Azir's Q & E With No Sand Soldiers

Elite4Runner··1 votes·400 views

Something that I have always found really awkward about Azir is that he absolutely has to have a sand soldier within range to get any use of his Q or E. I absolutely understand the logic behind this, those abilities actually use the positioning of the soldier in order to work. However, with no soldier on the field he has only two abilities, W and R (and placing a tower from his passive). In order to use Q or E, he has to place a soldier with W, and in many cases that telegraphs his intention to use one, or both of his other abilities. That also adds to the inherent cost to use those abilities, which is something else that sort of annoys me, but I will try to not get into that.

What if Azir's Q and E had different actives, or at least a passive, that is only available while no sand soldiers are within range?

I would honestly be satisfied with passives. Maybe make his Q an offensive passive and his E a defensive passive. I just want to give two examples that I am completely making up on the spot and I would really be interested in hearing other ideas.

For his Q passive, his auto attacks deal bonus magic damage that scales on his AP (or maybe some other stat to avoid giving too much of a buff to his current state. I always appreciate when abilities encourage different playstyles and/or build paths)

For his E passive, he gains increased resistances or a shield that has some sort of recharge mechanic. Maybe something like a shield that stacks based on how much mana he has consumed.

These would also make it possible to place a rank in something other than W at level 1

Remember that these effects ONLY work when there are no Sand Soldiers in range.

Again, these are not too thoroughly thought out ideas, but just something to throw out there.

Decent idea? Anyone have any better ideas for abilities that could go here?


Edit:

Okay, I have already received some nay-sayers who don't understand why this bothers me so much. I will try and expound on my point with a scenario illustrating why I feel his current kit is ridiculous.

Let say you are level 10 (I'm not going to bring base stats, items, runes, masteries, buffs, gold, team comp, enemy comp, .. anything else into this, just his level and abilities by rank/level.)

You have invested 1 rank in W (because you have to at level 1) and 1 rank in your ultimate, (because you pretty much do with every champion at level 6). You have 6 other ranks divided among your Q and your E in any available order, it doesn't matter for the sake of this example.

This is of course not optimum for Azir, no matter how you slice it, BECAUSE of the way his kit is designed.

With no soldiers on the field you can ONLY place a soldier or use his ultimate. Both of these are still at rank 1.

YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE LEVEL 6

Even after you place a soldier the only difference between level 6 Azir and level 10 Azir at this point is the base damage that his soldiers deal on attack which is a difference of 12 damage.

You absolutely must use your Q or your E in order to make up for this difference.

How is that not ridiculous to anyone else?

8 Comments

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

They designed him specifically to play without his q and E. If he had passives and stuff they'd have to remove a lot of his power. At that point he'd be an actual marksman instead of the minion mancer he is

Elite4Runner1 votes

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They designed him specifically to play without his q and E. If he had passives and stuff they'd have to remove a lot of his power. At that point he'd be an actual marksman instead of the minion mancer he is

I don't see how he is designed to be played without his Q and E. AD or on-hit Azir are troll builds. Using only his W may work for clearing minions, but if you try trading with enemies without Q they will just walk out of range. E is mostly used for his Shurima Shuffle (so he's still using his Q), escapes, or engages to set up his ultimate. Without these he deals absolutely no damage. I absolutely understand why being a minion mancer is the core intention of his kit, but ultimately he IS a marksman. Not being able to actually play AS a marksman just seems really awkward to me.

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

He's not. He's a mage. A burst mage or a battle mage. His marksman potential refers to his high attack speed and range allowing sustained ranged damage while being highly mobile. That's why when you build attack speed or on-hit you miss out on damage. Q and E are actually purely for repositioning. Yes you can use them for killing but then you lose your movement speed debuff that helps aid your escape and the shield which was intended as a reward for being a little more aggressive or as a backup plan when running away. Movement speed AP and health make for an okay combination. Just make sure you get cool down reduction. If you position your soldiers properly you can funnel your enemies and deal plenty of damage without your Q and E. Try rylias (for the AP and hp not the slow) liandrys (for the hp and AP and penetration not the on hit effect) and cool down boots. Finish with some ap/armor/magic resist/cooldown reduction. Those soldiers will do a LOT more damage when you can ignore your enemies magic resist and actually take a hit or two.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

So let me get this straight: you want to add more stuff to guy who's kit already has almost everything you could want?

Elite4Runner1 votes

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So let me get this straight: you want to add more stuff to guy who's kit already has almost everything you could want?

He doesn't have everything I could want. I explained exactly why he feels awkward without Sand Soldiers. I would be all for taking debuffs to his existing abilites. They are already talking about reworking him anyways. In fact, they have mentioned decreasing his Q range and making him into more of a battle mage. He is going to need a less offensive and more defensive kit if they do that. This may be one direction they could go.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

He deserves every single nerf he gets... it's dugsting to get killed from mid lane while you're under tower in like 3-4 hits...

FloRaider421 votes

I don't get the point of having a passive, which only works when soldiers aren't around, on a champion which is all about having soldiers around. He is the Emporer and leaves everything to his soldiers, giving him tankyness or damage on normal AA would honestly feel out of place.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Please see my addition to the original post.

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