Why the fuck did you do this to Aatrox?
Why the fuck did you make this cool champion into another weeb version of riven? A champion that would beat your ass with auto attacks is now jumping around waving a sword around with a cringe ass voice.
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Skorch30 votesCan someone explain to me why flailing a sword back and forth over and over again considered cooler and less weeby than actual different styles of attacks
Call him Riven, and make fun of his voice sure but uh... I fail to see HOW he swings his sword now as a bad thing.
cPXt3JHpf44 votesITS LEGIT RIVEN 2.0. This shit is nothing that Aatrox was originally like
FurriesAreHot13 votesyou: makes claim skorch: counters that claim you: repeats claim
see the problem here?
IcyPepper8 votesThis shit is nothing that Aatrox was originally like
I mean, isn't that the point of this rework?
The Taco Kat2 votesNow, I don't see Riven 2.0, but I must admit I'm pretty unhappy with the outcome of the rework. I'm no Mastery 7 Aatrox main or anything, but I recently found him to be pretty fun. I've been playing/practicing him a little in normals and found some decent success, and it was an enjoyable experience. I've loved his VO since I first heard it, and it's honestly painful to see it go.
Riot has said in the past that they want to maintain the identity of the champion while refreshing them and modernizing them in the game. I honestly don't think this is modernizing; this is a complete overhaul with a new identity. Riot has continually been taking champions to the chopping block and putting their names elsewhere.
Does this mean that I dislike the outcomes of these reworks? Not at all; Sion is one of the few tanks/tanky champions that I enjoy playing, I liked the outcome of the Poppy rework because it felt like her playstyle still (for the most part), and Galio had some really impressive changes (though this is where it started to trend downhill) that made his name come up in pro play without it being a joke. Does this mean that I may still wind up liking the new Aatrox? Sure, but it's still at the cost of something else that I actually found very enjoyable.
It's really a shame, because Aatrox was one of the few champions I still play in normals. I've been playing ARAM a ton recently after getting out of the game, and I guess I'm gonna be sticking to that for a while.
Drakath20021 votesThis shit is nothing that Aatrox was originally like
....... but he has a knockup (two actually) on his Q (that are much more reliable to land), the bloodwell passive on his ult and Life steal passively on his E...... how is that not like the original?
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You Disgust Me2 votesOn the contrary, I feel it might be a better version of what Aatrox currently is.
Current Aatrox has the following problems:
- Due to the removal of the bonus AD scaling, he more than likely NEEDS to max W first to have a decent laning phase and sustain while reliably generating Blood Well. But it's kind of a gimmicky ability due to its conflicted purpose: either heal or deal extra damage for trades and generate 20% Bloodwell. He also may take more damage from the enemy laner than the actual heal just by attempting to gain stacks to proc the effect. (This to me feels really bad...)
- His E is a decent harass tool, but has a long cooldown, the hitbox is weird, and slow strength is weak compared to other skills of the same type. If he wants to have a decent laning phase, he will have to sacrifice the sustain from his W and max this skill first.
- His sticking potential kinda sucks due to his E and Q being somewhat unreliable.
- His Q hitbox is awkward and causes his engages with it to be clunky and predictable.
- Due to the previous two points, he tends to get kited hard and lacks reliable self peel.
- His full damage output is completely reliant on filling up his Blood Well to receive the Hellbent bonus, which pretty much causes the rest of his kit to be subpar without it, especially when he revives.
- He has pretty strong AD scalings to be a burst AD caster, but is gated into building attack speed and tank items to maximize survive-ability and damage in fights. This makes his gameplay quite stale and linear.
- Due to his item requirements, he becomes dominant mid game, but becomes quite squishy compared to other bruisers late game.
- Due to the 30% max health revive restriction on Blood Well, popping his passive in a teamfight pretty much guarantees that he is going to die shortly after reviving. Also, the attack speed bonus from Massacre does not pause while in passive stasis.
New Aatrox:
- His new Q is a mixture between his old Q and his old E. It provides stronger, consistent waveclear while harassing opponents and provides more consistent and harder CC.
- His new W pretty much his old E's skillshot hitbox that slows and (if it lands) guarantees you'll land your Q combo on immobile targets while adding a lot more sticking potential. It also aids in solving two of his greater weaknesses of being kited by enemies and not having self peel.
- His new E is literally a combination of his old Q's mobility along with the passive toggle effects of his old W. His E has two dash charges that temporarily increase his AD by 15-55 (which affects all his abilities and his auto attacks) and passively heal off 15-20% of all sources of physical damage. It also allows you to reposition your Q so you have a greater chance to land the amplified damage and CC while playing mindgames with your opponent.
- His new Passive is a more reliable, useful dueling tool, tank shredder, and squishy killer.
- His new R has grants him a more reliable revive (that allows him to move while in stasis) that is reduceable by CDR while giving him 30 extra AD.
- The rework basically changed him from an auto attack dps champion to a spell burst champion, which makes more sense in thematic context. Aatrox is the Darkin that embodies War and wields a great sword. His attacks are supposed to be powerful and cleave multiple foes, not just one target 10+ times.
- The changes also allow him to diversify his build more rather than focusing on attack speed.
His new rework basically takes all of old Aatrox and increases the quality of life significantly while fulfilling more of the design thematic.
You also claim that this champion is Riven 2.0. However, this is a half truth based on the 3 casts on his Q. Their Q's may be similar in appearance, but their playstyle and uses are quite different.
Aatrox's new Q is not a mobility tool/juking tool/gapcloser like Riven's. He needs to use his E to be able to move while casting, otherwise he is stationary. Plus, he needs to micro manage his distance between himself and his targets to maximize damage on his Q, unlike Riven. Also, as far as I know, it is not an attack reset or animation cancelable, so he can't weave auto-attacks quickly in-between. Additionally, Aatrox's new Q is his primary source of damage and does not immediately reset his passive like Riven's for an enhanced auto attack. His passive has a 25 second static cooldown that is lowered by 2 seconds every time he casts a spell or lands his Q on enemy champions. Moreover, his animation speed and cooldown in-between casts are significantly longer. I feel that his fights are more focused toward dealing consistent damage over an extended period rather than short skirmishes of burst damage like Riven.
Bob the Toastr1 votesIt's primarily the voice, not the playstyle
Flemman4 votesthe problem I think come more from turning a fighter champ into a pure juggernaut.
Poeple who play Aatrox atm play him because of that ability to AA a lot during a trade (lot of as steroid, can like all fighter go several buildpath depending on the game) This rework, and they kinda admit it with the sentence " Aatrox brings more ruin with the blade than basic attacks—focus on cooldown reduction to unleash a constant onslaught. ", is meant to turn him into a juggernaut who is not really interested in auto attacking the enemy.
He will be a caster juggernaut, that's a complete 180 ° of what he actually is (that's not something with a lot of buildpath option either) and I can see a world where the majority of actual aatrox player just dump the champ. (remember that this rework is basically jugernaut riven, and aatrox player had the option of fighter riven from a long time now, if they didn't pick her it's a sign they like the aa style more)
Actually, the rework is kinda similar to the galio one, maybe it feel/be good for poeple who didn't play the champ, but hardcore fan of actual design will not find their champion in this new version
Skorch2 votesthe problem I think come more from turning a fighter champ into a pure juggernaut.
Poeple who play Aatrox atm play him because of that ability to AA a lot during a trade (lot of as steroid, can like all fighter go several buildpath depending on the game) This rework, and they kinda admit it with the sentence " Aatrox brings more ruin with the blade than basic attacks—focus on cooldown reduction to unleash a constant onslaught. ", is meant to turn him into a juggernaut who is not really interested in auto attacking the enemy.
He will be a caster juggernaut, that's a complete 180 ° of what he actually is (that's not something with a lot of buildpath option either) and I can see a world where the majority of actual aatrox player just dump the champ. (remember that this rework is basically jugernaut riven, and aatrox player had the option of fighter riven from a long time now, if they didn't pick her it's a sign they like the aa style more)
Actually, the rework is kinda similar to the galio one, maybe it feel/be good for poeple who didn't play the champ, but hardcore fan of actual design will not find their champion in this new version
Again, I dont have a problem with people judging Aatrox. I am talking specifically on the vocabulary OP used.
mack91129 votesHis new kit looks awesome man
cPXt3JHpf45 votesNo its shit cause we already have a champion like this.
Wínters Dawn2 votesQQ more, maybe they wont release the rework. Oh wait, ya they will. Get over it man, more important things to rage about.
TheDevice7 votesNo its shit cause we already have a champion like this.
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A champion that would beat your ass with auto attacks
Sorry to break it to you... Aatrox' "beat your ass with auto attacks" style was not original. We have plenty of champions like that.
nachocheeseeeee1 votes&
Sorry to break it to you... Aatrox' "beat your ass with auto attacks" style was not original. We have plenty of champions like that.
Riot has been doing this change a lot to the melee fighter class. Less auto attack and more reliant on abilities to express skill expression. I mean compare old Fiora, Irelia, Aatrox and Warwick to their new rework. Some of them can still build some attack speed, but cdr is almost a must in all of them now.
JusticePauldrons6 votesyeah because we don't have any champions that right click and auto right?
Or champions that do that and resurrect themselves?
IainG102 votesWe already had a champ like the old one: AP Jax and his ridiculous healing autos. Sure his leap doesn't knock up, and he doesn't have a mid-range skill shot slow, but he's basically another auto-bot with heals that becomes virtually unkillable in ult....
Cenutrio 5 rabos7 votesDefinitely, a champ that lacks any kind of utility and his kit is based on aa 24/7 is much funnier. Tbh Aatrox looks like one of the coolest reworks they've done this year, I wish they reworked the champs I used to play like this.
The Goodest Boy7 votesI was hyped for new aatrox for a solid 20 minutes after the reveal came out. then I watched the ability reveal. I was like "okay... Q is cool. W is interesting. E seems sloppily thrown in there at the last minute but at least he has a bit of mobility I guess." Then I saw his skins and the hype built even more.
Then I listened to his voice lines...... and boom. It was gone. Just like that. His voice work is the most ill-informed, hastily put together, obnoxious to listen to, least similar to the source material trash fire I've ever heard.
Galio's new voice lines are nothing like his original. At all. But at least ON THEIR OWN, they are actually decent and vaguely endearing. You can see that the brashness and child-like nature of his character hides a sad and somber soul.
Aatrox is just screaming to scream at people. And he doesn't even do that well. Every other voice line has some kind of meme or joke shoehorned into it. And the random switch to what sounds like a bad imitation of a german accent makes it.... SO much cringier. I can't even listen to it it hurts my ears.
It's just like... we waited so long. what happened?!?!?!!?!?
Power Cosmic5 votesIt was for excitement to make money. And as you can see the boards and social media are now active about it, and that was the goal, because the change was surely not needed.
JusticePauldrons4 votesHis rework is fantastic, as someone who had a horrible time M7'ing this asshole I am glad he is getting changed. He was literally useless without tiamat and guinsoos before.
Geneseid4 votesI just prefer his old voice. That calm, yet intimidating demeanor he gave off was always bad ass to me.
Maiev3 votesMy issue now is that he's 90% skinny legs. & I liked his old voice more.
Slyzer1 votesI begun the game in 2k16, this dude became my first main, first M7 etc... I really love the design the idea to have the wings only with ur ult is cool and the sword is cool too but, his name is aatrox i'm not sure but i think it means AUTO ATTACK ROX and when i saw him on pbe i just saw a guys who do spell like riven, miserable dash and some other things like that, where is the rox of auto? I loved to play my aatrox with my attack speed and some tankyness to survive tho but if this dude just do spells and don't need to rox auto, better rename it, no more Aatrox.... so i'm a lil bit disappointed but i did not played the champ yet so i'll wait bur for now i'm disappointed
HeazonZ1 votesWhy is this in concepts & creations..
Silvarspark1 votesWhy is this in the "concepts and creations" subforum ?
Caretaker Jack1 votesI love the new aatrox... His new voice/ personality is what i'm not so sure about.
The vengeance and havoc is fine, but I always saw him as the dark or, I guess, more serious character... At minimum, I never saw him as a Russian.
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