@Riot, about Sion

Hoi Im Temmo·Aug 3, 2014·1 votes·1,172 views

(Apparently this goes here on the threads.) Riot, do you have ANY information about his rework? After being announced something like 11 months ago (and we were indeed warned that it would be a long wait) we have heard almost nothing T_T Surely we can hear about where he sits, changes, thoughts, etc about him at this point?

(So everyone is aware of how far back we are talking, when we say 11 months, this is towards the end of Season 3, between releases of Lucian and Jinx. Yes, it was really that long ago.)

The minimum I am hoping to hear is a goal (not a promise) of the general time (soon/end of season/preseason/etc.) for when Sion will be up on the PBE.

As far as the thread goes, post ANYTHING you can find on the rework (rumors, etc.) preferably with links. Then we can discuss :D

23 Comments

DrogunSkllCrushrAug 9, 20142 votes

Got to talk to morello at pax east for a minute and he said all they were keeping was his shield and his health stacking although he did say no more ap sion so the shield will have to be in some other form

Hoi Im TemmoAug 9, 20141 votes

NICE. YOU SIR, ARE AWESOME. I would guess it scales on armor or health.... no word on when though?

DrogunSkllCrushrAug 9, 20141 votes

No especially then, pax east was a while ago my guess is whatever patch drops right after worlds which is in October. So it would fall right around Halloween which might have been on purpose. Also in a post just about reworks in general morello said that new champs and reworks take between 2 to 7 months depending on complexity more like 7 for new champs and full reworks so since i believe they had a setback and restarted the whole thing in march or thereabouts October would fit that timeline. To answer your next question i've been reading into EVERY post even ones unrelated to sion to try and piece together any idea on when hes coming out lol # Sion obsessed

Hoi Im TemmoAug 9, 20141 votes

I know how you feel T-T Sion is in my top 3 favorite champs.

Anyway - I just realised. That means he is losing his ult, doesn't it?

DrogunSkllCrushrAug 9, 20141 votes

Yeah I believe so but you could never get much use out of it anyway since people could just walk away from you. I hope when they say "juggernaut" they mean he has some irelia like built in tenacity so you can just wade through cc. That would be fun.

Hoi Im TemmoAug 9, 20141 votes

Generally, not many people run from frozen mallet, BotRK, and ghost.

DrogunSkllCrushrAug 9, 20141 votes

Lol truth

Tapu FiniAug 3, 20141 votes

I would really like to see them communicate with us about where they're taking Sion. Lack of communication has botched several reworks before, most notably Karma and more recently Sona, and I'd hate to see Sion take the same trip.

I may not feel for Sion like I did for Karma, but I know there are those that do, and I don't want to see that happen to any more champs.

Hoi Im TemmoAug 3, 20141 votes

What we know (at least that I know of):

AP Sion is GONE. Riot hates it, and so does everyone who doesn't play it. He is intended to maintain both health scaling, and life-steal focus. The stun is gone, the shield is probably gone.

aaand that it.

Tapu FiniAug 3, 20141 votes

It does seem like they dislike it when champions burst out of their intended role (top/mid lulu/soraka, AP trynd) and won't hesitate to break them...

In regards to his (and tryndamere's) lore and intended role, I can see why they don't want to cater toward the AP builds. Barbarians wielding huge blades and dual-headed axes in full mage attire doesn't make much sense. All things considered, attempting to pop a shield before someone stuns and explodes on you doesn't really constitute healthy counterplay...

I just hope they keep at least one of his playstyles in existence, while making his kit less... Confused.

Hyrum GraffAug 3, 20141 votes

Riot doesn't hate when champs break out of their intended role, as far as I know. Remember Vi? She was designed to be a top laner. What they do hate is when a champ becomes oppressive in a role (whether or not they were designed for that role). Like, Lee is currently oppressive in the jungle, so he's on their hit list; Lulu is oppressive in solo lanes, just like Soraka was.

When they're releasing a champ, they try not to make the champ oppressive (ie, make it so the champ has counterplay). However, they're usually primarily considering the role that the champ is designed for, not the other ones, so when a champ is oppressive, it's often because of something riot didn't think about in another lane.

Hoi Im TemmoAug 3, 20141 votes

It's not as much about the champ breaking their role, as it is about wanting to maintain counter play. Often, alternate than intended builds lead to this. Example: AP SIon isn't a mage. He is a high focus nuke with literally zero way to avoid it. You get in stun range, and get burst. period.

Tapu FiniAug 3, 20141 votes

I don't mean what lane they wind up in, I'm talking about, for example, Vi. Pretend for a second she had been viable as a mage, completely forgoing her nature as an AD bruiser in favor of an unhealthy play pattern that abused her AP ratios. That's what I mean. (Not to say she is viable as a mage, just an example)

Hyrum GraffAug 4, 20141 votes

Fair enough.

I guess with that example, I see why there is a problem, emphasis mine:

an **unhealthy play pattern **that abused her AP ratios.

If there were a *healthy *play pattern that used her AP ratios, I don't think Riot would have an issue with it.

Tapu FiniAug 4, 20141 votes

Sion is one of the champions dating back to the period they made most abilities scale on AP, even if they were intended to be bruisers, or adcs. (erm tristana.) They weren't considering at the time people would abuse the ap ratios, just that any ap he built on bruisers items (sheen/trinity) would provide a good effect.

At least that's what I imagine happened, can't really do more than guess their original thought process.

Hyrum GraffAug 4, 20141 votes

Yeah. Some of me wishes that they still did this more - It's fun having an off-build (though often in order for the AP ratio to feel good on that champ when they build AD, it makes the champ unhealthy when build AP.

I'd still like to see off-builds like that supported, but in a healthier way (probably, an AP and AD ratio on the abilities).

Solari EclipseAug 4, 20141 votes

If AP Sion isn't a thing as the OP suggests, then I'd have faith in Riot to create a cohesive zombie kit for what would probably be an AD Fighter. They kept mostly to playstyles like with Karma and Trundle. I haven't played Sion in probably... 2 years or more. I literally can't remember what AD Sion is like. I imagine whenever Rito gets on with Sion it won't be extremely removed from where he is now. Just healthier... Except for the undead part. They better keep that.

Hoi Im TemmoAug 5, 20141 votes

Well, the thing is: Sion and Urgot are not really intended to reflect "Undead" per se - rather, they are more like Frankenstein (for those of you who have seen me talk about this before, yeah, I am at it again)

Sion isn't as much a zombie, eating people, making more, etc. He is a corpse reanimated via technology.

Solari EclipseAug 5, 20141 votes

How about.... "Artificial zombie?"

Hoi Im TemmoAug 5, 20141 votes

Wouldn't that be Frankenstein?

Butt CwackAug 5, 20141 votes

I always AD sion... It made me feel special... if they make AP not work then the few sions will have to AD

Saint Tyrone Aug 12, 20141 votes

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Hoi Im TemmoAug 12, 20141 votes

Sorry - but I didn't read it. There are a LOT of cool ideas for the rework floating around - but at this point, Riot likely knows what they are going to do. It coding and balancing now. So, a Sion rework idea is as useful as a sona rework idea - because no matter how good it is, appropriate it is, balanced, interesting, or even better than what we have - it won't happen(at least any time in the next season). May as well make a new champion instead. Not looking down on the idea or annoyed you posted it - someone else may see it, like it, etc. - but my intention from this thread is to collect together the information we have on what to expect from the rework and when it will happen.