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[Passive Rework Concept] Viktor, the Machine Harold

SSmotzer··2 votes·1,691 views

Passive - Heart of the Machine: Viktor starts the game with a Prototype Hexcore in his Trinket slot. Buying a Trinket will augment the Hexcore to gain the effect of the chosen Trinket. Viktor can also spend gold to upgrade the Prototype Hexcore, gaining an Evolution point and bonus ability power with each upgrade to the Hexcore. The Hexcore can be upgraded 3 times. The Hexcore can be upgraded an additional time if Viktor kills an enemy Skarner.

  • Glorious Evolution: Whenever Viktor spends an Evolution Point, he can target an allied minion, or an allied champion with his next basic attack. If Viktor has Smite as a summoner spell, Smite will temporarily be replaced by Submit after spending an Evolution point. Targeting an allied champion will Augment them with adaptive force while they are near Viktor. If an allied Augmented champion dies near Viktor they will become a pet to Viktor, until they respawn. Targeting minions will Augment them and turn them into permanent pets to Viktor, they gain adaptive force and will resurrect after several seconds when they are killed, or instantly at the fountain. Casting Submit on a non-epic jungle monster will cause them to become Augmented, causing them to become a temporary pet to Viktor when they are killed by Viktor. Rekilling an already Augmented jungle camp will resummon the pet. If Viktor has a pet, Smite can be recasted to control them directly.

Q - Unchanged

  • Glorious Evolution: Viktor's pets gain bonus attack range with their next basic attack after Viktor casts his Augmented Siphon Power.

W - Unchanged

  • Glorious Evolution: Viktor's pets leap to targets stunned by Augmented Gravity Field.

E - Unchanged

  • Glorious Evolution: Viktor's fires additional Death Rays from his pets, at the target location which deal 50% damage, after Viktor casts his Augmented Death Ray.

R - Unchanged

  • Glorious Evolution: Viktor's pets's basic attacks deal bonus magic damage which bounces to 5 targets.

12 Comments

enshine1 votes

"HAROLD" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

SSmotzer1 votes

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"HAROLD" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Nah, a "herald" is a preacher, or someone with a message. A "harold" is a leader with power. See, I gave him an army with his passive, and because of that, I saw it fit to make a slight change to his title...

But yes, this is also Harold. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/848/178/9f9.png

7thHeaven1 votes

No trinket ? LMAO

SSmotzer1 votes

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No trinket ? LMAO

No, he gets to change the hexcore to have the effects of trinkets.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

I like the idea to change his hextech core into a trinket instead of an item in an item slot, since this allows him to get an additional item. Viktor is supposed to be a late game champion and this would allow him insane scaling.

But I disagree with the idea to give him pets. Viktor shouldn't be a champion with a pet mechanic. You try to make him a mage version of Yorick here....

SSmotzer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=FuNTAuyP,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-09T11:24:45.941+0000)

I like the idea to change his hextech core into a trinket instead of an item in an item slot, since this allows him to get an additional item. Viktor is supposed to be a late game champion and this would allow him insane scaling.

But I disagree with the idea to give him pets. Viktor shouldn't be a champion with a pet mechanic. You try to make him a mage version of Yorick here....

But in his lore Viktor spends all his time making "pets"... Turning anyone who crosses his path into a cyborg. That's like his whole thing. I just thought that that aspect of his lore should be explored, and since Viktor is basically a stat stick champion, I thought decreasing his damage and moving it to minions was the best way to do that.

And with him being able to Augment allies and jungle monsters, he is able to be more than just an immobile burst mid laner. Now he can be a poke support that can maintain lane pressure even if his marksman dies, or a jungler who can bring some serious health and bodies into a fight.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

He is not making "pets", since he doesn't see himself as the master of these cyborgs.

He grants you augmentation, if you wish to accept on your own will, because he wants humanity to improve. He dislikes the Glorious Evolved, who are basically worshipping him as a god, since that is not what his Glorious Evolution is about. He doesn't want to become a god or leader, he just wants to help people with his own methods.

Augmenting allies could be something to explore for his gameplay, but it shouldn't be in form of pets. Something like a stat increasing aura for his allies, for example, would represent his whole "augmenting people" theme without going back to the old misunderstanding that he wants to enslave people (he really doesn't).

SSmotzer1 votes

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He is not making "pets", since he doesn't see himself as the master of these cyborgs.

He grants you augmentation, if you wish to accept on your own will, because he wants humanity to improve. He dislikes the Glorious Evolved, who are basically worshipping him as a god, since that is not what his Glorious Evolution is about. He doesn't want to become a god or leader, he just wants to help people with his own methods.

Augmenting allies could be something to explore for his gameplay, but it shouldn't be in form of pets. Something like a stat increasing aura for his allies, for example, would represent his whole "augmenting people" theme without going back to the old misunderstanding that he wants to enslave people (he really doesn't).

Oh, I'm not saying he will be running around yelling for people become robots. It's all about delivery. I mean, given different animations and voice lines Ivern's passive can seem evil. If that were the case I would make him target enemy minions and champions, but he is targeting allies, and what he sees as mindless animals.

Like when an ally dies he wouldn't say things like,_ "your soul is mine!"_ he would be more like, "yes, embrace the machines, become perfect," or something like, "I will fix you."

Beside, there isn't much difference between being enslaved and joining an emotionless mechanical hive mind, at least on a practical level.

Now Battlecast Viktor, he would run around yelling at people to become robots.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

But your idea is to make these allied chamions pets, something that he controls and who do the dirty work for him. Even if his voice lines say something like you give as examples here, it still comes off as "I am the genius master and you all are there to serve me". And that is simply not Viktor personality-wise.

Sorry, but I still think Viktor should never become a pet champion. Improving allies with auras or stuff like that, I can see this. But pets are a no-go.

SSmotzer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=FuNTAuyP,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-09T12:42:04.424+0000)

But your idea is to make these allied chamions pets, something that he controls and who do the dirty work for him. Even if his voice lines say something like you give as examples here, it still comes off as "I am the genius master and you all are there to serve me". And that is simply not Viktor personality-wise.

Sorry, but I still think Viktor should never become a pet champion. Improving allies with auras or stuff like that, I can see this. But pets are a no-go.

"Pet" is just the technical term used by Riot for summonable allies. Like Tibbers is a pet, Shaco's and Wukong's doubles are a pets, Daisy is a pet, and I don't hear you complaining that Ivern is bending a sentinel's will to do his bidding.

Again, if Ivern created pentagrams beneath jungle creatures and spoke backwards when he makes them disappear, that wouldn't look like a good thing. it is all about optics my dude.

But Viktor still is not the good guy here, even now his motto is "liberate yourself from flesh and emotion."

Instead, he intensified his efforts to find ways in which humanity could be shepherded beyond their emotional weaknesses and brought into a new, more reasoned stage of their evolution. Such research sometimes transgresses the boundaries of what would be considered ethical in Piltover (and Zaun) but they are all necessary steps in bringing about Viktor's Glorious Evolution.

Viktor says animal testing is a-okay, so why can't he augment the wolves?

2G TRUCBIZZARD1 votes

Hi summoner !

When i clicked on your post, I was wondering how you could change Viktor's passive without modifying the whole champion by adding a new mechanic. The answer is: you actually did modify him, and a lot ! So my first advice would be to change your title, since you're changing the whole champion by changing passive ^^

So when I understood you were basically changing everything on the champion, I first didn't like the idea. But I forced myself to read your post, because it could still be interesting. And I was right to do so, cuz your ideas are insanely good !

First thing i really enjoyed: swapping the Hextech Core into a "trinket" position. I really dislike the actual passive, since you are basically forced to build your Hextech Core on Viktor (which therefore is going against alternative builds). The fact you are putting it on your trinket slot makes it better, to my point of view. Just a small question, why do you hate Skarner so much so that your naughty Viktor gets more power by killing a nice gem-ish big scorpion ? What did this nice arthropod do to you :(

I really like the idea of getting a pet when you upgrade your Hextech Core, I agree when you say it is in Viktor's lore. But on the other hand, you will probably force people to rush for their upgraded Hextech Core, sonce it'll give you ap and a new pet each time you up it. I'd have prefered some other idea of creating pets (when allied minions die, they could momentarily turn into cyborg-minions, with really high damamges but easy to kill, it could give you a huge split-push, but might look like Yorick). And I am definitely a big fan of your idea of "submitting" jungle camps (so keeping the idea of the modification of your smite, but maybe like this: when your upgrade your Hextech Core, your Smite is changed to Submit. Submit acts exactly like a Smite, but when the camp dies, instead of disappearing it follows you as a pet. It'd give you the opportunity to change your pets: early you'd maybe prefer raptors with you, but when the game is 40 linutes long you'd probably prefer another camp, since every champion with a small AoE can one shot all your raptors).

About your evolutions, I like Q and E, but W looks like Yorick's E but It's slower. And R is making me believe you want Volibear in your team ^^

SSmotzer1 votes

{quoted}

When i clicked on your post, I was wondering how you could change Viktor's passive without modifying the whole champion by adding a new mechanic. The answer is: you actually did modify him, and a lot ! So my first advice would be to change your title, since you're changing the whole champion by changing passive ^^

So when I understood you were basically changing everything on the champion, I first didn't like the idea. But I forced myself to read your post, because it could still be interesting. And I was right to do so, cuz your ideas are insanely good !

Yeah, I try.

First thing i really enjoyed: swapping the Hextech Core into a "trinket" position. I really dislike the actual passive, since you are basically forced to build your Hextech Core on Viktor (which therefore is going against alternative builds). The fact you are putting it on your trinket slot makes it better, to my point of view. Just a small question, why do you hate Skarner so much so that your naughty Viktor gets more power by killing a nice gem-ish big scorpion ? What did this nice arthropod do to you :(

Oh, no, in the lore Viktor wanted to replace the fuel cell in his Hexcore with a piece of the living crystals found in Shurima that once made up Skarner's race. Viktor in the lore would cream his proverbial mechanical jeans if he knew Skarner existed.

_Viktor demanded Jayce hand over the source of this power, a pulsing crystal from the Shuriman desert. But his former colleague refused, leaving Viktor no option but to take it by force. _

I really like the idea of getting a pet when you upgrade your Hextech Core, I agree when you say it is in Viktor's lore. But on the other hand, you will probably force people to rush for their upgraded Hextech Core, sonce it'll give you ap and a new pet each time you up it. I'd have prefered some other idea of creating pets (when allied minions die, they could momentarily turn into cyborg-minions, with really high damamges but easy to kill, it could give you a huge split-push, but might look like Yorick). And I am definitely a big fan of your idea of "submitting" jungle camps (so keeping the idea of the modification of your smite, but maybe like this: when your upgrade your Hextech Core, your Smite is changed to Submit. Submit acts exactly like a Smite, but when the camp dies, instead of disappearing it follows you as a pet. It'd give you the opportunity to change your pets: early you'd maybe prefer raptors with you, but when the game is 40 linutes long you'd probably prefer another camp, since every champion with a small AoE can one shot all your raptors).

That's more or less what I was going for. I probably could have worded it better. This is my first pass at re-imagining Viktor as a pragmatic unifying cyborg as oppose to a techno dictator. I should try and think of less.... evil basic abilities if I take a second pass, probably just build a new kit around the idea of having cyborg followers.

About your evolutions, I like Q and E, but W looks like Yorick's E but It's slower. And R is making me believe you want Volibear in your team ^^

Well I didn't want him outshining Yorick when it comes to throwing dudes around, and I just assumed Voli is getting a new ultimate at the end of the year, so I figured I would just give the minions Statikk Shiv while the Hexcore is doin' it's thing.

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