A 1350RP Kayle Skin - Succubus Theme [Demon Angel]

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http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141125024717/castleage/images/7/7d/Monster_succubus_desire_large.jpg (not my art work!)

Hi, I noticed that Kayle has A LOT of heavenly looking angel skins and well… It would be real nice to have something that’s the opposite. (Just like Ex: Brand, Shyvana, Zyra, Etc)

Most of Kayle’s skins are legacy and it sucks that the only cool one is her legendary. It would be nice to have a new skin for kayle like the Demon Vi skin. I would love to see this skin theme to be like the picture you see above, where Kayle has horns on her head rather than a helmet. Also a REALLY cool sword that’s colored black with ruby gems on it. Kayle’s wings would look bat like and her armor WILL OBVIOUSLY NOT BE AS REVEALING AS THE PICTURE ABOVE. But you catch my drift in this hopefully.

It’s basically like saying this Skin is a Rebel version of Kayle. Like an angel turning into a demon. Please people and Riot... Succubus Kayle will be the most fearsome yet sexy skin she’s ever had since her Legendary. It's boring to see the same thing over again where Kayle is always fully armored, it's time for her to have something different.

Isn't Making A Succubus Skin Going Too Far For Kayle? Of course not! as stated by many people below this thread, there's champions that have expressed their sexuality. It's not wrong to express your sex appeal. A skin is a skin. It has no effect to the champion's lore or the champion itself. This is by any means a skin that players can enjoy staring at and playing like how people enjoy playing Battle Bunny Riven. It's not wrong to show a little this and that for ONCE. Do not bound women what they can't do just because of the style they were first made. I believe in movies such as Xena and Wonder Woman express Sexy and Justice. Kayle can be the same way for ONCE.

A message for Riot skin team!

Hey guys, I noticed that some of you enjoy reading wordly concept ideas on how a skin will look and how it’s animation would be. I’m no expert nor am I the best but I’m trying here for the sake of Kayle having something flashy.

How Would Kayle Look?

The big argument here is that Kayle is just like Leona when it comes to armor. They both are fully armored and show no sex appeal. There will be a debate about whether Kayle should or should not show skin but lets face it, there’s already skins such as Battle Bunny Riven that makes $$$$ AND players ENJOY having something rebelish.

Here’s a picture of what part of “skin” Kayle could reveal when it comes to her armor.

http://i.imgur.com/TFnLWAH.jpg (not my art work!)

Or she can express cleavage, like Shyvana’s ice drake mixed with stomach skin. It all depends what skin combinations you can make that shows a Succubus touch.

What’s the theme color?

Honestly It depends on her hair color. Platinum or blonde will do. The rest will be black and ruby.

What’s her recall animation?

I want to see Kayle fly around so picturing her flying in a circle with a demonic chair rising from the ground would be nice. At the end she will sit on the chair with her legs crossed. This truly gives a succubus touch

Ultimate Skin?

Honestly I feel like it can be the most amazing ultimate skin but I really can't come up ideas on how it would look as an ultimate skin lol.

76 Comments

poopta28 votes

I think you just want something to fap to

Sulghunter10 votes

Ahri Caitlyn Elise Janna MissFortune Sona Vi

A Good Meme7 votes

that elise fap tho

RottedApples6 votes

who cares if she kills those she has sex with. it was worth.

ArticFever4 votes

Only species of spiders where the female is much larger than the male do that and Elise is smaller than a lot of guy champions

RottedApples4 votes

guy champions =/= spiders

we haven't seen a male spider champion. we can't make this assumption.

ArticFever2 votes

Well unless you want Elise in her spider form.

RottedApples4 votes

maybe i do want to bang a spider ( ͠° ͜ʖ ͡°)

ArticFever2 votes

Well if she eats you its not my fault for not knowing her quirks in spider form.

Vistha Kai1 votes

You must be one of those leg men, eh? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

BattleBalladeer2 votes

This is not entirely true. Sometimes the males are and the females dgaf. Prime example. Spider females are mean.

And Elise would be larger than most the nerd summoners in the non-cannon League and IRL. Especially in spider forme.

Miku Append1 votes

RekSai

BastionKross8 votes

Morgana Damn it! She even looks better than me as a fallen angel! Morgana ...Time to bake all the cupcakes...

ShatteredSkys4 votes

i think this fits Morganna better. You know with the whole fallen angel thing.

SithesisLord4 votes

To be fair, Demon Vi and Cosmic Reaver Kassadin aren´t exactly something that fits their theme.

If Riot intends on making more Harrowing skins, or just more skins in general, the whole reverse theme is nice and something people want to see more.

Reverse Annie for one. Reverse Kayle, as depicted above. Reverse Morgana. Kinda like her exiled skin, but with normal ears and big, majestic wings. Reverse Leona Reverse Diana

And many others i could say. (Reverse(Whitewash) Ekko for one :^) )

Alpharite3 votes

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i think this fits Morganna better. You know with the whole fallen angel thing.

That's the point, she already is a fallen angel but Kayle is not.

EyebrowsJ1 votes

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i think this fits Morganna better. You know with the whole fallen angel thing.

Thats what I thought at first. But this is about a rogue skin. Like Demon Vi to Vi. Or Sinful succulence Morgana to Morgana.

kile1474 votes

As long as they handled it well this could be a cool idea. Kayle is one of the few practically clothed females in the game and keeping with that for her at least would be nice.

yay nibbers3 votes

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http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141125024717/castleage/images/7/7d/Monster_succubus_desire_large.jpg

Her wings to be bat like and her armor WILL OBVIOUSLY NOT BE AS REVEALING AS THE PICTURE ABOVE. But you catch my drift in this hopefully.

I think it looks fine ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Enchanté2 votes

It's like saying that Lissandra should have a fire themed skin and Brand should have an ice themed skin

lololololol EDIT : thanks for the downvotes guys!

Trylobyte21 votes

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It's like saying that Lissandra should have a fire themed skin and Brand should have an ice themed skin

lololololol

Brand does have an ice-themed skin.

I like this idea, so long as, like the OP indicates, she continues her trend of conservative dress. It's possible to be sexy without showing off a lot of skin, right Leona?

Enchanté2 votes

he does? are you reffering to that new spirit fire or his other blue skin? or which one is it?

agreed tho, a lot of people out there actually buys skins only for the boobz and azz

StigtriX9 votes

Cryocore Brand is based on Dr. Freeze from the DC universe ;)

yay nibbers2 votes

That'd kind of defeat the whole succubus theme. OP meant "less revealing" not "COVER IT UP."

RottedApples3 votes

he was referring to poolparty leona. sexy without being revealing. your argument is invalid.

yay nibbers2 votes

My point is succubi and other similar demons tend to dress in ways that are revealing, to emphasize their primal and forbidden nature. Being conservative isn't really what demons are about.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

I want this.

She would probably have a bit more conservative armor, but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for this.

Havenscythe2 votes

For years everyone has asked for a "less armored" Kayle skin. And for years they have been denied.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

Demon Vi was such a nice balance and fit her perfectly. Notice how they kept her strong physique, didn't go overboard with the clothing, and didn't try to put her in a delicate seductive pose. She's a tough demonic girl. That would have been a huge mistake if they did the opposite.

I think Fallen Kayle is a nice idea, but she's obviously going to need to be wearing her signature heavy armor.

Succubus Kayle would be a mistake. Those are demons that appear in the dreams of men to seduce them, and not exactly the message you want to send to people that already think League goes overboard with their female skins. That's pretty trashy too IMO, and Kayle is one of the shining examples that the LoL designers aren't trying to make female skin content always so sexual. It's fine for champions that are overtly seductive like Ahri, but diversity is something we should embrace because we hardly get enough of it.

There's moving slightly from a champions original idea, and then erasing their identity entirely for sexual purposes. Ice Brand is a different story.

yay nibbers4 votes

The amazing thing about skins is...

wait for it...

THEY CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT. They don't have to conform to the character's fantasy or whatever because they're for fun and such. Take a loot at Surprise Party Fiddlesticks for example. Not to mention we get way more non-sexyfemale skins than we do sexy skins. We have yet to get a single bikini skin despite having more than one set of pool party skin release. Even Miss Fortune's latest skin is covered up, and she's supposed to be that sexy champion. We get plenty of "diversity," I think it time for real diversity. Let Kayle (and other champs) be sexy!

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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The amazing thing about skins is...

wait for it...

THEY CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT. They don't have to conform to the character's fantasy or whatever because they're for fun and such. Take a loot at Surprise Party Fiddlesticks for example. Not to mention we get way more non-sexyfemale skins than we do sexy skins. We have yet to get a single bikini skin despite having more than one set of pool party skin release. Even Miss Fortune's latest skin is covered up, and she's supposed to be that sexy champion. We get plenty of "diversity," I think it time for real diversity. Let Kayle (and other champs) be sexy!

You're missing the point entirely

Let's skip over the part where you think Captain Miss Fortune is conservatively dressed, I mean really? That bar you set is almost as low as her top, which again is fine for Miss Fortune. Let's also not dwell on the fact that you're complaining the one adult female champion in the Pool Party Skins isn't wearing a full two piece bikini. Pool Party Leona is something you could picture Leona wearing by the pool side. It's unfortunate that you think that needs to be a must for female champions though.

I don't think you should be slapping revealing skins on champions simply because there are a few guys here who enjoy that. Someone mentioned that you just want something to fap to, and I'm kind of getting that idea. Succubus Kayle is a pretty unfortunate idea when you think it over. Kayle is an empowering warrior character that happens to be female. Her sex was never stressed. Sadly that's an amazing accomplishment in these types of environments. Why make her a skin centered around men? It's not right.

Making female champions run around the rift in skimpy outfits is not diverse at all.

Ahri Akali Diana Elise Evelynn Irelia Janna Katarina Leblanc MissFortune Fiora Morgana Riven Sona Zyra

Let's compare that to how many male champions have revealing or compromising skins. Even in the Pool Party skins you were so disappointed in Draven, who is wearing fitted swim trunks instead of a speedo, pairs it with a life jacket.

These champions come to mind off the top of my head that have outfits (base skin or otherwise) that are skin tight, revealing, and show much more cleavage than average. Basically skins that make people shout empowering comments like, "Dat Azz." Even plants and spiders need to be sexual in this game. Leave Kayle alone.

For some of those champions it's exactly how they're portrayed in their lore. They are very showy or seductive, others not so much. And you'll notice that the champions that are showy or seductive do not have many conservative skins, if any at all. Which is fine. Nobody is out there pushing for Hazmat Evelynn, and I'm sure if they were it would have the word "Sexy" in it. Creating revealing and skimpy outfits for female champions that are normally conservatively dressed is not diverse, it's the opposite. Things like Brand's ice skin, which is a nod to Mr. Freeze, are not fair comparisons to what you're trying to push on us with Kayle. You're taking away an important principle of a character to satisfy sexual desire.

Fallen Kayle is a great idea, a Kayle that's only purpose is to seduce men in their dreams, not so much.

yay nibbers1 votes

Get ready for a wall of text, this one was a doosey to write. SKIP TO THE BOTTOM FOR A TL;DR AND REALLY THE MAIN POINT OF AL THIS


First of all, lets address the words you put in my mouth. I was not trying to set some bar with my Captain Fortune example, I was pointing out that the iconic sexy League of Legends champion's latest skin is among many other recent skins and champions that are covered up, no matter how low her top apparently is (oooh, cleavage, how horrifiying!). When it comes to the Pool Party skins, where did I even mention Leona? When did I say she must be in a bikini? I think she looks great in her outfit, I'dve expected her to wear a sun hat (heh) but I suppose that's what the parasol is for. I don't expect Lulu or Rek'Sai (who you seem to have forgotten when you say Leona is the only adult female) to wear bikinis, that'd just look silly. My point there is the Pool Party line of skins is exactly where you'd expect a two-piece bikini Miss Fortune or something, and yet there are no such skins. There are no beach volleyball Ahris or sun-bathing Katarinas. Despite Riot's supposed tendency toward sexual skins, the most obvious skin line for it lacks such a skin completely after two sets of them have been released. Anyone who thinks "League goes overboard with their female skins" clearly hasn't been playing for several years. Side note: Draven does in fact wear a speedo for his Pool Party skin, something you clearly only looked at once. The life vest is just because it's funny.


Now, you say I missed your point but it seems you're really the one dodging mine, so let me rephrase: Who the hell cares what skins they give her? She's the most powerful angel of a race dedicated to destroying evil wherever it lurks. Pretty generic if you ask me, but awesome nonetheless. So here's the real clincher, if she's made to look like a succubus, not actually made into one, what does that change about her? It changes her looks. Does it somehow change her lore? No. Does it somehow make her less powerful? No. Does it somehow make her worth less? Absolutely not. You say her ambiguous design makes her special, but does it really? Maybe in the early years when being an armored up female was a unique trait, but even then you had Poppy. Times have changed, and all it really does now, much like before, is make people who don't know better think she's a man because that's what the majority of people default to when refering to anything. This somehow makes her better than she already is? It's empowering to have people just assume you're a man? The fact that she's one of the most powerful beings in the lore isn't enough, she has to be covered head to toe in armor for all that to be valid? What is the purpose of denying Kayle her womanhood? Is it really empowering to women to repress the fact that they are women? That is truly absurd. You are not doing anything for any group you belong to if nobody knows you're part of that group.

On a related note, what exactly is wrong with sexuality? What exactly is wrong with making sexual and sexy characters? Sexy characters are inherently more pleasing to look at than ugly characters. That's a fact. Why not make characters that are both attractive and have interesting lore? That's not to say ugly characters are worse than attractive characters, being ugly can itself be an interesting trait. That's beside the point though (though I'm sure it's a statement that will be used against me). You can have characters that are cool and interesting and powerful without stressing their sex and still make them sexy or attractive. What makes a good character good in the end is their personality and story, things that looking good don't detract from. So why exactly is it so important what a character looks like? Why can't they be strong and attractive? Why does making something look sexy suddenly make them worth less as a character as you imply? Giving Kayle an entirely optional visual imagining doesn't take away her ult which bestows invulnerability, or her power to shred through even the bulkiest of opponents like paper, or her powerful heal that also boosts speed. You know, the things that actually define her as a character and champion in the League of Legends. Making her look like a succubus doesn't make her less powerful, it only makes her look like an actual woman (as opposed to a suit of armor). If anything, it's more empowering to make her a woman confident in her sexuality, repressing it does the opposite.

Now let's take a look at the 'diversity' issue. The Oxford Dictionary defines the word 'diverse' as such: "Showing a great deal of variety; very different." Much different that how you interpret it, in which you seem to imply my definition of 'diversity' is some sort of oppression. In any case, by definition, sexy female champs and skins are indeed 'diversity' at this point. Especially when a champion who normally is not expressed sexually is given a sexy/sexual skin. The only way you can get more different is to make them a man, or another creature entirely (neither of which really make sense, though genderswap skins would be pretty cool)

When it comes to champions, sexy is definitely something we don't really see anymore. In the last three years (2013, 2014, and 2015 thus far), three of the 18 champions released are what most might consider sexy by usual standards. Lissandra (very subjective) Yasuo Braum Two males and a single female, and Liss is a real stretch. As far as the other females go: Lamb is a sheep, Rek'Sai is so inhuman you can't even tell she's a female without being told she's a female, Kalista is a spooky emaciated ghost, Jinx is a spooky emaciated ghost, and Quinn is completely covered up. Three years and 18 champions and only one female that's particularly attractice (though I personally think Quinn is pretty cute). You mean to tell me that one or two female champions that are attractive in the last three years (they're even covered up!) somehow makes skimpy and sexy a majority?

And your cherry picking, it needs a bit of work dude. Of 38 (I think, might've miscounted), and of them you've listed 15. Of those 15, several of them are more than appropriately dressed in their base skins, and even when it comes to skins they have one or two each at most that are actually designed to be explicitly sexual. Of the champions you listed, I'll give you Ahri, Elise, Evelynn, Katarina, LeBlanc, Miss Fortune, and Zyra. They are all indeed sexy for sexy's sake and there's nothing wrong with that. But actually, I'm going take away Zyra because she is a plant inhabiting a human's body. She probably doesn't even care to wear clothes. Really, you're lucky she covers up as much as she does with her leaves.

As far as skins for the other champions listed go, how many skins do they really have that's sexual? Akali has a nurse skin, Diana has ????, Irelia shows cleavage in a skin or two (oh no, not the C word!), Janna's skins actually cover her up compared to her default, Fiora has a Halloween costume, Morgana also shows cleavage (crazy that women have breasts, right?), Riven has a community inspired joke skin, and Sona has her Muse skin I suppose (cleavage strikes again!) All of these champions have several skins, and most of their skins are perfectly 'fine' and non-sexual (as if sexy isn't okay). To reiterate, they each have at most two skins that are especially sexualized. Your cherry picked list is only half effective at proving your already flawed point. My favorite member of your list is Sona, who's long, beautiful dress is hides everything save for a bit of cleavage (her breasts are quite large, even among the likes of Miss Fortune). What I think is neat about her though, is she doesn't show a lot of skin but is still an attractive woman, not to mention interesting. A mute and a musical prodigy with a magical instrument that can either end or save your life with a single pluck of its strings. Arguably one of the most interesting characters in the game and of her era, and yet she's still attractive. Crazy, right?


Lots of shit I wrote there. Am I still missing the point? In any case, there's one more point I'd like to make.

Things like Brand's ice skin, which is a nod to Dr. Freeze, are not fair comparisons to what you're trying to push on us with Kayle. You're taking away an important principle of a character to satisfy sexual desire.

This is absolutely a fair comparison. Both are characters visually imagined differently. In fact, Brand's ice skin, takes away his defining feature (FIRE) and replaces it with its opposite (ICE). How is that not exactly what you claim we would be doing to Kayle if we gave her a succubus skin?




HERE'S THE TL;DR FOR YOU AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DIDN'T WANT TO READ THIS ENORMOUS WALL OF TEXT

Fallen Kayle is a great idea, a Kayle that's only purpose is to seduce men in their dreams, not so much.

That's not what is happening. Giving her a succubus skin doesn't suddenly make her a succubus, just makes her look like one. Her sexual ambiguousness still exists in her other skins. Skins are entirely optional, so who cares what they look like?

Baby Ghoul1 votes

Nobody says cleavage is horrifying. I specifically said that's fine for Miss Fortune. That's how she is. I was really surprised that you tried to say that she was conservatively dressed. I don't even think she is that covered up compared to her other skins. That's not covered up. Because she isn't wearing short shorts, a tight fitting dress, and a lower top you think that's covered up? It's not. It's how you would expect her to dress. God forbid she's not showing more skin for you!

Were you talking about Reksai or something when you mentioned the pool party skins? Leona is the only adult human shaped female in that skin set. There are no other adult human females in that bunch. I'm aware of Lulu and Reksai being female. They don't fit the criteria of what you are trying to objectify, Leona does. My point was that Leona is a great example. She's not a champion that runs around in light armor, tons of cleavage, with short skirts. So why in the world would she be wearing a two piece skimpy bikini?

Ahri had two skins this year. Challenger Ahri's bust line isn't low enough for you I guess if MF makes you think she's leaving way too much to the imagination, but it is pretty tight. Is our favorite spider Blood Moon Elise not sexual enough for you? Does it need more skin shown? How would you propose shrinking Headhunter Akali's outfit? Can we make Warring Kingdoms Nidalee have a lower cut top? What about the most high quality ultimate skin in the game, DJ Sona? Are not enough people commenting on her rear and tight catsuit? Same with Project Fiora, a skin I love by the way. I don't know what the bar is for you because you're acting like League of Legends shys away from making female champions wear little clothing or skin tight clothing when that's far from the case. There isn't a Kitty Katarina or Battle Bunny Riven this year, but give me a break!

Supposed tendancy. That's kind of a laugh. Are you trying to insinuate that there are more champions that tend to be dressed conservatively, and when I mean that, I'm not talking Captain Miss Fortune who apparently is all bundled up. I'm talking the signature Kayle style conservatively dressed. She's aloud to look like a warrior like the male champions are. That's special.

Kayle players care, and people who care about how female champions are represented in this game. A title of a skin means a lot. Do you know what a Sucuubus is? Why would you make a powerful female warrior centered around a man? What kind of message is that sending? It's just not a cute look. It does make her special. She's known for having heavy armor, and her face is usually covered. That's pretty special in this game, and as someone else pointed out, in a lot of games actually. Why are you trying to take that away to please yourself? You keep mentioning Poppy or other champions that are female, but are not adult human shaped females. Nobody is denying Kayle her womanhood. That is actually sexist. From that remark you're making it seem like the only way a champion can be womanly is if she presents her breasts to you. Why aren't you holding male champions to that same standard? Do you know how gross that comes across? I hope that was just poorly worded. Further more in other skins she has breasts plates, as silly as it is, she has them. So yeah, even knuckle draggers can look at her and see she has breasts. She even has skins that show her face, which clearly shows she's a woman. Don't act like you're going to be doing anyone a favor except yourself by making her wear skimpy clothes.

We all know what the word diverse means, even when you try to tip toe around the fact that few to no female champions that sport seductive skins are stepping into Kayle type outfits. You're cherry picking actually, go back and read what I said. I'll bold it for you. I said base skins and otherwise, meaning their base skin might be appropriate for battle enviroments, but they have a skin that is pretty revealing in their line. Zyra is a plant woman, and all of her outfits are revealing. The Nurse Akali skin is actually not too bad, her base skin is very revelaing. Her skirt's slit goes all the way up to her hip. Surely even you consider past the mid thigh less than conservative? Diana has Valkyrie skin. It shows her cleavage considerably, and her mid section and thighs. Now I'm really going to have to knock points off you for missing the Irelia skin. Have you not heard the famous remarks about Frostblade Irelia's rear? Tsk Tsk! Morgana shows more than cleavage, and that's a lot of cleavage. Battle Bunny Riven still counts. Janna...how did you miss that one? However that is your one example I will give you of a champion that is usually wearing less getting a skin that is more conservatively dressed.

My point of listing all of them was that you seem to claim that few female champions that don't show all their skin rarely get skins that reveal their bodies more to the players. Clearly that's false. Less clothes doesn't always have to mean sexual, but past a certain point it is ridiculous, and when you add posing/style into the mix the intention is normally clear.

You're missing the point again.** Taking a powerful female champion that is traditionally suited up and making her into something that is created specifically for the male gaze is a very sad thing to do**.** Sucuubus are demons that seduce men. I don't think you're fully realizing what that means. You don't need to lose your clothes to be a demon, just like you don't need to be fully covered to look angelic. You also certainly don't need to revolve around men to be a female demon.**

It's not a fair comparison because Crycrore Brand was a nod to a comic book character. There are no skins that are used specifically to show Brand in a sexual light which is what you want from Kayle. There in lies the difference. Do you see now?

People are mentioning that the picture looks like Morgana, and that got me thinking. Morgana wouldn't suddenly be wearing a white robe covering her entire body just because she got an angelic skin. You would feel just as passionately about covering her up for an angelic skin? Because I'm sure it's been proposed a bunch on here. I wouldn't find it believable, and I wouldn't buy something for a champion that I love if they completely changed her personality and things that made me like her in the first place, and that goes deeper than just fire to ice.

Again I would like to point to Demonic Vi. Perfect execution of a skin. They didn't need to put her in a delicate pose, or strip her naked to get the Demonic vibe across. She's in a sports bra, with her big gloves on getting ready to punch in the splash. It also does not try to accentuate her breasts or rear. You could do a similar thing for Fallen or Demonic Kayle. It's a thin line to walk, but Riot has clearly shown with Demonic Vi and Shyvana that they are capable of making demonic female warriors look fearsome first and foremost, as they should be. A Succubus only means one thing guys.

PMGTV1 votes

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Nobody says cleavage is horrifying. I specifically said that's fine for Miss Fortune. That's how she is. I was really surprised that you tried to say that she was conservatively dressed. I don't even think she is that covered up compared to her other skins. That's not covered up. Because she isn't wearing short shorts, a tight fitting dress, and a lower top you think that's covered up? It's not. It's how you would expect her to dress. God forbid she's not showing more skin for you!

Were you talking about Reksai or something when you mentioned the pool party skins? Leona is the only adult human shaped female in that skin set. There are no other adult human females in that bunch. I'm aware of Lulu and Reksai being female. They don't fit the criteria of what you are trying to objectify, Leona does. My point was that Leona is a great example. She's not a champion that runs around in light armor, tons of cleavage, with short skirts. So why in the world would she be wearing a two piece skimpy bikini?

Ahri had two skins this year. Challenger Ahri's bust line isn't low enough for you I guess if MF makes you think she's leaving way too much to the imagination, but it is pretty tight. Is our favorite spider Blood Moon Elise not sexual enough for you? Does it need more skin shown? How would you propose shrinking Headhunter Akali's outfit? Can we make Warring Kingdoms Nidalee have a lower cut top? What about the most high quality ultimate skin in the game, DJ Sona? Are not enough people commenting on her rear and tight catsuit? Same with Project Fiora, a skin I love by the way. I don't know what the bar is for you because you're acting like League of Legends shys away from making female champions wear little clothing or skin tight clothing when that's far from the case. There isn't a Kitty Katarina or Battle Bunny Riven this year, but give me a break!

Supposed tendancy. That's kind of a laugh. Are you trying to insinuate that there are more champions that tend to be dressed conservatively, and when I mean that, I'm not talking Captain Miss Fortune who apparently is all bundled up. I'm talking the signature Kayle style conservatively dressed. She's aloud to look like a warrior like the male champions are. That's special.

Kayle players care, and people who care about how female champions are represented in this game. A title of a skin means a lot. Do you know what a Sucuubus is? Why would you make a powerful female warrior centered around a man? What kind of message is that sending? It's just not a cute look. It does make her special. She's known for having heavy armor, and her face is usually covered. That's pretty special in this game, and as someone else pointed out, in a lot of games actually. Why are you trying to take that away to please yourself? You keep mentioning Poppy or other champions that are female, but are not adult human shaped females. Nobody is denying Kayle her womanhood. That is actually sexist. From that remark you're making it seem like the only way a champion can be womanly is if she presents her breasts to you. Why aren't you holding male champions to that same standard? Do you know how gross that comes across? I hope that was just poorly worded. Further more in other skins she has breasts plates, as silly as it is, she has them. So yeah, even knuckle draggers can look at her and see she has breasts. She even has skins that show her face, which clearly shows she's a woman. Don't act like you're going to be doing anyone a favor except yourself by making her wear skimpy clothes.

We all know what the word diverse means, even when you try to tip toe around the fact that few to no female champions that sport seductive skins are stepping into Kayle type outfits. You're cherry picking actually, go back and read what I said. I'll bold it for you. I said base skins and otherwise, meaning their base skin might be appropriate for battle enviroments, but they have a skin that is pretty revealing in their line. Zyra is a plant woman, and all of her outfits are revealing. The Nurse Akali skin is actually not too bad, her base skin is very revelaing. Her skirt's slit goes all the way up to her hip. Surely even you consider past the mid thigh less than conservative? Diana has Valkyrie skin. It shows her cleavage considerably, and her mid section and thighs. Now I'm really going to have to knock points off you for missing the Irelia skin. Have you not heard the famous remarks about Frostblade Irelia's rear? Tsk Tsk! Morgana shows more than cleavage, and that's a lot of cleavage. Battle Bunny Riven still counts. Janna...how did you miss that one? However that is your one example I will give you of a champion that is usually wearing less getting a skin that is more conservatively dressed.

My point of listing all of them was that you seem to claim that few female champions that don't show all their skin rarely get skins that reveal their bodies more to the players. Clearly that's false. Less clothes doesn't always have to mean sexual, but past a certain point it is ridiculous, and when you add posing/style into the mix the intention is normally clear.

You're missing the point again.** Taking a powerful female champion that is traditionally suited up and making her into something that is created specifically for the male gaze is a very sad thing to do**.** Sucuubus are demons that seduce men. I don't think you're fully realizing what that means. You don't need to lose your clothes to be a demon, just like you don't need to be fully covered to look angelic. You also certainly don't need to revolve around men to be a female demon.**

It's not a fair comparison because Crycrore Brand was a nod to a comic book character. There are no skins that are used specifically to show Brand in a sexual light which is what you want from Kayle. There in lies the difference. Do you see now?

People are mentioning that the picture looks like Morgana, and that got me thinking. Morgana wouldn't suddenly be wearing a white robe covering her entire body just because she got an angelic skin. You would feel just as passionately about covering her up for an angelic skin? Because I'm sure it's been proposed a bunch on here. I wouldn't find it believable, and I wouldn't buy something for a champion that I love if they completely changed her personality and things that made me like her in the first place, and that goes deeper than just fire to ice.

Again I would like to point to Demonic Vi. Perfect execution of a skin. They didn't need to put her in a delicate pose, or strip her naked to get the Demonic vibe across. She's in a sports bra, with her big gloves on getting ready to punch in the splash. It also does not try to accentuate her breasts or rear. You could do a similar thing for Fallen or Demonic Kayle. It's a thin line to walk, but Riot has clearly shown with Demonic Vi and Shyvana that they are capable of making demonic female warriors look fearsome first and foremost, as they should be. A Succubus only means one thing guys.

.....ANYONE HERE GOING TO READ THIS?! FK NO!

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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.....ANYONE HERE GOING TO READ THIS?! FK NO!

Your ability to read is nobodies business but your own.

Let's not advertise it.

yay nibbers2 votes

I'm not saying all female characters should get half naked and shake their tits around to show their womanhood or anything like that. That would be just a tad silly. My point regarding Kayle and her armor is that, by definition, dressing ambiguously hides your gender. That's it. I don't have an issue with that if that's what someone wants to do, my issue is why force someone to keep dressing like that just because that's how they normally dress? You're the only one trying to dictate how a character should dress. That's the real issue here. You purport to be for diversity and such but then at the same time tell me optional skins for a character that are completely optional (did I mention that) and meant to be a fun new way to look at a character should only follow the same general design and idea of the base character. If we did that, we would not have awesome skins like Aether Wing Kayle, Omega Squad Teemo, Gentleman Cho'Gath, any of the Academy skins, any of the Battlecast skins, Heartseeker Varus, Dragonslayer Braum, Nunu Bot, or really any of the coolest skins. The fun of skins is imagining a character differently. That is the entire point. To say a skin would somehow devalue or demean a character just because they dress differently than usual is absurd. Censoring a skin skin (heh) for a character that doesn't usually dress like that serves no purpose other than to deny people who would enjoy such a skin the fun of having such a skin.

One more thing, regarding covering Morgana up. It's been done already! Victorious Morgana, a very cool skin and last season's ranked reward, is covered up (cleavage too!). She's even wearing armor! Isn't that crazy?

Anyway, that's all I have to say on the subject. If you still think forcing a character to be the same all the time because skin is offensive or whatever your issue with this is, that's your problem. If you want to shove more words in my mouth and call me gross or sexist or whatever, I don't care because I know better. Have fun never having fun :)

Baby Ghoul1 votes

You're not liberating a character by showing their breasts. I don't know what makes you think that. In your effort to turn the tables earlier you made it seem like there was a shortage of skimpy outfits in League of Legends, or champions that are hyper sexualized. I proved to you that there is clearly not, even this year. Your statements were false. Sexualizing champions is nothing new to League. So if you really want something new, you wouldn't be pushing for this. Your motives are clear.

You can see in her artwork that Kayle is a woman. I pointed out that you can see she's a woman by her breast plates, and her face. You're claiming that Kayle is being denied her womanhood, how so? I would really like to know what else you meant by that. Don't back peddle now.

You're certainly not making her more diverse by making her a demon that is used to seduce men. All of those skins you mentioned do not take away anything that makes those characters special. It's a costume. They certainly aren't used as a device to please a male audience, and that's why they're such beloved skins. There's imagining a character in a different outfit or putting them in a different setting, and then there's erasing them entirely for sexual purposes. That's not right. So many people admire Kayle because she's a no nonsense warrior. Creating a creeper skin for Kayle would be a poor choice.

Also good job! We found two! High five! Covered up doesn't automatically mean you're pure, just as less clothes doesn't automatically make you sexual. I pointed to Shyvana, Demonic Vi, and Lissandra because they are great examples of champions that show skin, but are still fearsome warriors first. Their armor or clothes does not cover up much, actually sometimes it shows a bit more, but the how they're posed, the title of the skin, and how they're treated in the artwork in general project the image of a tough warrior. It's a nice balance. Making Kayle look like she's ready to pose for Victoria Secret isn't special. There's a difference between cosmetic changes, and completing erasing a character. You would be doing the latter.

I agree we do need a new Kayle skin, but why are you so interested in making her a hyper sexual skin titled Succubus Kayle? If Kayle was a demon, I don't think she would be any less fearsome than she is now. She certainly wouldn't center herself around a man. There's no shortage of sexual champions in League of Legends.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

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You're not liberating a character by showing their breasts. I don't know what makes you think that. In your effort to turn the tables earlier you made it seem like there was a shortage of skimpy outfits in League of Legends, or champions that are hyper sexualized. I proved to you that there is clearly not, even this year. Your statements were false. Sexualizing champions is nothing new to League. So if you really want something new, you wouldn't be pushing for this. Your motives are clear.

You can see in her artwork that Kayle is a woman. I pointed out that you can see she's a woman by her breast plates, and her face. You're claiming that Kayle is being denied her womanhood, how so? I would really like to know what else you meant by that. Don't back peddle now.

You're certainly not making her more diverse by making her a demon that is used to seduce men. All of those skins you mentioned do not take away anything that makes those characters special. It's a costume. They certainly aren't used as a device to please a male audience, and that's why they're such beloved skins. There's imagining a character in a different outfit or putting them in a different setting, and then there's erasing them entirely for sexual purposes. That's not right. So many people admire Kayle because she's a no nonsense warrior. Creating a creeper skin for Kayle would be a poor choice.

Also good job! We found two! High five! Covered up doesn't automatically mean you're pure, just as less clothes doesn't automatically make you sexual. I pointed to Shyvana, Demonic Vi, and Lissandra because they are great examples of champions that show skin, but are still fearsome warriors first. Their armor or clothes does not cover up much, actually sometimes it shows a bit more, but the how they're posed, the title of the skin, and how they're treated in the artwork in general project the image of a tough warrior. It's a nice balance. Making Kayle look like she's ready to pose for Victoria Secret isn't special. There's a difference between cosmetic changes, and completing erasing a character. You would be doing the latter.

I agree we do need a new Kayle skin, but why are you so interested in making her a hyper sexual skin titled Succubus Kayle? If Kayle was a demon, I don't think she would be any less fearsome than she is now. She certainly wouldn't center herself around a man.

I added succubus because it's a mixture of BOTH demon angel and succubus. Yes they are the same thing that's under the word Demon but they both dress and look differently. A demon angel is what Morgana is. Demon angels are feathered and express more of an opposite version of an Angel. But a Succubus is different, they are Satanic wise and their wings are bat like, they dress very exquisite and have a naughty lore behind.

I didn't want people to think just a Succubus Kayle. No. I want people to think a mixture of both a Demon Angel and a Succubus. Where Kayle isn't expressing TOO MUCH like a normal succubus would.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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I added succubus because it's a mixture of BOTH demon angel and succubus. Yes they are the same thing that's under the word Demon but they both dress and look differently. A demon angel is what Morgana is. Demon angels are feathered and express more of an opposite version of an Angel. But a Succubus is different, they are Satanic wise and their wings are bat like, they dress very exquisite and have a naughty lore behind.

I didn't want people to think just a Succubus Kayle. No. I want people to think a mixture of both a Demon Angel and a Succubus. Where Kayle isn't expressing TOO MUCH like a normal succubus would.

The area where you and Ron Pitts differ is that he wants the skin to be almost exactly like the title image. Just add a sword I guess. He said he doesn't want to change it up too much in this thread. I see in your recent edits, and in your original post, that you wouldn't want the skin to be exactly like the title image. Just an inspiration.

I can also be lead to believe by what he said that he doesn't mind it being called Succubus Kayle. I do for obvious reasons. I don't think a Kayle that is a little more showy or conceited would be a bad thing, think along the lines of Fiora. Very proud. Turning her into Evelynn like status just doesn't sound like a good idea to me though.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

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The area where you and Ron Pitts differ is that he wants the skin to be almost exactly like the title image. Just add a sword I guess. He said he doesn't want to change it up too much in this thread. I see in your recent edits, and in your original post, that you wouldn't want the skin to be exactly like the title image. Just an inspiration.

I can also be lead to believe by what he said that he doesn't mind it being called Succubus Kayle. I do for obvious reasons. I don't think a Kayle that is a little more showy or conceited would be a bad thing, think along the lines of Fiora. Very proud. Turning her into Evelynn like status just doesn't sound like a good idea to me though.

I just don't want Kayle's sexuality be expressed too much to the point of it being compared to Evelynn. I find a woman who wears heavy armor with an open stomach and tucked up cleavage to be very sexy XD It's exactly like Ice Drake Shyvana but I think Kayle's breast size are a little more bigger haha.

Spizzle90001 votes

The thing that I noticed most was in bold. So, you don't need to be fully covered to look angelic? Uhhhh. Angels are all about virtue. Modesty is a virtue. Lust is a sin. Angels don't like sins. So angels probably aren't going to be wearing skimpy outfits. Demons can wear whatever they want, but angels aren't nearly that free. They have a strict moral code.

This is not sl*t-shaming by any means, I just mean that angels would be not wearing sexy clothing. Maybe elegant, but not immodest or anything. Angels are beautiful, not sexy. Ergo an angelic skin or champion with skimpy clothes would make absolutely no sense.

Just because you're wearing less clothes doesn't mean you're dressing sexually, but angels also value practicality and aren't vain. Cause they're perfect and stuff. So yeah.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

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The thing that I noticed most was in bold. So, you don't need to be fully covered to look angelic? Uhhhh. Angels are all about virtue. Modesty is a virtue. Lust is a sin. Angels don't like sins. So angels probably aren't going to be wearing skimpy outfits. Demons can wear whatever they want, but angels aren't nearly that free. They have a strict moral code.

This is not sl*t-shaming by any means, I just mean that angels would be not wearing sexy clothing. Maybe elegant, but not immodest or anything. Angels are beautiful, not sexy. Ergo an angelic skin or champion with skimpy clothes would make absolutely no sense.

Just because you're wearing less clothes doesn't mean you're dressing sexually, but angels also value practicality and aren't vain. Cause they're perfect and stuff. So yeah.

Yea that's true but Kayle isn't JUST an angel she's a Heroic Angel that is REALLY into justice. So in this case, I wanted Kayle to have a skin where she's the opposite of Justice and the opposite of herself. A Kayle that turns into an outcast or rebel. I believe most people here want to see Kayle show something for once.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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The thing that I noticed most was in bold. So, you don't need to be fully covered to look angelic? Uhhhh. Angels are all about virtue. Modesty is a virtue. Lust is a sin. Angels don't like sins. So angels probably aren't going to be wearing skimpy outfits. Demons can wear whatever they want, but angels aren't nearly that free. They have a strict moral code.

This is not sl*t-shaming by any means, I just mean that angels would be not wearing sexy clothing. Maybe elegant, but not immodest or anything. Angels are beautiful, not sexy. Ergo an angelic skin or champion with skimpy clothes would make absolutely no sense.

Just because you're wearing less clothes doesn't mean you're dressing sexually, but angels also value practicality and aren't vain. Cause they're perfect and stuff. So yeah.

You're right. I just don't picture Angelic Morgana as covered up in a white robe. Morgana has a conservativish skin that Ron found when he was frantically searching to find an example.

I picture her maybe a little more like that. I never said that she needs to be wearing clothing like her base skin, but I just don't picture a Morgana skin in a long white robe. You can be showing skin, but not be sexualized. There's a difference, and there are great examples of this being pulled off.

Succubus Kayle is specifically sexualizing her. They are demons that stalk and seduce men. There's really no tap dancing around that. Of all the great demonic inspirations out there we could use...

Spizzle90002 votes

Exactly. I feel like you said, something more like Shyvana or Demon Vi would work out better.

Ginjor2 votes

I'm not here to pick sides, just ask a question. You mention people thinking Riot goes overboard on sexy female skins, but I ask you this. Have you ever even played Smite? hot damn

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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I'm not here to pick sides, just ask a question. You mention people thinking Riot goes overboard on sexy female skins, but I ask you this. Have you ever even played Smite? hot damn

I have, and thank you for reminding how uncommon it is to have female champions like Kayle. Why ruin that and make her into a sexual demon that revolves around and stalks men. It's not in good taste. Demonic Kayle and Fallen Kayle would be great ideas though.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

Some of you are saying this might fit for Morgana better but remember that Morgana doesn't fly. And she wears a dress in ALL of her skins. Kayle on the other hand, she flys and has that chance of being a rebel. Honestly if they made an Ultimate skin for Kayle out of this Idea it could be the most amazing Skin ever done.

I'm tired of seeing Kayle having the same style where she's either with or without a helmet and fully armored. Like literally you don't see any skin at all.

I want to see devilish horns! I want to see a ruby colored aura! I want to see Kayle be a rebel for once!

PMGTV2 votes

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Some of you are saying this might fit for Morgana better but remember that Morgana doesn't fly. And she wears a dress in ALL of her skins. Kayle on the other hand, she flys and has that chance of being a rebel. Honestly if they made an Ultimate skin for Kayle out of this Idea it could be the most amazing Skin ever done.

I'm tired of seeing Kayle having the same style where she's either with or without a helmet and fully armored. Like literally you don't see any skin at all.

I want to see devilish horns! I want to see a ruby colored aura! I want to see Kayle be a rebel for once!

I'm with you but keep in mind morg may not fly but she still does have wings XD. I too agree with you to have this as kayle though due to spicing her up a bit and i love your art work if this is indeed yours,

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