to let you know that premade honor means nearly nothing to the honor system, as to prevent friends just creating big honor parties.
Werdx3 votesWell that sux.What about those people who play nothing but premades?
Kr1sys12 votesIt uses the same formula as the old honor system
MAGIC
Mister Modesty16 votesSo my Honor Progress is displayed on Ryze's secret scroll.. The bastard!!
MrSneyupur10 votesThat's why he won't let anyone have it!
Mister Modesty10 votes
Hands off the runes!
Soul Reåper10 voteswell i had the same question, but then i realized what riot aim is... they didnt implement a progress bar for various reasons, but the most import thing of it all is to reduce the Saltiness in the game... think of it this way, knowing how much honor u still need to get to the next level or max the 5th level will put you on a mind track that after u get to this point u can be salty again... but, not knowing how much progress u had done and when u gonna level up, your going to keep that temper of yours controlled so your honor wont drop... another point of it is, that with a progress bar players will abuse the system level up harvest the rewards drop back again then level up again to harvest the rewards over and over again... i kinda agree with riot on this, no progress bar has reduced saltiness in the game a BIG TIME, now players are more nice and understanding even if u feed ur lane and u tilt they tell you its okay we all have bad games and stuff, this is amazing... Riot please do not implement a progress bar i beg you, keep it this way, let players guess and be excited to when they will get up a level, so they stay cool and calm as long as possible.[slayer-jinx-catface]
Mister Modesty6 votesI disagree. Not having a progress bar shows potential favoritism.
How do I know that the number of honors I get to reach a certain level is the same as the number of honors you get?
Without a progress bar, Riot can get away with rewarding their favorites. I'm not saying they would- but not having the progress shown is more problematic than solution oriented.
It does not encourage people to troll less. In fact, people competing for honors has made my games much more hostile. I had a game early yesterday morning where two people began insulting each other because both wanted to give different orders to the team (probably trying to compete for the Shotcaller).
Of course that's one game. However my games in general have been less enjoyable.
Not to mention players generally feel like they deserve to be honored in this new system. And you can't blame them when the game ends and a non-deserving player has that symbol by their name showing that they got at least 3.
Romith2 votes[{quoted}](name=Mister Modesty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHvkWGE6,comment-id=00060002,timestamp=2017-07-01T23:32:37.525+0000)
I disagree. Not having a progress bar shows potential favoritism.
How do I know that the number of honors I get to reach a certain level is the same as the number of honors you get?
Without a progress bar, Riot can get away with rewarding their favorites. I'm not saying they would- but not having the progress shown is more problematic than solution oriented.
It does not encourage people to troll less. In fact, people competing for honors has made my games much more hostile. I had a game early yesterday morning where two people began insulting each other because both wanted to give different orders to the team (probably trying to compete for the Shotcaller).
Of course that's one game. However my games in general have been less enjoyable.
Not to mention players generally feel like they deserve to be honored in this new system. And you can't blame them when the game ends and a non-deserving player has that symbol by their name showing that they got at least 3.
I agree with this, Riot does a lot of stuff to favor people, and they will never admit it. Their report system is completely broken also, and they lie about how it works. Because no matter what, even if you don't say a single thing in game, and you try your best and 1 person reports you, say 4 out of 10 games, you get a chat ban no matter what.
I tested this out with a friend on an alternate account, and not a SINGLE word was said, and he reported the account each game, and it got a chat restriction, and the log showed GAME 1: and it was blank... pretty broken if you ask me.
Loryen3 votesWell it isnt working....getting honored only gives me keys...which i already had, i have hundres of forged keys i want chests, this system is shit
TomaszekPaluszek7 votesIt's just a classic Riot
MrSneyupur5 votesRito* Just fixing your spelling.
Redflavour1 votesMister Modesty6 votesWhen criticizing Riot, we call them Rito. It's a community thing. [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]
I love bdd7 votesI don't think you can as of right now. We shall see though.
SzGamer2276 votesHonor level is the correct term used by Riot on all the info pages and videos, so don't worry about sounding silly... XD
Cryzox6 votesI finally got lvl 3...I've been spamming games wih thresh trying my whole best non stop to make the ame easier for my teammates,but I got lots of honors tho
Pirolance XD3 votesI would like to see a proof because i've also being spamming everyday and i'm still lvl 2
DoktorKaiser4 votesI think they said something like "we dont want honor levels to become a grind, rather we want it to feel like a reward for being a good teammate, just dont be an asshole and you will climb"
Mister Modesty4 votes"Everyone on your team honored a teammate! You got a little extra Honor progress this game."
That is a post-game message. But how do I know I got extra Honor? I can't even tell how much Honor progress I have to begin with. The message falls on deaf ears.
Also, do you see the faulty logic in your quote? Not wanting honor levels to become a grind is a paradox of an idea. The player has no control over their Honor progress. Honor from friends doesn't count toward the progress, and so all Honor depends on the generosity of others. This means- in order to "grind" Honor progress, one would have to rely upon factors beyond his/her control.Because a player has NO control over their Honor, the term "grinding" is a paradox.
DoktorKaiser4 votesWhat they meant is that they want to surprise you for good behaviour, its a psychological thingy, if you get surprised positively it has much greater effect than seeing the honor bar fill up every day untill it eventually leads to level up. They are also doing it now with key fragments and honor capsules, they no longer drop in post game lobby but rather drop randomly during the day.
And its true you know, this might not be the best example but I used to be kind of semi-toxic, more like trash talking rather than actual flame but still enough to get me a 10 game chat ban and I knew that I have to wait 3 months for my punishment level to go down, so I waited 3 months and first day after that I started being toxic again and soon got banned again.
As far as honor is concerned, you get points of course by getting honored by random people, you can get honored by your premades but it will only be effective like 5 times per person and after that it wont count to prevent honor farming in groups, but even if you got 0 honors yet everyone in your team honored someone, you all get some honor points, not much but enough to keep going on to the next level. As for the fact that you have to get honored by complete strangers in order to go up in levels, well thats the point, be very friendly, help the teammates who have problems, try a bit of shotcalling and you will get them no worries.
Imo this is a great system because it really separates people like me who were just semi-toxic because I really had no reason not to be and I hate losing AND kind of people who will keep flaming and trolling no matter how many rewards you offer them to stop. So far toxicity dropped at least 75% in my games, I wonder how long it will keep going.
Mister Modesty4 votes"Psychology thingy"? Lol.
Psychologically speaking, it's called an incentive. Another way of saying it is "reinforcement". Psychologically speaking, "reinforcement" is best applied when the person can see the rewards/punishment of their behavior.
Simply being honored is not rewarding, the outcome of honor is the reward.
If we can't see the outcome, the reinforcement is ineffective.
Seeing the progress is effective reinforcement because it encourages players that their good behavior is, in fact, being rewarded.
If Riot isn't showing us our progress, then we are not being reinforced to believe our good behavior is rewarded.
Psychologically speaking, showing progress is a more effective means to reward good behavior. If people are getting honored every game, 15 games a day, 5 days a week, and they're still at Honor 2 with no clue how much honor they need for 3 then they'll deviate from the system.
It's like having a job where they withhold your paycheck, but insist that your many hours will get you paid.
G9DK3 votesYou are spot on and here is my thoughts:
I have a job, and work hard .
scenery 1:
suddenly your boss tells you, that you got promoted. I did not know WHY and WHEN, it just happen. You assume you did a good job, but have no clue Why you got this raise/promotion, NOR how to advance further. Maybe there is another promotion in the future, but is it next year, next decade or how far is it ahead?
Scenery 2: Your boss teells you that your progress in your job is GOOD, and if you can do so for a few more weeks, youll get promoted and a raise! Its a carrot, and you keep on working hard, maybe even more focused on WHAT and WHY your boss is pleased, and will work toward your goal. You strive to do a even better job and can see the progress OR downfall of your work related actions!
Scene 1: is nice, but have ZERO motivation Scene 2: gives SAME reward, but you know how, when and WHY you get your promo!
Mister Modesty2 votesExactly- and to use paychecks as an example again: It is more rewarding to be paid in appropriate measures in a scheduled, coherent fashion than it is to be paid sporadically.
Also- sporadic reward is harder to manage, and therefore harder to determine fairness.
If you get paid after 2 days, then after 2 weeks, then after 5 days, then after a month- how do you even know you're being properly compensated? Of course, examples are just heuristics and the Honor system isn't a scheduled reward system- but it does go to show that success is best achieved through objective progress.
It actually reminds me of what is called SMART thinking, a process to ensure successful thought behavior. I forget what the acronym stands for entirely- but the T stands for timely and the M stands for measurable.
0nlY Vl4DimiR3 votessame. I suriously want to know. also I have a question. can't u just honor each other like friends? u can ask ur friends to honor them ahead of time. Not trying to be cheating but ppl can also ask others to "honor trade" before game starts. NEW META xD. and I really want to see other pals progress too. I mean if its a personal thing sure but ya know.. ppl wanna know the respectful ones...
Mister Modesty3 votesNo. Like the old honor system, receiving Honor from the same player multiple times doesn't accumulate. You will see that you received honor, however it doesn't actually count for anything.
Frommo3 votesI think it is because honor is not meant to be an obvious progress bar, it is meant to be something that determines how honorable of a player you are, so it is probably more complicated than filling a progress bar.
Edit 1 - It has also just come out so they may still be implementing it into the client. Just keep being friendly.
Mister Modesty2 votesBut that just goes against everything we understand about "levels" in every other situation. Levels indicates progress, even outside of video games. If they don't want progress to be obvious, why implement a "level system".
LegendaryLemur2 voteswith gold stars and girl scout badges obvs