I want to apologize to all Support Mains out there

4NoxiousHours·Jan 15, 2016·182 votes·7,757 views

Mid laners are abusing your Support item for self benefit and Riot is taking notice about it so they are gutting it patch by patch. Sorry :x

186 Comments

shyvJan 15, 2016100 votes

apology not accepted mid laners need to stop getting all my shit nerfed lmao

TimewinderJan 15, 201611 votes

as a mid stop taking my mid laners and putting them as supports

The Yetii RiderJan 16, 201648 votes

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as a mid stop taking my mid laners and putting them as supports

Only reason we had to do that was because you kept taking our supports mid and got them all nerfed. Mids have higher base stats (hugely important against Leona/Thresh/Blitz) and higher AP ratios (do more damage with less gold).

If Riot didn't nerf every support we wouldn't need to fill the gap with mages.

Titanium70Jan 16, 20167 votes

Nah guess we're even - you guys keep ruining our Champs and we ruin your Items. :)

(refering to Zyra although and Annie are in spotlight as well. and hey Veigar was ruined after Koreans used him as Supp, too!)

MetalGearTeemuJan 16, 201629 votes

Viegar Support committed the unholy sin of shutting down lee sin and zed LC$ big plays.

he needed to die.

Power CosmicJan 16, 20161 votes

Veigar could hardly do anything to Lee Sin or Zed. Zed can shadow through stun, and Lee can Q or W through it as well.

The GovernerJan 16, 20164 votes

Veigar's E doesn't stop blinks but it stops dashes, so Lee Sin is stunned if he dashes through Veigar's stun cage with his Q or W, while Zed remains intact because his W (and returning R) is a blink, not dash.

ChaoticPineconeJan 16, 201624 votes

Because Karma Lulu Soraka Alistar Zilean all got nerfed after they saw play Top/Mid

Sona PingJan 16, 201630 votes

Well, that is what happens when a company classifies new, effective strategies as "abuse" if they weren't the ones to think of it.

KaiokoJan 15, 201640 votes

I want to apologize to all the supports mains out there in bronze and maybe even silver... I never realized how tough you guys actually had it.

affectionedJan 15, 20164 votes

Even if we end up losing, I try to teach my ADC something new every game :)) They might not be the best ADC out there but atleast you can try to help them become better, even if they're mehh :))

KaiokoJan 16, 20164 votes

True but a support's strength is magnified based on the team's average strength. I never believed in ELO hell until I actually saw it lol.

KnoyleJan 16, 20169 votes

There's nothing more satisfying than seeing your Friendly ADC get fed and your Toxic ADC get rekt constantly. I'm not saying I let them die but 9/10 times if they are really toxic they suck and die anyway.

spawnman62Jan 16, 20164 votes

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I want to apologize to all the supports mains out there in bronze and maybe even silver... I never realized how tough you guys actually had it.

Its much better now. Before in S5 it was rough. Now it's almost like anyone is afraid to say anything.

SatiricalJackJan 16, 20167 votes

Well at least I'm no longer just the team's "ward bitch" (yes I've actually had that thrown at me) items like Sightstone made supporting easier(and gave me a love for even the worst jungle lee sin who grabbed one), totems and limits even more so as now I'm not also trying to keep wards (everywhere) on map. Before whenever I'd play Soraka I'd just realistically be a walking heath and mana factory for my team, which was fine, but now with the newer changes I can do that, and provide a lot more.

So yes. it has gotten better... Doesn't mean I like seeing a morgana or lux in lane still, doesn't mean I want to absolutely kill all of the people who bring down a brand or Vel'koz. You know what though? midlaners have these nice items we can pick up now that can completely change the way the game goes... so don't apologize to the supports now, just recognize we're half of your bot lane, we make it so that Vayne can carry, so that Varus can snipe off the enemy assassin before he's a threat. (and yes, we silence that pesky Illaoi)

insaiyanbaccaJan 15, 201632 votes

this is why supports/junglers cant have nice things, other laners somehow find a way to abuse it.

LankPantsJan 16, 20163 votes

this is why supports/junglers cant have nice things, other laners somehow find a way to abuse it.

To be fair a big part of the problem is that mage items suck donkey balls right now. I'm fairly sure that if every mage item didn't cost more than an Infinity Edge mages probably wouldn't feel the need to rush gold generation.

Kal Vas FlamJan 16, 201620 votes

_"We can give it another passive that reduces gold gained from minions, this would make it useless for anyone but supports." _

"Ok"

"Or we can just start nerfing the piss out of it and make it bad for everyone."

"Would the second option nerf supports?"

_"Yes." _

"Ok, do the second option."

_"If you say so." _

"Yeah, fuck supports, why do we even have them?"

SevixysJan 16, 20162 votes

We can give it another passive that reduces gold gained from minions, this would make it useless for anyone but supports.

Awesome idea, rito pls

manbearswineJan 16, 20163 votes

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Awesome idea, rito pls

It was up on pbe long ago,then they reverted it and decided to gut the item instead.

alfavhunterJan 15, 201618 votes

What in irritated about if mid laners takin my spot as support yet if a support goes mid or top they get gutted (Janna, lulu, pre rework soraka, sona, exc)

Blue Moon WolfJan 16, 20162 votes

you should see what they are doing to Soraka next patch. I don't even know what is going on there:

**Starcall (Q) **

No longer does increased damage to enemies standing in center.
Now slows everyone hit rather than just those standing in center
Slow decreased to 30% at all ranks from 30/35/40/45/50%.
Impact size reduced to 235 from 265
[ADDED effect] "If at least one champion is damaged by Starcall, Soraka recovers up to 50/70/90/110/130 (+.8 AP) health (based on her missing health)"
[Note: This was previously on the W - same min/max values for self heal.] [Minimum heal is 25/35/45/55/65 + (.4 AP)] [Note: Still heals for each champion hit!]

apparently all the buffs it's getting are not in yet, but just from this alone I can't tell if this is a buff, nerf or just redistributing her power :L

KaisadiIIaJan 16, 20163 votes

I think it's neither. They reduce the AoE size of the spell, but the whole spell will act like the center-spot of the current one. Also, it moves your self-healing from W to Q, which means you have to choose to either heal an ally (max W) or poke and heal yourself (max Q).

I wouldn't say "buff or nerf", I think they just redistributed her power in a way where you have to choose what you want to do at a given moment (have an unkillable carry or poke hard and get a lot of sustain).

ZephyrDrakeJan 16, 20163 votes

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you should see what they are doing to Soraka next patch. I don't even know what is going on there:

**Starcall (Q) **

No longer does increased damage to enemies standing in center.

Now slows everyone hit rather than just those standing in center

Slow decreased to 30% at all ranks from 30/35/40/45/50%.

Impact size reduced to 235 from 265

[ADDED effect] "If at least one champion is damaged by Starcall, Soraka recovers up to 50/70/90/110/130 (+.8 AP) health (based on her missing health)"

[Note: This was previously on the W - same min/max values for self heal.] [Minimum heal is 25/35/45/55/65 + (.4 AP)] [Note: Still heals for each champion hit!]

apparently all the buffs it's getting are not in yet, but just from this alone I can't tell if this is a buff, nerf or just redistributing her power :L

depends on what you max first in lane. If you max W then this is a huge nerf since you aren't healing yourself as much but if you max Q first you are getting your self heal maxed a lot sooner. The rest is just ok, the slow being decreased is a pain but you had to hit right in the center for it to be of use now you just have to hit your Q. The extra damage lost is not that big of a thing since you don't pick Soraka for her damage, kinda weird she isn't getting an AP ratio boost though. The main thing i would look out for is how much the radius decrease is going to affect the skill. It's not being reduced by that much but it can make the skill just feel worthless to use if it's too much

FistOfSharkieshaJan 16, 201613 votes

Ezreal ruins every jungle item and mid laners ruin every support item.

Sailor MintJan 15, 20169 votes

Six seasons with tons of changes.

Shurelya's somehow always ends up being the best support item.

CoolKnightSTJan 16, 20169 votes

They should just make item 3174 & item 3165 more attractive. It's not Frost Queen that is OP. It's their itematisation that is just lackluster.

Come on why they just not release Lost Chapter with item 3114 + item 1052 as recipe and be done with it:

+ Lost Chapter + = ITEM A (80 Ability Power, 100% Base Mana Regen)
+ Lost Chapter + = ITEM B (80 Ability Power, 100% Base Mana Regen)
+ Lost Chapter + = ITEM C (80 Ability Power, 100% Base Mana Regen)
+ Lost Chapter + = ITEM D (60 Ability Power, 30% Attack Speed, 100% Base Mana Regen)
+ Lost Chapter + = ITEM E (60 Ability Power, 25 Magic Resist, 100% Base Mana Regen)

morris1Jan 16, 20167 votes

And Ezreal was part of this again. Ugh..

Itadaki SeiekiJan 15, 20165 votes

I pretty much don't care.

I play Bard, my damage is already stupid as is. xD

Malicious MetalJan 15, 20168 votes

My Brother mains Bard so I've seen things I'd rather not even think about TwT

Old Man TeetoJan 16, 20165 votes

Knees wobbling, I lift myself up from where I rest, joints cracking. My humble walking stick feels heavy in my hands as I support my weight pulling myself to standing height. My eyes drift upwards, I catch my breathe to hack a cough clearing my throat.

"These builds are green and lush, full of gold and items on which you choose to build." Exhaling slowly, I look up at the Fist bump in the sky. "I remember, when Items were a privilege, when philosopher's stone was your savings account, heart of gold was your mortgage, and you would give it all, but for a spot of light in the dark." Learning forward, my eyelids shut slowly.

"I can still see the light."

CatastropJan 16, 20164 votes

Even as a midlaner myself, I'd love to see this item not EVER appear in the midlane. It's infuriating when someone like Lux . Bitch spams laugh and acts like landing her skillshots actually require skill once the enemy is slowed for 40%.

PledgieJan 16, 20164 votes

If they add the passive back where if you kill a minion it disables the extra damage from spelltheifs i think it would be taken out of mid lane

AuroramancerJan 16, 20164 votes

Bring back Twin Shadows. Give Frost Queen's the aoe skillshot slow

BladeSteelJan 15, 20163 votes

I'm Fine with that. Im kind of tired of feeling like I have to take it, even when I'm playing someone who I can't poke well with. With those I'd rather have the ancient coin line, get some movespeed and not have to poke to get gold. (just protect the adc) I'm glad its getting nerfed so that I don't have to feel this way any longer that i "Need" this item on any support that isn't a tank.

JorenciceJan 15, 20162 votes

I get 2k plus gold with the coin. Don't underestimate it.

The DeckownerJan 16, 20163 votes

those games where enemy top mid and sup built fqc.... #2spooky4me

KrinuJan 16, 20162 votes

Battle of the spoopyghosts.

Bulimia VomitJan 16, 20163 votes

I play support and jungle..I have no nice things :C

FastAsHeckJan 16, 20163 votes

As a jungler, I just want to say one thing to ezreal mains: I hate you.

InvestaJan 16, 20163 votes

Can't we all just get along? Mid lane champions can go lots of places just like a lot of support champions. If things get nerfed, oh well, we'll adapt. I'd rather have a large character pool to play with than some overpowered item.

Fat Bastard GODJan 15, 20162 votes

Add the frostfang/spellthief passive where if you kill a minion the gold from harass is no longer granted

Reaper SorakaJan 15, 20161 votes

It still has a combination of active-slow, AP, and high mana regen that mids will trade morellos in for I think.

Mids are losing 30 AP, 10%cdr and the healing-reduction passive on Morellos for 50% more mana regen, gold generation and an active slow to escape or catch enemies. maybe if the healing reduction passive were more like Executioner's, where it didn't require the enemy to be under 40% to activate...

EndlessIsolationJan 16, 20162 votes

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It still has a combination of active-slow, AP, and high mana regen that mids will trade morellos in for I think.

Mids are losing 30 AP, 10%cdr and the healing-reduction passive on Morellos for 50% more mana regen, gold generation and an active slow to escape or catch enemies. maybe if the healing reduction passive were more like Executioner's, where it didn't require the enemy to be under 40% to activate...

except morello's is rarely ever picked for the grievous wounds. And with the changes in preseason to how healing reduction works (IE: only self heals) it's not gonna change... Hell they could take the healing reduction of it and it wouldn't change a thing.

ErockandrollJan 15, 20165 votes

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Just remove the gold passive gain and I doubt mids would buy it. Right?

I would honestly hate that as a support main. Nothing says FCK supports, better than telling them to stay supports.

And honestly, if the problems is with MId laners abusing the hell out of the active, the GP10 wouldn't change a thing about that. Not to mention that it's Mana regen is still comparable to the other Regen items. Perhaps those other regen items could take a look at. I know a lot of people have been complaining about their itemization.

PykelJan 16, 20162 votes

for once its a laner abusing a support item and not a jungle item.

LenaroJan 16, 20162 votes

It really doesn't seem that hard a problem to address. The easiest solution I can think of off the top of my head is to only unlock heightened stat increases after a certain amount of gold has been generated with the passive (not GP10) component of the support item in question. You could buy a Frost Queen's and get the active component and improved passives, but won't get the full stat weight until a certain amount of gold has been earned from the Tribute passive. This change coupled with last hits disrupting the passive will immediately make the fully upgraded Frost Queen's not worth the investment to an average mid without disrupting support access to the item.

Darth WestJan 16, 20162 votes

Just going to say right now, I never took advantage of this item although it was beneficial. I always used Doran's Ring instead. item 1056

I'm sorry for all the supports out there that have to suffer such a change, you guys don't deserve it. Though I barely play support, I know that this is pretty hurtful to you all, looks like a support is literally useless now, if they can't at least get close to the other lanes items they are bound to be dead, they can't fight for their own survival. RIP most supports.

10TicklerJan 16, 20162 votes

Apology Not Accepted. Midlaners need to stop, and also need to fuck out of my position. It's not right that with the new items gold-earning potential, a Brand can do just as much damage from Support as he can from mid.